Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

[TinCow]

vote: gibson

He's been inactive for most of the game but has yet to be killed. This suggests he has an important role, and there was a detective result (is this one questionable too, JimBob/Cow?) that showed him to be mafia.

Another person who hasn't been paying attention. As I have repeatedly stated, gibson was one of the 'New' Stracchi. He was a wiseguy at the time that Northnovas was killed. He is now the only surviving Stracchi and unable to make any kills by himself. He also happens to be very busy in real life and probably isn't paying any attention to Capo anymore. He needs to be disposed of, but is not a priority IMO.

This is bizarre.

Heh, I am clearly accusing CA of being a mafia mole. My statement was just to head off the inevitable counter-argument that it could have been me who was the mole. That same thing was advanced last time this situation came up (with Louis, Husar, and I). I decided to head it off by acknowledging the argument in advance.

[Haudegen]

Crap, I was starting to like this game

Well anyway I´ll post some snippets from the Stracci hideout. Should have read it more thoroughly. I recommend it to anyone, by the way.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...38#post1834038

I would prefer it if Dutch_guy protected me, although according to my PM I can survive once without protection. A second time, I won't be so lucky.

My pm says that my partcipation at a townies protection group won't have any influence

According to my PM I can protect or kill like a normal townie, so no problems should occur there.

1. Don´s can do night actions like townies. But it´s still unclear how a vig kill affects detective results on them.

2. That bit about lucky survivals should be kept in mind too.

2. Mades (and probably Lucas too) can´t effectively protect.

[Craterus]

I'm so glad we have people like you (TinCow) to dictate the play. I'll be sure to place my vote on CountArach later...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Heh, I am clearly accusing CA of being a mafia mole. My statement was just to head off the inevitable counter-argument that it could have been me who was the mole. That same thing was advanced last time this situation came up (with Louis, Husar, and I). I decided to head it off by acknowledging the argument in advance.

Yup, your defence looking prepared makes it look like you knew the kill would fail.

I don't think we need to hang one of you two immediately. We can just lynch charge and give you guys the time to argue it out.

Hi CountArach,

Are you in a protection group tonight?

Sasaki

Yes. Why?

Who was in your group that night?

[TinCow]

Yup, your defence looking prepared makes it look like you knew the kill would fail.

I'm an attorney. It's habit to prepare for the counter-argument before it's even been made.

[Kagemusha]

Tincow. Im wondering how come every time something goes wrong you are appointing fingers to other directions? Also, if you are so visible anti mafia person, how come you havent been attacked even for once? I wonder what the rules say how Vig kill turns out if one member of the party is killed the same night?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Zitat von Omanes
According to my PM I can protect or kill like a normal townie, so no problems should occur there.

I distinctly remember Omanes saying that don's couldn't participate in protection or kill groups in the thread. So either he was lying (to protect someone?) or louis doctored the transcript.

[Crazed Rabbit]

vote: Craterus

tally:
Charge: 1 (sasaki)
Craterus: 1 (CR)

Craterus, suspected Don, with his vote for Gibson, leads one to believe he's involved with Ichigo and CA.

Exactly as a don in one of the Godfather mafia games did, he's posting early after the night summary trying to start a run on gibson.

A double lynch, though unlikely, is always good for rooting out excess mafiosos. I say we up the votes on Charge and Craterus.

Also, if you are so visible anti mafia person, how come you havent been attacked even for once?

Maybe for the same reason the white gloves of Capo I didn't attack Redleg - to cast doubt on his credibility.

CR

[Husar]

I wonder what the rules say how Vig kill turns out if one member of the party is killed the same night?

Apparently they work, can't say more or I'd break the rules.

[Drisos]

Exactly as a don in one of the Godfather mafia games did, he's posting early after the night summary trying to start a run on gibson.
CR

wouldn't he let a less important member of the family do that?

[TruePraetorian]

Craterus, suspected Don, with his vote for Gibson, leads one to believe he's involved with Ichigo and CA.

CR, i find the funny thing being that you were accused of being mafia earlier in the game..if my memory is correct.

Point being, you are posting early yourself, accusing someone else of being mafia for possibly the same reason you state they are posting early. im not accusing you, but lets try to back up accusations

As for the Ichigo attack, i dont know why TinCow chose him but it clearly points to someone hiding something. If TinCow is correct, then one of his vig group is working with Ichigo (assuming he is mafia), or was doing more "important" things.

Vote: CA

My vote is liable to change, but as it stands i have some things to do and someone in TinCow's group is guilty.

edit: grammer

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Dons can actually kill in vigilante groups while their family is still alive. They can also protect in these groups, although they have no protection value.

e.g. Don, T1 and T2 protect a player, Don is not counted as being involved so the group techincally only has two players in it.

This is Omanes' claim, I misreported it earlier. Dons can be in vig groups but not in prot groups.

Amusing.

I am sure I will be dead soon, since I doubt I can repeat my magical feat of survival

So how did you survive? I don't know of any "magical" protection, and when you say "doubt" it makes me doubt that your protection is a result of some "luck" you got as part of your red text. Also, luck isn't magical.

[TinCow]

As you well know, every person has at least one red paragraph. I have noticed trends that make me believe my red text is not unique. I believe that beefy187, taka, and Tran had the same text, and possibly others. I think explaining further would violate the rules on red text

[Sasaki Kojiro]

As you well know, every person has at least one red paragraph. I have noticed trends that make me believe my red text is not unique. I believe that beefy187, taka, and Tran had the same text, and possibly others. I think explaining further would violate the rules on red text

Of course I well know it, I addressed this in my original. Beefy said lucky, you said magical. Why?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I was contacted last night by several of the dead Mafiosi who relayed messages from their Dons. Apparently CR infiltrated the Don meetings and by using his pro-account read IP addresses of the different posters. Apparently he found one belonging to BKKB which is the largest ISP in Hordaland. It is the state owned power company and the IP would have been the backbone address. Now… I suspect that CR relayed this information to Jimbob and posed as the FBI agent.
Am I correct?
Yes CR got through the pm checks and got into the meeting hiding as a Don. Apparently he didn’t fail any of the tests showing that he had his hands on a genuine Capo II Don Role pm. He didn’t even stumble on choosing one of the 5 names.

Back to the IP thing. A lot of Norwegians use this ISP and would have the same back bone address. I suspect there are other players from my part of the world in this game?

I'd like to note that this was posted on 02-23-2008, 12:13

Now, looking over my pm's I see this:

Can you look up member IPs, and would it be alright to do so for this game?

CR

This was sent to me on 02-19-2008, 20:37

I replied and said it was ok for me to look up IP's to find double accounts because those weren't allowed under org rules. He never replied. So, why was CR asking me about IP's?

[TinCow]

Of course I well know it, I addressed this in my original. Beefy said lucky, you said magical. Why?

I like to use interesting vocabulary.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I like to use interesting vocabulary.

Ok. What's lucky about wearing an armored shirt compared to having all 4 of your attackers extremely reliable guns not fire?

[TinCow]

I think that's a question better directed at Seamus.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I think that's a question better directed at Seamus.

You're such a lawyer

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All four of the brutally simple and thoroughly reliable weapons failed to fire. The gunmen were stunned – the odds of all four weapons failing to fire defied description! Beefy began to move at last, scrambling to pull open the cellar door to the tappy and make an escape. The gunman cleared the bolts and quickly rammed fresh magazines into their weapons as Beefy opened the hatch and stepped onto the ladder to the cellar.

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Stunningly, all 4 freshly-loaded weapons jammed and failed to fire again. The gunmen were shocked with disbelief. No one could have tampered with the weapons and all of the ammo had been checked by hand and meticulously loaded into the clips – yet none of the weapons got off a round.

taka was taking his usual drive home – a well lit street that was well patrolled and therefore safe – when his car was boxed in and stopped by several vehicles. In Fatlington, safe is a relative term.

Tommy guns were coming up and starting to hose lead almost as the vehicle ground to a halt. The range was less than ten feet and there was not a chance they would miss. Police were responding in under 30 seconds, sirens blaring and several cars converging on the scene, but in that half minute more than 300 rounds had been emptied from the drum magazines of the tommy guns. The assailant’s cars sped quickly into side streets and were quickly abandoned as the gunmen clear the scene.

To everyone’s surprise, taka stepped out of the vehicle with only one wound – a gouge along one cheekbone no deeper than a bad shaving cut. He was stunned as were the police. taka had worn no armor and the car had been a stock model, yet 354 rounds had failed to take him out.

Only it wasn’t a body. TinCow had been stunned and had a shallow cut across his neck just below the adam’s apple, but most of the cut had slashed through the thick throat padding of his armor vest rather than through him. He’d only added the bulky throat-piece as an after-thought tonight – normally he went without. By all rights, he should be dead instead of having the next thing to a bad shaving cut. By the slimmest of chances, he’d survived his own death at the hands of a master assassin. He went inside for a drink…make that several.

On the other hand I think the write up actually does hold your story up after rereading it.

[Ferret]

Ok. What's lucky about wearing an armored shirt compared to having all 4 of your attackers extremely reliable guns not fire?

lmao, I love watching you argue TC, you're a darn clever guy .

vote:craterus again for now, same reason as last time.

select:TC come on he's a lawyer

[Ferret]

oops wrong quote, right one:

I like to use interesting vocabulary.

[CountArach]

Who was in your group that night?

I wasn't in a protection group that night, I just didn't trust you. I stayed at home.

Last night I was involved with the failed effort on Ichigo. I really have no evidence that TinCow was the one who failed to get his PM in - it is entirely possible it was either him or Haudegen (who may well have been killed by a rival mafia family). I received the PM from Seamus saying that the kill was a failure and could forward it to anyone who wants it. That said, it probably isn't a great deal of evidence.

I have however been perusing TinCow's posts and I have found some scummy ones:
Post 2584

I regret that you are going to be very disappointed, then. I have explained everything as fully as I want to and I have no intentions of giving out more information than I already have. I most certainly will not do it for "the town" to make mafioso like you and Andres feel more comfortable in your graves. Enjoy your naps.

There are a large number of townies who know first-hand that I am reliable and have worked consistently over the last several days and nights to get information where it needs to be and to coordinate the necessary night actions. At this point, I do not feel the need to give any further public explanations for my actions. Doing so will only help the mafia. I will continue to disclose whatever information I feel is necessary for people outside the town network to know, whenever I feel like they need to know it.

One of the Town's most important things it can do is to share around as much information as it can. This leads to large webs of townies who are all able to work together. TinCow's post clearly shows that he was withholding some information from the town as a whole - something only scum would do.

Post 2487

I did not have access to the list until after night 5. On night 5, all I was able to do was direct them away from people I knew to be townies, not towards people I knew to be mafia, since I had no conclusive proof about anyone.

I ask you here - If he had no conclusive proof about anyone, how did he know they were pro-town? Perhaps he had scum-buddies on that list, or he was just trying to make friends?

Post 2480

I actively encouraged the Stracchis to hit Craterus, because I believe he is a Don. I also actively encouraged them to hit Sasaki, because I've gotten bad vibes from him for a while now. However, I became a lot less clear about Sasaki recently, and for that reason he was specifically warned about that he was going to be hit on N7. Brave_Sir_Robin was never at risk, because I knew that the third person the Stracchi's were trying to get to help with that hit would not cooperate with them.

he says he is suspicious of Craterus and Sasaki with no evidence he is willing to come forward with to back it up. I am not defending either of these two, I am just saying that *if* they were mafia, TinCow would have to have access to some sort of alternative detective results, ie - Made detective results.

The next point is played out over a couple of posts:
Post 15
He selects GH as Director.
Post 2439
He admits that he was very keen to keep GH alive.

Now from the Night 6 Summary we know that GH was a wise guy with unknown levels of activity. However, I believe that Seamus was giving us a hint about GH's loyalties in the second sentence:

GeneralHankerchief and x-dANGEr were both criminals – WiseGuys – though we can’t really be sure how active either one was. Moros too registered as a Wiseguy with our sources, but there was something fishy there as well.

So perhaps the "as well" could be read as a sign of GH's guilt? So why was TinCow so eager to save him and see him elected as a Director? Perhaps GH was recruited really early into his family or TinCow was trying to form another family earlier with him at the top. Could GH or TinCow explain this to us?

I can't be bothered to do any more digging at this point - I have to get ready to go out today.

[CountArach]

Oh yeah...

Vote: TinCow

[TruePraetorian]

Elite Ferret i laugh at you...you obviously either dont pay attention to the game or have some secret role. The only reason you are posting is because you dont want to get WoGed.

Its clear you dont know what is going on, selection was the other day, and JimBob is director again. My assumption is that you clicked the "last page" tag in the gameroom, saw Craterus and CA at up for voting, and then voted just so everyone thinks your still active.

Dont mean to use it against you, but through all the days you are inactive (no posting) you have still been posting in the Glory of Rome thread...how come? Are you trying to "stay in the shade?"

TinCow and Sasaki...i dont know why you are both argueing...i have the reason to believe you are both pro-town. Sasaki has organised plenty of protection groups which have gone just fine, leading me to believe he is pro-town. On the other hand, TinCow has been leading the offensive against mafia with his vig groups. If you look, all his targets had reasonable suspicion against them.

My overall point is there are only a few who actually are active in the thread. Others, like Elite, wait until an oppurtune time to pop in a vote and then fade back into the shadows. JimBob, if that detective is truly a trustworthy source, thenask him (or this is asking him) to investigate the "shadowy" players..they obviously are hiding leading me to believe they have something to hide from.


unvote:CA
Vote:Elite Ferret

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I wasn't in a protection group that night, I just didn't trust you. I stayed at home.

Looks bad for you.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'd explain, but I'd like to see TinCow try to do it in a way that other people will perceive as scummy and thus get him in even hotter water.

Yes, I am WIFOMing. Make what you want out of the above.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Select: GeneralHankerchief

I have known GeneralHankerchief for many years. He has been a good friend and neighbor. I know he will do what is best for this town.

What's up with this post?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Paranoia has nothing to do with it. Even while typing this reply, I am feeling a bit paranoid; more paranoid than usual since as a townie I have no idea who is on which side. Every word can be taken as a lynchable clue and every statement a double-edged sword that hit yourself in the head. The whole, you're all alone and screwed if you misplace your trust (esp. in the beginning with the vigilante/protect groups) can make anyone to some degree paranoid. Glenn was attacked and he reacted by lashing out at the provokers. Instead of defending himself and digging himself into a bigger hole b/c of his presumed "mistake" of jokingly being paranoid, he decided to settle it via pm. His offensive pm really wasn't that offensive or scummy, he just gave you a mental note that he would be keeping his eyes on your activities which is something a townie is supposed to do. However, he probably realized that he was being too aggresive and didn't want to come off as being a mafioso and offered a truce, albeit a shady one. Also, the fact that he probably couldn't persuade anyone that you were a mafioso coupled with his lack of evidence of your guiltyness (his assumption of your mafioso role came from your actions, however a townie would also be questioning people lead to his confused state) and prompted the truce. Everyone wants to live as much as the next person and so self preservation isn't neccessarily something that would point out a mafioso. I sure don't want to die but I know that I'm not a mafioso, also. Let us wait for night results before we start a lynching comittee, it will give us a more accurate picture of who we're dealing with. Right now I'm just going to be watching scottishranger and Lord Winter, (no hunches, just watching). Yes, I'm paranoid and proud of it.

And my sword just recoiled from the blow on Sasaki's impregenable armor of reasoning and hit me in the face.

That is exactly the reason why I'm paranoid (besides I'm always a little paranoid, must get that from my Mom), fanatical mobs that kill on sight. I feel like I have to be overly careful of my wording because of people going overboard to try not let anyone slip away unnoticed. I think I rephrased that sentence like 5 times before I posted it and it still makes me look kinda scummy.

These two posts are all Draco has posted in the thread. From back on page 8 or so. He's never voted.

This is the list of inactives posted a little while ago:

FoS:
Alexander the pretty good
Big King Sanctaphrax
Draco Leman
Leet Eriksson
gibsonsg

Alexander and BKS got WoG'd. Leet has been in some prot groups supposedly. Gibsong is mafia. So Draco, what have you been doing at night that has saved you from the axe?

[Sigurd]

I replied and said it was ok for me to look up IP's to find double accounts because those weren't allowed under org rules. He never replied. So, why was CR asking me about IP's?

I would like to see the coals stoked on this one... the embers are dying.

So you didn't infiltrate the Don meeting CR and you don't have a pro account on quicktopic. I am fairly sure you mentioned something about having a pro account a long time ago.

[Caius]

vote: gibson

He's been inactive for most of the game but has yet to be killed. This suggests he has an important role, and there was a detective result (is this one questionable too, JimBob/Cow?) that showed him to be mafia.

Link?