Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

[Kagemusha]

With the evidence seen before, il vote: CR. How can you infiltrate a Don meeting without a Don pm?

[Cowhead418]

I will Vote: Craterus for now because I'm not yet ready to believe that CR is guilty. He has been working with Tincow and JimBob for quite some time and due to their efforts in eliminating mafia scum I believe them to be pro-town. However, I think it would be helpful to know what kind of role, if any, CR has. If he has an important one there are plenty of doctors available. I can't recall if he has made a claim to any role previously.

[TinCow]

First of all, I want to say that this game is brilliant. Kudos to Seamus. I am really enjoying this. Maybe I'm just sadistic, but these kinds of situations are immensely enjoyable. I'm definitely in for Capo III.

Now, I really do believe that CR is innocent, so I am going to do my best to defend him. Since it's already obvious that he claims to be the FBI Detective, I will do my best to produce the evidence I have that will prove that. If any of this evidence convinces people, I would like to humbly request that some Doctor/Surgeon out there protect him in the future, since he will be extremely vulnerable if he survives this lynch vote.

Exhibit A:

Partial Role PM CR sent to JimBob and I a week ago. Clearly most of it is missing due to 'red' text. Since this is my first mafia game, the PM is meaningless to me, since I wouldn't know a real FBI role PM if it hit me in the face. Others may be able to verify or refute its validity.

Tincow and JimBob,
Since people in the thread are asking of how sure you can be of the FBI agent, let me help. As you probably already know, I am the FBI agent.

Role

Special Agent (Detective), Federal Bureau of Investigations


Victory Condition

You achieve victory by voting to lynch suspicious individuals and/or participate personally in their removal until such time as: a) all of the Mafia Dons, original and created, have been killed and b) the remaining townies and unaligned WiseGuys outnumber the remaining Mafiosi. Your personal survival, though important, is secondary to the overall success of the town.

Just wanted to let you fellows be 100% sure of that.

Please don't tell anyone, even for the townies, I am the FBI detective. Also, I may need protection tonight.

CR

More exhibits will follow, after I go get some coffee.

[naut]

NVM.

[TinCow]

Exhibit B:

Excerpt from a PM from Dutch_guy when he was about to get lynched:

Also, I have been in contact with Crazed Rabbit, who seems eager to get a hold of my role PM. He has dogged multiple questions concerning his allegiance, so I'm guessing he's not pro town. His reason for getting a hold of my role PM was, in his own words, to track down Glenn's killer. Not buying that. But perhaps we can use this situation to our advantage. I could ask for something in return, but I have yet to figure out what exactly I should ask.

As we all know, Dutch_guy was the Stracchi Luca. If CR was a Don, he would already have access to a Luca PM. Why would he need Dutch_guy's?

[Makanyane]

First of all, I want to say that this game is brilliant. Kudos to Seamus. I am really enjoying this. Maybe I'm just sadistic, but these kinds of situations are immensely enjoyable. I'm definitely in for Capo III.

Now, I really do believe that CR is innocent, so I am going to do my best to defend him. Since it's already obvious that he claims to be the FBI Detective, I will do my best to produce the evidence I have that will prove that. If any of this evidence convinces people, I would like to humbly request that some Doctor/Surgeon out there protect him in the future, since he will be extremely vulnerable if he survives this lynch vote.

Exhibit A:

Partial Role PM CR sent to JimBob and I a week ago. Clearly most of it is missing due to 'red' text. Since this is my first mafia game, the PM is meaningless to me, since I wouldn't know a real FBI role PM if it hit me in the face. Others may be able to verify or refute its validity.



More exhibits will follow, after I go get some coffee.

ROFL will your next exhibit include more than the victory conditions from the townie pm Seamus posted and the word FBI detective added?

Victory Condition

You achieve victory by voting to lynch suspicious individuals and/or participate personally in their removal until such time as: a) all of the Mafia Dons, original and created, have been killed and b) the remaining townies and unaligned WiseGuys outnumber the remaining Mafiosi. Your personal survival, though important, is secondary to the overall success of the town.

[Drisos]

Gah! Can't find my detective PM anymore in my inbox... big mistake.

Aw well.

Hmm. Mayakane... the victory condition stuff could very well be correct. Sounds very familiar.

[Kagemusha]

Tincow. Your post doesnt give any explanation still, how CR was supposed to infiltrate Don meeting without the Don pm.

[Andres]

Gah! Can't find my detective PM anymore in my inbox... big mistake.

Not that it would have been of any use, since you're dead...

[TinCow]

Exhibit C:

The PM that started this whole Sigurd situation:

Tincow and Jimbob,

The following is of top secrecy, and must not be spoken of or hinted at to any other people.

As you know, I was woefully misinformed earlier on the identity of Don Corleone.

I emailed the anonymous don email and recieved a reply.

From that reply, I checked the headings and found the originating IP. I checked that IP and found it belonging to an organization in Amsterdam. And so I assumed the sender was from Amsterdam.

But I was wrong. And so I rechecked, and followed the IP address further - and it lead to BaneTele AS, the state broadband company of Norway.

And so I checked every member in the game and found only one to be confirmed from Norway - Sigurd Fafnesbane. There are other reasons to believe he's don - his manner in this game, his vote to hang hannibalarc instead of Tiberius, made of the Corleone family.

There were some others I couldn't pin down - gibsonsg91921, Joe Monks, johnhughthom (who's only vote once as an abstain, and posted about twice, which makes you wonder how he's still alive. If this continues and he doesn't get WoG'd he must be checked out) - but I don't think they are norwegian.

I believe there is an 85% chance Sigurd is Don Corleone. There are some other possibilities - a Norwegian communicating on behalf of the don, but even then, Sigurd is likely to be part of the Corleone family.

Thoughts on this?

Please remember this is of the utmost secrecy.

If we decide Sigurd is likely Don, and to go after him in the day phase as a lynch, one of you (Jimbob?) should post in the thread that you received results from the FBI detective, who investigated Sigurd twice and got the result that he was the Don. I can give you a believable result from Seamus, and assure you that no one else will (truthfully) claim the role. And if they do, we know they're mafia scum.

That leaves us some choices for the day phase if we decide Sigurd is the Don. I also know Makayane is a Tataglia killer, as well. Double lynches are fraught with peril for the town. But if we avoid the stupidness of getting someone like xdeathfire on the list, and make it between someone like DG and Don Corleone, or between Mak and Don C, then we could perhaps learn something about who else is in each respective family, even if we don't get a double lynch.

I'm going to investigate little grizzly and Norwegian nerd, I think.

Crazed Rabbit

PS - I confirmed CA as a pro-town role and got Husar to put a protection group on him.

Please pay particular emphasis to the section I underlined. CR has a good point here. If he is not the real FBI Detective, where is the real FBI detective? Surely someone somewhere knows who he or she is? Will someone step forward and claim this?

It is not without a bit of irony that I note CR's validation of CA (who I have recently accused) in the postscript. However, CR was looking into CA for a while before this, it was not a new situation. CR certainly could have been duped.

Exhibit D:

A PM that followed shortly afterwards in the ensuing conversation:

I didn't have time to explain it last night, but here's why we can't talk about the IP thing (yet, anyways).

I did manage to sneak into the anonymous Don chat area.

But if we use this evidence now, they'll get scared, arange a new meeting place, and I'll lose that info.

For example, I know the Corleones are sending a 'hitman' after Louis, to kill him and make it look like the serial killer.*

To use this info someone must simply send another email to the don hotmail account [ don1_capodetutticapi@hotmail.com ], and get a reply. I don't have time - I've got class in 15 minutes, and exam 2 hrs 15 minutes from now which I need to prepare more for.

On the up side, I am now 100% sure it's Sigurd.

CR

*this claim should be examined later - maybe the Corleones are friends with the serial killer?

The evidence clearly shows that the Hitman really did kill Louis immediately after this was sent. If CR was a Don, he would have known right then and there that Sigurd was the Hitman. Why would he disclose the information about the Hitman going after Louis, and then FoS the Hitman?

Also, this is the explanation on why we kept the information secret: it was hoped that CR could get more useful information out of the 'Don group.' As it turns out, they somehow figured out he was a mole and cut off the flow of information.

[TinCow]

Tincow. Your post doesnt give any explanation still, how CR was supposed to infiltrate Don meeting without the Don pm.

True. At that I can only speculate, and I believe my speculation would do a disservice to everyone. I can think of plausible answers for all of them, but if CR is a Don, that would just give him an easy way out by saying that I am right. Therefore I will leave that answer up to CR.

[Andres]

As we all know, Dutch_guy was the Stracchi Luca. If CR was a Don, he would already have access to a Luca PM. Why would he need Dutch_guy's?

Did CR knew that you were in contact with the Stracci's?


EDIT: also, it would be nice if CR posted a link to that particular quicktopic.

[TinCow]

Did CR knew that you were in contact with the Stracci's?

Not at that point, no. At that point only JimBob and I knew. I informed CR just prior to the night when we hit Northnovas and Tran.

[Andres]

Not at that point, no. At that point only JimBob and I knew. I informed CR just prior to the night when we hit Northnovas and Tran.

Any particular reason for excluding CR from your network for so long?

[TinCow]

Any particular reason for excluding CR from your network for so long?

The only thing he was excluded from was the fact that I was relaying information from the Stracchis. Only JimBob knew about that. CR was involved in everything else. It was actually JimBob who at first convinced me that CR was trustworthy. I didn't trust anyone but JimBob for a long time, so I did not want my information going beyond him. Eventually the totality of the evidence I saw convinced me of CR's role, so I came clean to him so that he could help us organize the final (successful) lynching of Dutch_guy, followed by the simultaneous hits on Northnovas and Tran.

[Andres]

Now, Makanyane may be scum, just like me, but she makes a valid point about the part of CR's "FBI Detective role pm":

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Role

Special Agent (Detective), Federal Bureau of Investigations


Victory Condition

You achieve victory by voting to lynch suspicious individuals and/or participate personally in their removal until such time as: a) all of the Mafia Dons, original and created, have been killed and b) the remaining townies and unaligned WiseGuys outnumber the remaining Mafiosi. Your personal survival, though important, is secondary to the overall success of the town.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Victory Condition

You achieve victory by voting to lynch suspicious individuals and/or participate personally in their removal until such time as: a) all of the Mafia Dons, original and created, have been killed and b) the remaining townies and unaligned WiseGuys outnumber the remaining Mafiosi. Your personal survival, though important, is secondary to the overall success of the town.

I have difficulties to believe TinCow when he says that he believed CR's "reveal" to be genuine.

The only thing he was excluded from was the fact that I was relaying information from the Stracchis. Only JimBob knew about that. CR was involved in everything else. It was actually JimBob who at first convinced me that CR was trustworthy. I didn't trust anyone but JimBob for a long time, so I did not want my information going beyond him. Eventually the totality of the evidence I saw convinced me of CR's role, so I came clean to him so that he could help us organize the final (successful) lynching of Dutch_guy, followed by the simultaneous hits on Northnovas and Tran.

So, you happily forwarded a top secret pm from a player who might have been a detective (but you were not 100 % certain about that, but the possibility was certainly there) to people who were confirmed mafia scum (that you were 100 % certain of).

Isn't that an odd action for a self declared pro-town player?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

TinCow, your evidence is "He said so"???

Please check my exhibit A and don't be so trusting. No I was not the rogue detective that game.

Your exhibit A is a a piece that is identical to the townie pm with a bit at the top that says fbi.

Your exhibit B is evidence that CR tried to get the luca pm. Pretty meaningless and wifom. He can't tell you guys he already had the luca pm so if he wanted it he had to acquire it from somewhere. It's also possible his luca is dead and had never sent it to him.

For Exhibit C, there's no reason for the fbi detective to reveal himself in the thread just yet.

Exhibit D, I don't even see what your arguing here.


And you don't even try to explain the biggest thing, which is that there is no way CR could have infiltrated the meeting using the old pm.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I also think it's hilarious that he confirms CountArach as a protown role.

[TinCow]

So, you happily forwarded a top secret pm from a player who might have been a detective (but you were not 100 % certain about that, but the possibility was certainly there) to people who were confirmed mafia scum (that you were 100 % certain of).

Isn't that an odd action for a self declared pro-town player?

I had to supply you with enough townie 'inside' information to convince you I was on your side. It was a calculated risk and it paid off. Certainly, some of that information could have been used against the town, but if I didn't give you enough information, you would have suspected I was hiding something from you (as you openly did the one time I failed to give you the names of the protection/vigilante group participants). Criticize me all you want, but my method worked and the Stracchis are now all but extinct.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I am the FBI Agent:

Role

Special Agent (Detective), Federal Bureau of Investigations


Victory Condition

You achieve victory by voting to lynch suspicious individuals and/or participate personally in their removal until such time as: a) all of the Mafia Dons, original and created, have been killed and b) the remaining townies and unaligned WiseGuys outnumber the remaining Mafiosi. Your personal survival, though important, is secondary to the overall success of the town.

Powers & Responsibilities

A. General:

1. Your identity is hidden for your safety, as are the identities of the other detectives.
Should you reveal your role, be aware that it will make you a high priority target for the mafia.

2. You may not join a townie “vigilante” group.

B. Day Actions:

1. You can select/vote as can all players.

C. Night Actions:

1. In combination with 2 other townies, you can form a protection group (3 required) and attempt to protect one other player. If no attack occurs, nothing happens. If the target is attacked your group will save her/him and receive credit for the save. More than 3 townies can work in the same group, though this does not provide any other benefit aside from participation credit. If only 2 townies participate in a save effort and the target is attacked, that effort automatically fails. If only 1 townie attempts a save and the target is attacked, that effort fails and the townie has a 1 in 3 chance of dying themselves in making the failed attempt. You cannot conduct investigations while protecting someone.

2. After two such successful saves, one of your group may be selected (randomly, but not you) to continue the game as a Doctor.

3. Each night phase that you are not involved in protecting someone, you can conduct two investigations. Working with the FBI resources, your investigations are slower, but provide better information.

D. Investigations:

1. If investigated by a Detective or a Made Gangster, it is virtually certain that you will be discovered as “innocent.”

2. When conducting an investigation, remember that “innocents” include Townies, Doctors, Detectives, the FBI Detective and Dons, that “Criminal” includes some Townies as well as WiseGuys, Made Gangsters, and Lucas. “Guilty” includes Mades and Wise Guys on the night of a kill as well as any Townie who has ever been involved in a killing. Your results also include some chance (1 in 6, 1 in 36 for Dons) to determine that player’s role. Subsequent investigations of the same person are possible and will give you a 3 in 6 chance to learn their role (1 in 6 for Dons), and a smaller chance (1 in 6, 1 in 36 for Dons) to learn details of some of their actions during the game. The results of your investigations will be provided to you near the beginning of the 2nd day phase following your investigations.


Role Changing

You may not change roles.

Red areas eliminated.

Thanks a lot, Sasaki.

And you don't even try to explain the biggest thing, which is that there is no way CR could have infiltrated the meeting using the old pm.

Please do stop attacking me based on your ignorance of the situation.

So, you happily forwarded a top secret pm from a player who might have been a detective (but you were not 100 % certain about that, but the possibility was certainly there) to people who were confirmed mafia scum (that you were 100 % certain of).

Investigations to be posted shortly.

CR

[Kagemusha]

I am the FBI Agent:


Red areas eliminated.

Thanks a lot, Sasaki.


Please do stop attacking me based on your ignorance of the situation.




Investigations to be posted shortly.

CR

If you are the FBI detective, why did you lie about the results of Sigurd and also you still havent answered how you got into the Don meeting without a Don pm?

[Andres]

I had to supply you with enough townie 'inside' information to convince you I was on your side. It was a calculated risk and it paid off. Certainly, some of that information could have been used against the town, but if I didn't give you enough information, you would have suspected I was hiding something from you (as you openly did the one time I failed to give you the names of the protection/vigilante group participants). Criticize me all you want, but my method worked and the Stracchis are now all but extinct.

We already were extinct. If you had simply declined our offer to cooperate, the only thing you had to do was lynching Dutch_guy (which sounded easier then it turned out to be ) and all of the Stracci's would have been exterminated.

There was no need for "a method" to destroy the Stracci's. Louis had already done that. Thanks to you, we survived just long enough to take out Louis.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Fascinating. No explanation as to why you didn't send tincow the whole pm earlier?

For reference, here's the FBI pm that was posted in the old capo thread:

Your Role: FBI Detective

As with any pro-townie role, your basic mode for success is to vote to lynch Mafiosi, eventually removing the mafia threat from Fatlington and creating a town win. Moreover, you are Fatlington’s only FBI Detective. Each night phase, you can investigate two of your fellow Townies to try to discover Mafiosi etc.

Role Changing:

You may not change roles. If you combine with 2 other townies you can attempt to protect one target per night (after two successful protections, one of the group (not you) may become a “Doctor “ and can progress from there). Creating such a combination is up to you however, and you will have to work out your own deals/contracts/arrangements for forming such a combo with the other players.

PM’s:

Each night you are still alive, PM me with instructions for your actions that night. These may be:

“Get some sleep” “Investigate so-and-so” “Protect so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…” or “kill so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…”

Warning: if the requisite number of townies is NOT available, the protection/kill effort will almost certainly fail. If a townie attempts a kill/protection solo, the effort will certainly fail, and there will be at least one chance in three that the townie will perish in the attempt.

Investigations:

You will always register as “innocent” if investigated. When investigating others, your information will be significantly delayed – but much more accurate – then a regular detective. Rather then receiving your information at the conclusion of the night phase (when the regular detective gets their answer), you will receive yours AFTER the voting has closed on the following day phase.
When investigating others, remember that “innocents” include Townies and Dons, that “Criminal” includes some Townies as well as mafia Mades and Lucas. “Guilty” includes Mades and Wise Guys on the night of a kill as well as any Townie who has been involved in a killing. When you’ve identified a “guilty” target you may (60% if Made/Luca, 80% if Wise Guy, 100% if Townie) get additional evidence about other crimes or other data as well.

Special Note: You have one chance in 10 on each investigation to learn the exact role of the player investigated as well as the “normal” detective information above. This chance drops to 1 in 20 for identifying the Dons.

Getting Recruited:

What if a Mafioso seeks to recruit you? You can respond as you wish to such an offer. However, if they believe you to be a Wise Guy and use you as part of a kill team, that team will very likely fail unless you are an “extra” and they already have sufficient killers on the team. If recruited by a townie group, you can function as a normal townie (though you cannot participate in a killing) – and sometimes use your special function as well.

Please do stop attacking me based on your ignorance of the situation.

Why? It's pretty clear you can't explain that and if you can't explain it you must be a Don. Earlier you said you wouldn't send me your email because you didn't want me to post it in the thread but it's all in the thread now. Prole also says she never sent you her donna pm.

Instead you've just posted a generic fbi pm.

[Myrddraal]

Fascinating. I say we let CA off the hook, on the condition that he reveals all his information. Including, since he's burnt now anyway, how he infiltrated the meeting of the dons. If he's lying, those lies will surely show through over the next few turns, and we can protect him at night.

Has anybody got an updated tally?

CR, I hope you realise that you're going to need a good explanation for the don meeting infiltration...

[Crazed Rabbit]

N1
Investigate: Andres (Guilty) & Proletariat (Innocent)

N2
GeneralHankerchief = Criminal, WiseGuy

Moros = Criminal

N3
Twilightblade = criminal

Makanyane = guilty

N4
factionheir = guilty

hiji = guilty

N5
Joe Monks = criminal

Makanyane = guilty N5, Tataglia Luca from outset of game.

N6
[***********] = innocent

[***********] = innocent

N7
[***********] = innocent

Warluster = criminal

N8
[***********]= Innocent

[***********] = Innocent

The names of the innocent have been covered. If people insist, they'll be uncovered.

If you are the FBI detective, why did you lie about the results of Sigurd and also you still havent answered how you got into the Don meeting without a Don pm?

Gee, maybe so I could continue trying to spy on them, and so people wouldn't rush to vote me. Sounds like a pretty stupid question now, doesn't it?

And as I said, I did have a don PM - Prole's from last game.

CR

[LittleGrizzly]

CR ive been holding off voting as im awaiting an explanation as to the don meeting infiltration...

you used proles old don pm... werent they asking for certain words, like word 4 line 4, i find it hard to believe they would be identical got an explanation ?

but what about the family name... how did you pick one someone else hadn't claimed ?

and whats this about investigating me, a waste of time i can assure you.. but im assuming you won't take my word for it...

[Andres]

And as I said, I did have a don PM - Prole's from last game.

CR is telling the truth. Don't lynch him!

[TinCow]

I can confirm that the results CR just posted are the ones he sent me. It is important to note that it was based on CR's N4 results that we killed Factionheir. As the write-up confirms, Factionheir was a Made. Also, CR specifically named Makanyane to JimBob and I as the Tataglia Luca a long, long time ago. Based on this information, she was killed on N8.

I would like to make a proposal: spare CR from the lynch today and wait for the result on Makanyane. If she turns out to have been a Tataglia Luca, then the evidence will strong suggest that CR's investigation results are real. If they are real, then his role is real.

Give it one day, people. There are other mafioso we can lynch right now. Do we really want to risk killing the FBI Detective?

[Crazed Rabbit]

Fascinating. No explanation as to why you didn't send tincow the whole pm earlier?

Ahem -

So, you happily forwarded a top secret pm from a player who might have been a detective (but you were not 100 % certain about that, but the possibility was certainly there) to people who were confirmed mafia scum (that you were 100 % certain of).

For reference, here's the FBI pm that was posted in the old capo thread:

Wait one ******* minute. You go on and on about how I can't possibly use an old Don PM because they've changed so drastically and all that BS you know nothing about, and then when I post an obviously new FBI PM you act like it's no big deal, and say it's generic. They are obviously different.

You cannot have it both ways. Either PMs are the same and I should not be held under such tight scrutiny for getting into the Don meeting, or they are different and I am the FBI detective.

Prole also says she never sent you her donna pm.

Prole would be wrong:

Heya, thugs!

Hope you guys are having a nice week so far.

My email is [edited]@yahoo.com

We can discuss further there. Let me know what you guys would like to do tonight so we can get our pm to Seamus in on time. I don't know what info you two have, but here's what I got from Seamus, to keep you up to speed.

What do we make of Sasaki being our Wolf? I think we coulda done better, but we'll see. Any thoughts on our signature kill style?

Anyway, looking forward to working with you two. I'll be a little more busy than usual, so offer as much advice as you feel, I'm open to anything. Maybe tonight we should look at recruiting rather than offing a pair, but lemme know what you think. I'll try and stay on top of things as much as possible, but point out anything you think I might be missing or didn't catch wind of

You got my email, catch you guys later

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Your Role: Donna Barzini

You are the boss of a crime family, and your goal is to take over Fatlington and become the Capo de Tutti Capi (Captain of Captains). To do this, you will need to eliminate all of the other Dons and establish a crime family that outnumbers the remaining Mafiosi and citizens of the town.

Powers and Limitations:

Your death is part of the victory conditions for the other Dons, and will also severely limit your families chance of success as creating a new Don is time-consuming.

You will almost always appear innocent in investigations because, normally, the Don makes no moves him/herself – that’s what your family members are for!

You will choose some “signature” component that will feature in all of your family’s killings. This may be a consistent method, a symbol or calling card, or some other distinctive characteristic – but it must be used in each killing without exception. You must notify me of this characteristic with your first nighttime PM.

If you have no other family members left, you may perform one of the following once per night: a) attempt to kill one target, or b) attempt to investigate two other citizens. Your investigation will parallel those of a made and help you identify further possible recruits.

You, and only you from your family, are aware of a special “friend” of the Mafiosi of Fatlington – The Wolf. Though not a member of your family, this person can provide unusually effective protection once in a while making it easier for your Family to achieve success and harder for detectives to track you. This is not without a price however, as you then owe The Wolf a favor which he/she can collect when they see fit and which you MUST honor, unless it would involve attacking a member of your own family.

PM’s:

Each night you are still alive, PM me with instructions for your actions that night. These may be:

“Get some sleep” OR if solo “kill so-and-so” or “investigate so and so”

Investigations:

If investigated by a Detective or by a Made Gangster, you will almost certainly be discovered to be “innocent.” You will only register as “criminal” or “guilty” if you have personally participated in a killing.

Barzini Luca = Reenk Roink

Barzini Made = Crazed Rabbit

The Wolf = Sasaki Kojiro

[edited]@gmail.com

further communication should be along these lines

Full results:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

N1
Investigate: Andres (Guilty) & Proletariat (Innocent)

N2
GeneralHankerchief = Criminal, WiseGuy

Moros = Criminal

N3
Twilightblade = criminal

Makanyane = guilty

N4
factionheir = guilty

hiji = guilty

N5
Joe Monks = criminal

Makanyane = guilty N5, Tataglia Luca from outset of game.

N6
LittleGrizzly = innocent

norwegian nerd = innocent

N7
Roadkill = innocent

Warluster = criminal

N8
Myrddraal = Innocent

Ironside = Innocent

[Sasaki Kojiro]

All he has to do is explain exactly how he infiltrated the meeting. If he won't do this even when faced with death then it's obvious he can't and must be a don. Don't sidestep.