Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

[Sarathos]

Some one has to go
Vote:Glenn

8 glenn(kamikhaan,xehh2,Ichigo,Sigurd,Sasaki,Big King Sanctaphrax,Kagemusha, Sarathos)
4 pevergreen(andres,cratarus,tincow,little grizzly)
2 Beefy(shlin, pannonian)
1 CountArach(GH)
1 norwegian nerd(omanes)
1 sigurd(prole)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

yeah... somebody knocked him on the head... hes wrong about me... what about you eh?... don?

So TS, glenn says you wanted to protect Sigurd, why was that? What were you doing last night? I don't see why you'd create protection groups and not join them, unless you were mafia trying to use the groups. This post here seems like you are pretending to be suspicious of sigurd.

[pevergreen]

Protecting pevergreen:

******
******
******
******
******


Killing Beefy:

Pevergreen
*******
*******
*******

Protecting beefy:

Tincow
******
Sasaki Kojiro
******


I had a group on me in case W&F got a hit on me.

The hit on beefy was organised by me to get doctors. I dont know if it was succesful or not.

[Twilightblade]

Isnt that "working the system" or something and a little off pever?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Killing Beefy:

Pevergreen
*******
*******
*******

Who else was in this group?

why? You left your group. I have no reason to trust you.

I am a wise guy...if your mafia that may be helpful...

HMMMM I think pevergreen must go. Not this round though, glenn goes this round.

This is from a pm just now btw.

[Sigurd]

According to Glenn, Louis was also protected by The_Stranger .. and following Drisos' logic Louis must be a Don and The Stranger his Luca.

BTW.. Why would a detective join a protection group? Why waste two investigations?

[pevergreen]

Yes sasaki. I have no reason to trust you.

Yes I am a wise guy. So? I cant join you under false circumstances? The only evidence we have of you is that you left a protection group last night.

[Hannibalbarc]

Vote Glenn My opinion is that he's a Don protected by his Lucas.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

According to Glenn, Louis was also protected by The_Stranger .. and following Drisos' logic Louis must be a Don and The Stranger his Luca.

How so?

[pevergreen]

Vote: Glenn

Glenn (10) (kamikhaan,xehh2,Ichigo,Sigurd,Sasaki,Big King Sanctaphrax,Kagemusha, Sarathos, Hannibalbarc, pevergreen)
pevergreen (4) (andres,cratarus,tincow,little grizzly)
Beefy187 (2) (shlin, pannonian)
CountArach (1) (GH)
norwegian nerd (1) (Omanes)
Sigurd (1) (prole)

[Csargo]

When pevergreen sent out the pm I replied and asked to be put in a protection group. He ordered 4 of us to protect beefy. I didn't see any reason to do that (thinking he might be a mafia buddy of pever or that pever just wanted to know who was protected). I contacted my group and asked them to protect pannonian instead. Tincow didn't trust me either, so I think only two of us actually protected pannonian, my result email said our efforts weren't parallel.

I'm curious as to why you wanted to protect Pannonian.

Also, I'm not a big fan of Sigurd's attitude.

[Sigurd]

How so?

Why not? ... The same logic naming me a Don could be used to name Louis Don.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm curious as to why you wanted to protect Pannonian.

He seems like his usual self. And even if he's mafia he'll be a voice of reason in finding other families.

Why not? ... The same logic naming me a Don could be used to name Louis Don.

Drisos said you were a don and TS was on your team. I don't think he gave any logic. But mafia teams have three members, so why couldn't louis be the third member?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yes sasaki. I have no reason to trust you.

Yes I am a wise guy. So? I cant join you under false circumstances? The only evidence we have of you is that you left a protection group last night.

I didn't trust you to pick a protection target.

So, you are a wise guy who has been attempting to network. If you network with other wise guys you can start your own family. If you wanted to be a townie why not join a protection group? If you wanted to be sure that the protection group worked, why not tell us what it was for? Why won't you reveal who was in your killing group?

Many wise guys joined mafia groups or formed their own last game. If you wanted to do that, and someone contacts you now that you have made it public, you could. Not trustworthy.

[Lt. Pinard]

Vote:Glenn

Cause of the sketchy way he got away from death.

[Craterus]

TS has to be scummy. From what we know (if it's all true and I believe most of it probably is), he's probably a Luca. Lynching him would leave a Don unprotected (Sigurd/Louis? I'm thinking Sigurd right now, laughing off () the accusation just had mafia written all over it). So with TS out of the way, I'm quite happy for the mafia families to take out the unprotected Don.

Before roles were handed out, TS PM'd me about working together in this. It was written in a style similar to our old conversations (light-hearted etc.) After roles went out, I got the serious recruitment PM followed by further intimidating stuff. Withholding information, all that stuff. For me, this proves - or as good as - that he had an agenda.

His comments to Sigurd following Drisos' reveal (are we supposed to be using that? It's kind of hard to ignore.) are suspicios too. As Sasaki pointed out.

I don't think Glenn is the right lynch tonight (foregone conclusion by now?) because he's still giving information. I guess it could be false though.

unvote pevergreen - he can wait.
vote The Stranger

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Why not? ... The same logic naming me a Don could be used to name Louis Don.

I'm not sure I quite understand here. According to Glen, both you and Louis were protected by groups. If either of you were Dons, surely you'd have had your Luca's protecting you.

[Csargo]

Yes sasaki. I have no reason to trust you.

Yes I am a wise guy. So? I cant join you under false circumstances? The only evidence we have of you is that you left a protection group last night.

It's strange you would ask someone to be part of one of your group's without trusting them.

[Tratorix]

Vote:Glenn

He's acting very defensive whenever accused, he was protected by a lone person(likely a Luca) and he is very determined to stay alive, which a basic townie wouldn't be. He may turn out to be innocent, but we should take the risk, since if he is guilty he's a Don.

Also, FOS: norwegian nerd(for his comment about his "buddy")

[Csargo]

I'm not sure I quite understand here. According to Glen, both you and Louis were protected by groups. If either of you were Dons, surely you'd have had your Luca's protecting you.

If they can get the Don's protected by a townie group the Luca's can do other things. Though it's risky to do so. That seems to be what's happened in a couple of cases.

[Sigurd]

Drisos said you were a don and TS was on your team. I don't think he gave any logic. But mafia teams have three members, so why couldn't louis be the third member?

True...

Well, what game are you playing The Stranger? Inquiring minds want to know.

[Craterus]

Vote:Glenn [cut]
he is very determined to stay alive, which a basic townie wouldn't be. [cut]

I don't think that's a fair point. This is his first mafia game? I was very concerned with self-preservation when I started playing, probably still am a bit now.

[Xiahou]

vote: Glenn
He's the clear choice this round. He could have been protected by a doctor- if so, that says nothing of his innocence. If he was protected by a Luca, he's very clearly scum.

[Sigurd]

(Sigurd/Louis? I'm thinking Sigurd right now, laughing off () the accusation just had mafia written all over it)

Put your self in my shoes.
I made a few posts commenting on Sasaki and GH. Then following the results of night one, I join the 'suspicion towards Glenn' group pointing out his lone protector.
Suddenly I am accused by a dead man of being a Don. Then the player I voted to lynch, throws out accusations of me being involved with a Alpha group and a Beta group, sounding as I was the originator of both.

I was thinking right there and then that either Sasaki or GH was behind a smear campaign against my character because I came too close to the truth.
I was laughing hard at my keyboard because it would have been a brilliant play.

I realise now that this is all due to The Stranger's wacky play.. He has been know to play ... well, strange.

[naut]

Glenn's actions yesterday were edgy, that's not to say he was the only one. Several people caught the public spotlight for their edgy display's yesterday.

My vote may change, but for the moment I want to see how Glenn responds to numerous accusations.

Vote: Glenn

[Hannibalbarc]

How many votes make a lynch?

[TruePraetorian]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

TS has to be scummy. From what we know (if it's all true and I believe most of it probably is), he's probably a Luca. Lynching him would leave a Don unprotected (Sigurd/Louis? I'm thinking Sigurd right now, laughing off () the accusation just had mafia written all over it). So with TS out of the way, I'm quite happy for the mafia families to take out the unprotected Don.

Before roles were handed out, TS PM'd me about working together in this. It was written in a style similar to our old conversations (light-hearted etc.) After roles went out, I got the serious recruitment PM followed by further intimidating stuff. Withholding information, all that stuff. For me, this proves - or as good as - that he had an agenda.

His comments to Sigurd following Drisos' reveal (are we supposed to be using that? It's kind of hard to ignore.) are suspicios too. As Sasaki pointed out.

I don't think Glenn is the right lynch tonight (foregone conclusion by now?) because he's still giving information. I guess it could be false though.

unvote pevergreen - he can wait.
vote The Stranger

I agree with Craterus.
I was recruited by The Stranger last night to protect Loius the Fat. Here is the thread he told me to use:

We, Dutch_Guy, Glenn and TruePraetorian will protect this night, Louis VI The Fat.
I after I found out Glenn was in the group, I wanted out. I PMed him to let me out of the group, and he sent me this:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

sweet jesus PT you are not pulling this kinda on me... i told you... no way to back out... you are doing this protection... you can back out next time...

but you are sending the pm tonight otherwise you will be prime candidate for lynch tomorrow...

working with glenn isnt going to affect you... you know why... because nobody wouldve known it... if he dies... so what... nobody wouldve known you wouldve worked with him... now... people do...

and we are not protecting him... were protecting louise... and if he dies tomorrow... i know who to blame.

so... make your choice mate... what better way to prove innocent than working in a ptgroup

The PT thing is not an accident, it is quoted as is.

Now, you can ask Glenn, I PMed him personally to let him know how I felt. I will show you the PM if you want. I told him that I didn't want to be associated with him due to the fact he was "taking fire". He understood this, and we had an agreement not to let everyone else know we worked togehter. I understand why he broke the agreement; To clear his name of course. I am not attacking him, but I am also not defending him. He might as well be lynched, I think he is acting more then a "little" scummy. I just think The Stranger is not taking enough fire for his actions.

He also never told me why we were protecting Loiuse...Mafia maybe?

Also, I'm going to double post because I can't find a quote that I wanted to comment on.

Vote: The Stranger

Shouldn't have threatened me into that protection group.

[Husar]

Vote: Sigurd

well, I believe Drisos and I found it suspicious that Sigurd selected me as director. Now why is that? Well, last time someone was really nice to me, that person was scummy and besides, Sigurd knows me quite well and may have wanted to get my support by being nice to me, unfortunately I'm aware of my weaknesses.

[Tratorix]

I don't think that's a fair point. This is his first mafia game? I was very concerned with self-preservation when I started playing, probably still am a bit now.

It's his second I believe, and he claimed to have read through quite a few of the older mafia games here. Therefore, he should know this kind of selfish attitude tends to get you lynched. Besides, he's really the best lynch for now, as he seems scummy because of his actions in the thread basically all the accusations against other people are based on pm quotes or information from people who could very well be lying.

[TruePraetorian]

I'm innocent, but it doesn't matter if I'm innocent or not, it's my life I'm concerned about.

However, if I say what I know.. and I know alot.. and people believe me, then alot of nasty people are going to hang.

And I will die, won't I Stranger?

@ Glenn

stop threathening me... tell me what dirt you supposedly got on me... bring it

stop twisting my words

Why would you recruit him if obviously he is suspicous of you too? Unless, he does know things you dont want released? Or maybe, he doesn't know any secrets at all, your just playing the "me and you are enemies" game, when actually you are both Mafia?

Scummy, TS, scummy scummy scummy scummy...