Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

[Pannonian]

Another striking thing however is that Pannonian is not wanting Glenn and JimBob to be investigated. Yes some Wiseguy could claim this however if another detective does it he can stand up too. Why would a wiseguy want to do this? I don't think he can gain much points if any with this. Nor does the Wiseguy itself as the point system is secret till after the game. What wiseguy would take this chance? There are other families and they could start up one too, also I think a mafia family won't want to miss a possible recuit that can become a made. They need the few numbers they have to ensure their victory.
Is it perhaps you fear that if Glenn or JimBob or freind investigates you, which would either way happen quite fast, the investigation might be believed? Are you scared you will lose a dear secret? Or is this just a legimate concern?

I know I'm finger pointing a lot, but I just have to ask why a possible good tactic should not be used. Someone needed to ask this question. I however wouldn't vote to lynch you or something at all. However soon, when I recieve a forwarded pm callen N 2 results (or perhaps a slightly higher number) , I might. Also Detectives know that this is the title given to investigation results pms. (I assume Seamus pm titles are the same to all) So this a proof that I in fact do have contact with a detetcive that is to be thrusted. Or at least I hope other detectives did have pm's with the same title. lol. Or I'm screwed.

Anyway I want some awser Pannonian, just to check.

The false reveal thing was just something that occurred to me during the night, after I'd already made the case for detectives to investigate the pair of them. The fact that I know of no detectives that have gone ahead and investigated them also pointed me in the direction of wanting another way of checking their credentials. As I explained it, if we have a trustworthy detective who can investigate Glenn and jimbob, we have a foolproof way of checking if they're a Don/Made combo. However, I know of no detective so far, and I'm not entirely sure if a reveal comes that it will be trustworthy either.

If your networking has put you in touch with bona fide detectives, feel free to carry out the original plan. It's only because I'm not sure we have the tools for it that I'm looking for another plan, not quite as good, but workable given what we have.

[Moros]

I can live with that explaination.

[TinCow]

@TinCow, the reason it can't work if you volunteer to take results from detectives is that there's no accountability for those detectives. Any Tom Dick or Vincentino can claim to be a detective to you, and there's no way for you to check. Also, if you are mafia you can hit them all without the town knowing who to protect.

If we ask the detective to reveal publicly (in exchange for protection) then they must put themselves in the spotlight, and make themselves open for investigation themselves. No sensible mafia family would place even a wise guy in that position, since they're almost certainly sacrificing him/her.

That's a good point, I never thought of it like that. I humbly withdraw my offer then.

However, I still think there really is no good reason not to investigate Glenn. He was about to be lynched my a massive margin of votes and we can't even spare one detective to check him out? Surely there is enough of a chance that he's a Made, Wiseguy, Serial Killer, or some other middle-ground role to justify this double-check.

[Zorg]

Can someone explain what holmes is? I've never heard the term (outside of the fact holmes is a detective...) before.

[CountArach]

A program that Kommodus made that analyses people's posting habits and compares them to previous games. If they are notably different to their averages, chances are they have a role. There are lots of things that go into it, however.

[woad&fangs]

I'm going to stay up for an hour or two to see if Seamus posts the N2 results and then I'm logging off. I won't be available tomorrow and I'll only be online Monday for long enough to send in my night orders.

I'd really like it if someone could organise protection for me and Pannonian on night 3. I'm a wiseguy so it would be nice to live long enough to be promoted to doctor so I can get points off of a town victory. I think that we should try for a triple lynch. Glenn apparently refused to go along with Pannonian's investigation suggestion so I think it is safe to say that he's a Don and not some Protown role. Lynching Jimbob and Glenn would effectively cripple an entire family unless they got really lucky with wiseguy recruitment. If they really do have some wacky protown role then why hasn't the third guy shown up to confirm the story? Either they are scum or the third guy is going to get WoG'd soon so all we're losing is a couple of detectives that no one will believe anyways.

[TevashSzat]

Bah, so no news of what happened during the night still yet...

[PershsNhpios]

Oh, I do enjoy how Woad&Fangs has assumed, seeing as I was working my horses all day, that I have refused then to agree to an investigation.

I have supported an investigation sinch Sasaki first said, "Lynch him"!

I'm not the one stopping you all, nor is Jimbob, in fact I think we'd both like it to occur.
Now, our roles say that we should appear as, "Unclear", if investigated - just a warning - we will not appear criminal, and certainly not guilty as here is our history of night actions;

Glenn N1 - protecting Sigurd Fafnesbane with TruePratorian, Dutch_Guy.
JimBob N1 - Sleeping, (Inactive)

Glenn N2 - Investigating
JimBob N2 - Investigating

I will give the names of the investigated when we have the results and when Jimbob agrees to this.

Oh- another note for you W&F - we don't need a third to investigate.
It's not that hard to follow the clues, son.

I still fear very much that Holmes, though useful before, could be very easily used as a reason for innocence that shouldn't exist.
Still also however, there is no evidence of Kommodus' guilt, and I reap more suspicion than he - I simply wish I had more reason to trust him.




What is going on Seamus? Just how much have you got to write?

[woad&fangs]

I thought that Pannonian said you didn't agree to the investigation. Sorry if I was wrong.

[TinCow]

Now, our roles say that we should appear as, "Unclear", if investigated - just a warning - we will not appear criminal, and certainly not guilty as here is our history of night actions;

If you both appear as unclear, that would, I believe, be the best possible outcome. Even if you both showed up innocent, it's still possible that one of you is a Don and is duping the other. Unclear ensures that you are, at worst, a wiseguy, which is not a role that we should be concerned with at this point in time, IMO.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Now, our roles say that we should appear as, "Unclear", if investigated

I say we lynch at least one tomorrow. I can't see any reason at all for a pro-town role to turn up unclear as default. Also, once more they are revealing an extremely specific part of their supposedly red role pm.

[Kommodus]

What exactly are you taking about?

Wouldn't you like to know, mafioso?

Well so far you haven't given proof to back that up, are you just randomly targeting people?

It's hardly random. I'm targeting you because you are a mafioso. A guilty, guilty, mafioso.

Also, i'm curious as to how Kommodus found Hannibilbarc guilty using Holmes. Doesn't Holmes work by comparing players to their posting styles in previous games? I don't belive i've ever seen Hannibalbarc in a game here before.

That was the old way of doing things; the method that was becoming increasingly problematic to apply. "Out with the old, in with the new!" Now it doesn't matter as much whether or not they've played before.

[TruePraetorian]

Glenn N1 - protecting Sigurd Fafnesbane with TruePratorian, Dutch_Guy.

I never protected Sigurd...we protected Loius...

And I agree with Sasaki. I have said it before, and will say it again, if there truly is three of them...does it matter if one of them is lynched? Then when the autopsy comes back we can truly see what they were, and can base the facts upon that.

[PershsNhpios]

I can't see any reason either, but I don't make the rules here.
Speaking of rules, you may of made a valid point about how specific I was, I'll have to contact Seamus and see how loud-mouthed I can be here.

I say your strategy of lynching just one of us, just in case, is rather dull.
You would still be killing one of us, and you would still be killing a pro-townie.
If you are sure of our guilt, kill us both, else - let us operate as we must.
I'm not a detective, I'm a detective with a sword.
I doubt I will be using that sword, or else I will appear, "Guilty".



Why is it so quiet?
I imagine everyone is waiting to see who is still alive.
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EDIT

I am sorry if I said Sigurd instead of Louis - I don't think it matters, you know I was protecting somebody - Louis then - and so does Dutch_Guy.

I thought we had made it clear as possible that we need all three of our group - or else we do not function half as well.
If there be only one of us left, we may as well be townies.

But you are very right, Praetorian, lets just kill whoever we might suspect, and then wait three days to see if we were right or not.
I'm sure the Mafia will wait for us, they are a courteous people.

[TruePraetorian]

Aren't mades "detectives" in their own sense?

Can't mades kill?

And im not saying "kill the pro-twonies!", no. I'm saying "hell, if its so much of a hassle to figure out if we trust them or not, lets just get it over with."

[PershsNhpios]

Well, that is a very lazy, and hardly forensic attitude.
Why should anyone listen to the arguments of someone who justs wants to get it over and done with?
Everybody else is taking their time to study the evidence.

Are townies capable of investigating?
Can't they kill?

This is Capo, not regular Mafia.

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Oh, by the way you made a mistake in your title, "Romanum", is not written in the genitive form - fix it! Silly man!
Scratch that! I made a mistake! But peace needs to be altered instead. We're both silly men!

[TruePraetorian]

Well, that is a very lazy, and hardly forensic attitude.
Why should anyone listen to the arguments of someone who justs wants to get it over and done with?
Everybody else is taking their time to study the evidence.

Are townies capable of investigating?
Can't they kill?

This is Capo, not regular Mafia.

The only reason I said "get it over with" is because most of us are tired of people like you ranting...we would much rather see you out of the way, that way we can see if you were truly lying or not with a simple autopsy. I may not have voted for you the first day...but half of me just wants to lynch you because you won't shut up.

And read my posts, i have been studying, or are you to busy talking you dont have time to listen??

[PershsNhpios]

Oh, yeah I see, right - I won't shut up.
I don't really have a right to answer every post that tries to condemn me I suppose, considering 4 in 5 do so.
Maybe I'll just keep answering you, as it is polite to do, to see how fiery a little goat you are.

Really, don't play this game if you don't expect long conversations that require dedicating a large quantity of thought and patience.
Until you make a valid argument, I hereby don't give a ponytail what you say.

[TruePraetorian]

Glenn, you honestly don't get it. I play this game, and continue to play this game, based on the fact of long conversations and investigations. That is the point of Mafia. I hardly see the reason of you accusing me of impatience to long conversations with you, as you must not see that any conversation with you from anyone is a one-sided fit of pleaing and made up code-words on your part. Honestly ask anyone playing... I even recall Pevergreen so fed up as to say "I know who to add to my don't play with list".

I'm not trying to start an argument, not at all. I'm just saying what I think. If you can't stand it and "won't give me a ponytail" or whatever other childish pun you can think of, so be it.

And for the record, if I wanted anymore spam and ridiculous arguments I'd listen to Hillary Clinton.

[PershsNhpios]

Are you calling me an old woman?

Blue eight eagle braveheart.

It is time to mash the hot bun. Out.

(I'm going to be off for a while, so you can all breathe easy and talk about things without getting annoyed.)

[CountArach]

Glenn - if you indeed have an all-red role you broke the rules by telling us that you would come up Unclear.

I say we lynch at least one tomorrow. I can't see any reason at all for a pro-town role to turn up unclear as default. Also, once more they are revealing an extremely specific part of their supposedly red role pm.

Good idea. Lynch one now, deal with the rest of them when the first one comes up guilty.

[TruePraetorian]

Thank God im not the only one that thinks so. Hopefully we all know who we want to lynch, i have some ideas ...

[Husar]

Well, what I see here looks a bit like what Crazed Rabbit described earlier.
If glenn isn't a detective and gets off the hook now, he will try to lead the town posing as a detective and that can only be a bad thing. On the other hand, if he is a detective, well, we have other detectives it wouldn't be that good to lynch him although not too bad either.

[JimBob]

A few points.

#904

He was protected night one. The odds are better that he was a don getting protected by a luca than a doctor choosing to protect him.

Why are those the only two options. This is Capo, we are dealing with more than either/or. Maybe there is something more than a Luca or Doctor protecting us? I can't explain an we all know why, but there are mechanics acting in our favor, they are neither doctor nor luca.

He makes up a simply outlandish claim full of holes a mile wide. Even then, the third member of their 'group' hasn't been found, suggesting idiocy or non-existence.

What holes? There are no holes in the truth. Believe us or not we will be vindicated in the post game. I've got the truth on my side and it will see me through.
As to our third member; again there are more than two options. Why must it be only that we told a lie or our third is stupid? Maybe he is one of the 21 people who are inactive and not voting.

#936

Lynching Jimbob and Glenn would effectively cripple an entire family unless they got really lucky with wiseguy recruitment. If they really do have some wacky protown role then why hasn't the third guy shown up to confirm the story? Either they are scum or the third guy is going to get WoG'd soon so all we're losing is a couple of detectives that no one will believe anyways.

No it won't. It'll only hurt the town by taking away two people who can aid the town. The third will apparently be WoG'd soon. I hope that like in the last Capo he'd be replaced by a random townie (I replaced a detective on N5 I believe). So hopefully our third will come to us by one or another method soon.

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I say we lynch at least one tomorrow. I can't see any reason at all for a pro-town role to turn up unclear as default.

Good thing you're not Seamus, cause apparently he can, and apparently he put it in the rules. It's the !@#$%#&$&#&@% truth. All you'll get by killing us is that the mafia will have to look over their shoulder less.

Also, once more they are revealing an extremely specific part of their supposedly red role pm.

This is the first time. Seamus has cleared all other information given. (See Post 751 if you have questions). So don't assert that we've given specific information from our roles PM. There is a whole hell of a lot that you don't know. Don't twist facts, it's beneath an innocent townie like you.
Glenn did cross the line here. Apologies to all the players here. But don't use this one instance to paint the rest of our behavior with a broad brush.

[Csargo]

Why are those the only two options. This is Capo, we are dealing with more than either/or. Maybe there is something more than a Luca or Doctor protecting us? I can't explain an we all know why, but there are mechanics acting in our favor, they are neither doctor nor luca.

We have to assume that because that's the only logical explanation.

This is the first time. Seamus has cleared all other information given. So don't assert that we've given specific information from our roles PM. There is a whole hell of a lot that you don't know. Don't twist facts, it's beneath an innocent townie like you.
Glenn did cross the line here. Apologies to all the players here. But don't use this one instance to paint the rest of our behavior with a broad brush.

Twist the facts?

Now, our roles say that we should appear as, "Unclear", if investigated - just a warning - we will not appear criminal, and certainly not guilty as here is our history of night actions;

I believe you both said your entire role PM's were red or most of them anyways. You didn't post the part of your PM's that may not have been red. This to me is starting to seem more and more like a ploy. Saying your entire PM is red then using a part of the PM that apparently isn't red to help Glenn and your case. It's a strange phenomenon I guess.

[CountArach]

I'm betting they made up the Red PM. The third person has not been willing to come forward (Though I have my suspicions) and until that happens I can't trust that they are telling the truth.

[TruePraetorian]

I'm betting they made up the Red PM. The third person has not been willing to come forward (Though I have my suspicions) and until that happens I can't trust that they are telling the truth.

Even if he does come forward...it might be fake.
If they are telling the truth, as far as I can tell, they've broken the rules. We know alot about their roles even though they weren't alowed to tell us. Odd? I think so.

And so I don't get accused for not posting what we "know" (were told):
-We know there is 3
-They are "pro-town"
-They use code-words
-They appear unclear
-Glenn "is a detective with a sword"
-They can save lives
-Roles in red

Anything else, please feel free to post

[Csargo]

Apparently they have the ability to change the color of their role PM's as well.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Good thing you're not Seamus, cause apparently he can, and apparently he put it in the rules. It's the !@#$%#&$&#&@% truth. All you'll get by killing us is that the mafia will have to look over their shoulder less.

I suppose this is fair enough, I looked up the rogue detective from last game and he came up as "criminal" under investigation.

This is the first time. Seamus has cleared all other information given. (See Post 751 if you have questions). So don't assert that we've given specific information from our roles PM. There is a whole hell of a lot that you don't know. Don't twist facts, it's beneath an innocent townie like you.
Glenn did cross the line here. Apologies to all the players here. But don't use this one instance to paint the rest of our behavior with a broad brush.

Lose the attitude, if I were modding the game I'd have WoG'd you both. Maybe seamus is more lenient. How come you express certainty that I'm an innocent townie?

[CountArach]

And so I don't get accused for not posting what we "know" (were told):
-We know there is 3
-They are "pro-town"
-They use code-words
-They appear unclear
-Glenn "is a detective with a sword"
-They can save lives
-Roles in red

Glenn has one and JimBob another. How could you forget that?