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Folks, why are we so willing to take the bait laid by Loius? I've got a few questions about this 'reveal'. First, why wait so long into the round? Second, how on earth would any mafioso actually trust Loius enough to reveal name to him, after what he did earlier? This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. C'mon people, lets keep our eyes on the prize and get Tran and Dutch_Guy for now.
unvote: present
vote: Tran
Tally 2042
Dutch Guy- 8 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch)
Tran-7 (Haudegen, TinCow, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge)
XDeathfire - 6 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Sasaki)
Kurki-1 (Sasaki)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -2 ( Craterus, TruePraetorian)
Craterus-1 (CR)
Not Voting: 24
vote: Tran
Tally 2042
Dutch Guy- 8 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch)
Tran-7 (Haudegen, TinCow, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge)
XDeathfire - 6 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Sasaki)
Kurki-1 (Sasaki)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -2 ( Craterus, TruePraetorian)
Craterus-1 (CR)
Not Voting: 24
unvote,vote:tran
Tied. But with dutch voting himself we'll have to be really watchful come deadline time, he could unvote easily.
Tied. But with dutch voting himself we'll have to be really watchful come deadline time, he could unvote easily.
Right. unvote, vote: Xdeathfire
May as well keep him up there, might end up getting lucky and lynching all three.
Capo Tally 2044
Dutch Guy- 8 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch)
Tran-8 (Haudegen, TinCow, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki)
XDeathfire - 6 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -1 (TruePraetorian)
Craterus-1 (CR)
Not Voting: 24
Hope that's right.
May as well keep him up there, might end up getting lucky and lynching all three.
Capo Tally 2044
Dutch Guy- 8 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch)
Tran-8 (Haudegen, TinCow, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki)
XDeathfire - 6 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -1 (TruePraetorian)
Craterus-1 (CR)
Not Voting: 24
Hope that's right.
It might not be a Dutch person that got Tosa to do it. Who else has easy access to him?
.Org staff.
Think on it.
Personally, I'm looking at all the times when Kukrikhan was reacting to Tosa's posts when he seemed to be the only one doing so. As if trying to call extra attention to it.
.Org staff.
Think on it.
Personally, I'm looking at all the times when Kukrikhan was reacting to Tosa's posts when he seemed to be the only one doing so. As if trying to call extra attention to it.
This is a non-lead as far as I'm concerned. Tosa would probably post for anyone if they asked nicely and I imagine he's been picked because he's so neutral.
Craterus isn't Dutch. 
Oops, Craterus shows up as having 30 posts in the 'Talk your own Language Thread' in the Frontroom. Otherwise known, as the Dutch-speakers thread.
Okay, here is what is going on. Some of you veterans may remember the episode from Capo I. A non-player posted a message on behalf of a player in the thread. I analysed this message, with the help of some stuff and background knowledge. The message was correctly established to have been written by a native Dutch / Flemish speaker.
A Dutch / Flemish conspiracy was uncovered, and this led to the downfall of Don Kralizec in Capo I.
In similar fashoin, TosaInu's message on behalf of Don corleone was analysed. Again, the author is with a high probability Dutch / Flemish. Now, I think we can safely assume that the message wasn't written by Tosa, or tampered by him a lot. So, again, the sender of the message is, with a high probability, Dutch / Flemish.
We looked for surviving Dutch speakers. None, except for Dutch_Guy and Craterus we presumed. Alas, Craterus is not Dutch, as it turned out.
Nonetheless, what we are looking for is a native Dutch /Flemish speaker as the sender of TosaInu's 'Don Corleone' messages. Can the Dutch / Belgian crowd here help us name all of those from the list of players?
Tosa1
Tosa2
Thanks.
Also, two other possibilities come to mind:
- a dead Flemish / Dutch player wrote the message on behalf of somebody else
- the Flemish / Dutch author posed as Don Corleone, but is in reality another player trying to get a mafia don gathering together.
Oops, Craterus shows up as having 30 posts in the 'Talk your own Language Thread' in the Frontroom. Otherwise known, as the Dutch-speakers thread.
Okay, here is what is going on. Some of you veterans may remember the episode from Capo I. A non-player posted a message on behalf of a player in the thread. I analysed this message, with the help of some stuff and background knowledge. The message was correctly established to have been written by a native Dutch / Flemish speaker.
A Dutch / Flemish conspiracy was uncovered, and this led to the downfall of Don Kralizec in Capo I.
In similar fashoin, TosaInu's message on behalf of Don corleone was analysed. Again, the author is with a high probability Dutch / Flemish. Now, I think we can safely assume that the message wasn't written by Tosa, or tampered by him a lot. So, again, the sender of the message is, with a high probability, Dutch / Flemish.
We looked for surviving Dutch speakers. None, except for Dutch_Guy and Craterus we presumed. Alas, Craterus is not Dutch, as it turned out.
Nonetheless, what we are looking for is a native Dutch /Flemish speaker as the sender of TosaInu's 'Don Corleone' messages. Can the Dutch / Belgian crowd here help us name all of those from the list of players?
Tosa1
Tosa2
Thanks.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Also, two other possibilities come to mind:
- a dead Flemish / Dutch player wrote the message on behalf of somebody else
- the Flemish / Dutch author posed as Don Corleone, but is in reality another player trying to get a mafia don gathering together.
Funny, I didn't see an apology in there anywhere 
Wow, 30 posts, some were before it was the "Talk Dutch thread" though.
As for Dutch members: Andres, Drisos, Dutch_guy, Moros and The Stranger. Maybe taka (I don't know where he's from)? But I don't think anyone else is Dutch.
That's it, I think.
Wow, 30 posts, some were before it was the "Talk Dutch thread" though.
As for Dutch members: Andres, Drisos, Dutch_guy, Moros and The Stranger. Maybe taka (I don't know where he's from)? But I don't think anyone else is Dutch.
That's it, I think.
Going for the triple lynch:
Vote: XDeathFire
Dutch Guy- 8 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch)
Tran-8 (Haudegen, TinCow, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki)
XDeathfire - 7 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -1 (TruePraetorian)
Craterus-1 (CR)
Not Voting: 23
prole - you still haven't explained how you remained alive. Why was someone who is clearly a great fighter protecting you? What is it you know?
Vote: XDeathFire
Dutch Guy- 8 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch)
Tran-8 (Haudegen, TinCow, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki)
XDeathfire - 7 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -1 (TruePraetorian)
Craterus-1 (CR)
Not Voting: 23
prole - you still haven't explained how you remained alive. Why was someone who is clearly a great fighter protecting you? What is it you know?
My apologies, Craterus. 
Of course, you should be hanged just for hanging out with the Dutch in the Talk your own Language thread.
Okay, Dutchies, fetch up. Who wrote it? Was it you, Drisos? Was it Andres or Dutch_Guy - Stracchis posing as Don Corleone? The Stranger? Somebody else?
Of course, you should be hanged just for hanging out with the Dutch in the Talk your own Language thread.
Okay, Dutchies, fetch up. Who wrote it? Was it you, Drisos? Was it Andres or Dutch_Guy - Stracchis posing as Don Corleone? The Stranger? Somebody else?
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat:
My apologies, Craterus.
Of course, you should be hanged just for hanging out with the Dutch in the Talk your own Language thread.
Okay, Dutchies, fetch up. Who wrote it? Was it you, Drisos? Was it Andres or Dutch_Guy - Stracchis posing as Don Corleone? The Stranger? Somebody else?
It's by no means guaranteerd that a Dutch member contacted Tosa, he speaks English you know.My apologies, Craterus.
Of course, you should be hanged just for hanging out with the Dutch in the Talk your own Language thread.
Okay, Dutchies, fetch up. Who wrote it? Was it you, Drisos? Was it Andres or Dutch_Guy - Stracchis posing as Don Corleone? The Stranger? Somebody else?
And for the record, it wasn't us.
Originally Posted by CountArach:
prole - you still haven't explained how you remained alive. Why was someone who is clearly a great fighter protecting you? What is it you know?
Prolly after the previous night where I was attacked twice, the protectors realized they might get to be doctors or surgeons quicker by protecting me. I'm a popular mafia target, it seems. To be honest, I don't even know who exactly is protecting me, only one of them and of course I'm not gonna mention that person's name here. For the folks who think it's a Luca that protects me, reread last night's failed attempt on me. It certainly doesn't read that way and I can't really make sense of it either. Looks like a vig kill group and a protection group.prole - you still haven't explained how you remained alive. Why was someone who is clearly a great fighter protecting you? What is it you know?
Guys I do admit that I am a wiseguy, but I've only killed once and thats with Zorg the second night. If you guys remember correctly, the reason why Zorg's group didn't kill the third night was because I didn't send in orders. As for these past nights, I have just been in some protection groups.
Why are you guys voting for me, "neutral" when you guys have confirmed mafia members already? All you guys are doing when going for a triple lynch is make it more likely that a mafia member will switch their vote right before a deadline and have me lynched instead of the known mafia members.
If you guys haven't noticed, we have only gotten one double lynch when we have tried to have done it more than once. It's simply, double and triple lynchings simply doesn't work with so many mafia families.
As for my vote, Vote: dutch_guy its time we got KNOWN mafias dead before going for random people.
Why are you guys voting for me, "neutral" when you guys have confirmed mafia members already? All you guys are doing when going for a triple lynch is make it more likely that a mafia member will switch their vote right before a deadline and have me lynched instead of the known mafia members.
If you guys haven't noticed, we have only gotten one double lynch when we have tried to have done it more than once. It's simply, double and triple lynchings simply doesn't work with so many mafia families.
As for my vote, Vote: dutch_guy its time we got KNOWN mafias dead before going for random people.
Vote:Tran
Dutch Guy- 9 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath)
Tran-9 (Haudegen, TinCow, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 7 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -1 (TruePraetorian)
Craterus-1 (CR)
Not Voting: 23
Dutch Guy- 9 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath)
Tran-9 (Haudegen, TinCow, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 7 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -1 (TruePraetorian)
Craterus-1 (CR)
Not Voting: 23
My advice, as dead, confirmed pro-town:
* Leave Louis, Sasaki, and Myrddraal alive, for now at least.
* Lynch xdeathfire, tran and dutch_guy this day. Be careful that one of them doesn't mess up the tally!
* Lynch Kukri a.s.a.p.! haven't read last half page, but before then, it was pretty 99% obvious he is guilty?
* Do NOT listen to Andres. He wants mafia to win. Again, do not listen to him, don't follow any advice of him!!
I ought to clarify, I have nothing to do with the Tosa messages. What are you cooking up this time? Why does it have to be dutch? Anyways, Moros isn't dutch, he's belgian. apart from him, me, andres, ts, and dutch_guy, I know no dutch in this game.
** If there's any wisguy in the position Louis was in... be a hero and be pro-town. Betray your family, sell them out in public. It will help. Do it as a last good deed, it really helps town so you might actually undo the damage to your conscience. remember, you're only a minor role in the game.. do some good for all the good guys, instead of only for yourself, since you won't live till the end anyway, probably..
ok, was that convincing? :P
hehe, I mean, it'd just be cool if more families were revealed publicly... cross-kills, obvious lynches, townspeople-paradise!
edit: dutch_guy still has a vote on himself, which he can easily use to mess up tally! beware! keep a close eye on the thread if you can!
btw, xdeathfire may be quite right.. double and triple lynching isn't really going to work, perhaps.. get at least dutch_guy and kurki lynched soon..
* Leave Louis, Sasaki, and Myrddraal alive, for now at least.
* Lynch xdeathfire, tran and dutch_guy this day. Be careful that one of them doesn't mess up the tally!
* Lynch Kukri a.s.a.p.! haven't read last half page, but before then, it was pretty 99% obvious he is guilty?
* Do NOT listen to Andres. He wants mafia to win. Again, do not listen to him, don't follow any advice of him!!
I ought to clarify, I have nothing to do with the Tosa messages. What are you cooking up this time? Why does it have to be dutch? Anyways, Moros isn't dutch, he's belgian. apart from him, me, andres, ts, and dutch_guy, I know no dutch in this game.
** If there's any wisguy in the position Louis was in... be a hero and be pro-town. Betray your family, sell them out in public. It will help. Do it as a last good deed, it really helps town so you might actually undo the damage to your conscience. remember, you're only a minor role in the game.. do some good for all the good guys, instead of only for yourself, since you won't live till the end anyway, probably..
ok, was that convincing? :P
hehe, I mean, it'd just be cool if more families were revealed publicly... cross-kills, obvious lynches, townspeople-paradise!
edit: dutch_guy still has a vote on himself, which he can easily use to mess up tally! beware! keep a close eye on the thread if you can!
btw, xdeathfire may be quite right.. double and triple lynching isn't really going to work, perhaps.. get at least dutch_guy and kurki lynched soon..
Vote: DutchGuy. In case he drops his vote at the last minute.
Dutch Guy- 10 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath, Kukri)
Tran-9 (Haudegen, TinCow, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 7 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -1 (TruePraetorian)
Craterus-1 (CR)
Not Voting: 22
need another Tran
Dutch Guy- 10 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath, Kukri)
Tran-9 (Haudegen, TinCow, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 7 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -1 (TruePraetorian)
Craterus-1 (CR)
Not Voting: 22
need another Tran
unvote: Craterus
vote: tran
Dutch Guy- 10 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath, Kukri)
Tran-10 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 7 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -1 (TruePraetorian)
vote: tran
Dutch Guy- 10 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath, Kukri)
Tran-10 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 7 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -1 (TruePraetorian)
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy:
It's by no means guaranteerd that a Dutch member contacted Tosa, he speaks English you know.
Actually, I am quite positive it was a Dutch / Flemish player. It is as clear as a text from Seamus being American and one from Pannonian being British. Native language shows itself always. It's by no means guaranteerd that a Dutch member contacted Tosa, he speaks English you know.
I see four options:
Tosa wrote it himself.
A Dutch speaker is the author, and is Don Corleone.
A Dutch speaker is the author, and posed as Don Corleone.
A Dutch speaker is the author, and wrote it on behalf / in the name of Don Corleone
I am absolutely serious about all this, in case anybody doubts it. And I have good hope that the author is indeed DC, or at the very least a mafioso from DC's entourage. Find us the Dutch / Flemish members and we've got a balloon member. Possibly, the don himself. What of all the semi-unknown members? Any Dutch, Belgians in there that anybody knows of?
Tosa1 was written after n3, on d4. Players:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Tosa2 was written after summary for d4, before n5
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Edit: if you are Chinese, Farsi or Swahili speaking, you can hide it from me. If you are are Latin / Germanic speaking, I will find out.
Vote: XDeathfire
Dutch Guy- 10 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath, Kukri)
Tran-10 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 8 (Louis VI, Kagemusha,Hiji Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -1 (TruePraetorian)
Dutch Guy- 10 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath, Kukri)
Tran-10 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 8 (Louis VI, Kagemusha,Hiji Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -1 (TruePraetorian)
Originally Posted by Hiji:
Vote: XDeathfire
Dutch Guy- 10 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath, Kukri)
Tran-10 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 8 (Louis VI, Kagemusha,Hiji Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -1 (TruePraetorian)
Thats all you have to say?Vote: XDeathfire
Dutch Guy- 10 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath, Kukri)
Tran-10 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 8 (Louis VI, Kagemusha,Hiji Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -1 (TruePraetorian)
Originally Posted by Caius:
Thats all you have to say?
Yes? I thought we were trying for a triple lynch?Thats all you have to say?
Originally Posted by Hiji:
Yes? I thought we were trying for a triple lynch?
I mean, dont you have anything to share with us. You come, vote, and then lurk again. Yes? I thought we were trying for a triple lynch?
Originally Posted by shlin28:
Moros I think.
Isn't he Belgian?Moros I think.
Originally Posted by Hiji:
Yes? I thought we were trying for a triple lynch?
Dutch_guy and Tran are the priority. Too many lynchees and they'll just swing the vote. xdeathfire should remain 2 votes below DG and Tran, I think. Yes? I thought we were trying for a triple lynch?
He's small fry compared to finishing off the staccis.
EDIT: Moros is dead.
CR
Vote:Xdeathfire
A three way tie could prove useful.
A three way tie could prove useful.
Vote: Abstain
A three way tie is interesting but I want to know who keeps trying to kill me
A three way tie is interesting but I want to know who keeps trying to kill me
Originally Posted by Twilightblade:
I want to know who keeps trying to kill me
Perhaps some angry town people...?I want to know who keeps trying to kill me
A Three Way Tie Is Not Useful
One of the votes on Dutch Guy is from Dutch guy. At the last minute he and tran could switch their votes to xdeathfire, who'd be three votes ahead then.
Finishing off the staccis is priority #1.
Always update the tally, please.
Dutch Guy- 10 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath, Kukri)
Tran-10 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 9 (Louis VI, Kagemusha,Hiji Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Sarathos, Craterus, CA)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -1 (TruePraetorian)
One of the votes on Dutch Guy is from Dutch guy. At the last minute he and tran could switch their votes to xdeathfire, who'd be three votes ahead then.
Finishing off the staccis is priority #1.
Always update the tally, please.
Dutch Guy- 10 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath, Kukri)
Tran-10 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 9 (Louis VI, Kagemusha,Hiji Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Sarathos, Craterus, CA)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -1 (TruePraetorian)
CR chill out, its not a 3-way anyway. But how do we know that Xdeathfire isn't part of their family?
Originally Posted by :
Rule 1: Do not talk about Project ######.
Rule 2: Do not talk about Project ######.
Nothing stays a secret for very long in Capo. Rule 1: Do not talk about Project ######.
Rule 2: Do not talk about Project ######.
I've already found a leak in your plan.
Don't worry though. I am pro-town just like you. Even if you-know-who doesn't seem to think so.
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