Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

**TinCow** · 02-23-2008, 19:34

Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

I don't really know the identities of the Dons. The Shadow never told and he is dead now anyways. I get the orders from Seamus.
I have my suspicions of who they are though. I named two. Lynch them and in three days you will know for sure.

Your information truly is worthless then, because you named me. It is very well known that I participated in the vigilante hits on Factionheir and Northnovas. If you check the write-up, those hits were made by 4 people. If I was a Don, my participation would not have counted, and thus they could only have succeeded if all three other participants were wiseguys. I will not produce the names of the people who helped me on those hits, since I do not want to expose them. But there are a good number of people who know who at least some of those people are, and several of them are verified townies.

Even if Sigurd is the Hitman, I think he's a perfect lynch. His role is pro-Mafia and he can kill on his own. That's even more dangerous than a Made.

**Louis VI the Fat** · 02-23-2008, 19:36

Why don't you all hang Tran now and get to the bottom of this first?

* fades away *

**TinCow** · 02-23-2008, 19:38

Another point regarding Sigurd's preposterous claims... if CR was a Don, why would he want the Hitman dead? Clearly the Hitman helps all mafia families, so lynching him will hurt them. CR has been gunning for Sigurd for the last several days. Sigurd's statements make no sense at all.

**Sigurd** · 02-23-2008, 19:39

Originally Posted by TinCow

Your information truly is worthless then, because you named me. It is very well known that I participated in the vigilante hits on Factionheir and Northnovas. If you check the write-up, those hits were made by 4 people. If I was a Don, my participation would not have counted, and thus they could only have succeeded if all three other participants were wiseguys. I will not produce the names of the people who helped me on those hits, since I do not want to expose them. But there are a good number of people who know who at least some of those people are, and several of them are verified townies.

Even if Sigurd is the Hitman, I think he's a perfect lynch. His role is pro-Mafia and he can kill on his own. That's even more dangerous than a Made.

I have been lynched.. you can't undo that.

**Sigurd** · 02-23-2008, 19:43

Originally Posted by TinCow

Another point regarding Sigurd's preposterous claims... if CR was a Don, why would he want the Hitman dead? Clearly the Hitman helps all mafia families, so lynching him will hurt them. CR has been gunning for Sigurd for the last several days. Sigurd's statements make no sense at all.

I see... you still hold to the 'Sigurd is Don Corleone' theory?
Well, you know who to lynch when my hitman result comes up in three days time.
The only way TinCow and CR will win this is if they are able to cripple the town before then. Well played.

**TinCow** · 02-23-2008, 19:48

Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

I see... you still hold to the 'Sigurd is Don Corleone' theory?

No, I find your statements somewhat believable. I don't hold to your "CR and TinCow are Dons" theory. They are completely at odds with the known facts.

**Caius** · 02-23-2008, 19:48

Now TinCow, is really JimBob a Don?

**Sigurd** · 02-23-2008, 19:50

Originally Posted by TinCow

No, I find your statements somewhat believable. I don't hold to your "CR and TinCow are Dons" theory. They are completely at odds with the known facts.

Well.. what have you to say about the FBI investigations? the ones you saw yourself?

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 02-23-2008, 19:52

So tincow, if before you assured us that there was an fbi informant and now you are saying you believe sigurd to be the hitman, what does that mean?

**TinCow** · 02-23-2008, 19:53

Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

Well.. what have you to say about the FBI investigations? the ones you saw yourself?

I say that I have seen the results and I have a great deal of reason to believe that the person who provided them was or is indeed the real FBI detective. I am not foolish enough to say the name of the person in this thread.

**TinCow** · 02-23-2008, 19:57

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

So tincow, if before you assured us that there was an fbi informant and now you are saying you believe sigurd to be the hitman, what does that mean?

It means that JimBob and I have more information that we have not given out for security reasons. You can either believe that, or you can believe that we are mafia. I leave that choice up to you.

**Proletariat** · 02-23-2008, 20:01

Is there actually an FBI agent between CR, JimBob and TinCow? Or did you guys just see the Norwegian ip and assume Sigurd is a Don, then claim FBI to lend weight to it?

That's basically what I've gotten so far, and now Tran gets another night for killing/recruiting/promoting.

**TinCow** · 02-23-2008, 20:03

So, you're saying that even assuming that Sigurd is the Hitman, you'd prefer to eliminate Tran, a wiseguy, than a mafia-ally that can kill by himself?

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 02-23-2008, 20:10

dude, there's a surgeon out there, a couple doctors, and plenty of protection groups. You don't even have to reveal the name of the person, just tell us why he claimed sigurd was a don when it seems he might be the hitman. Not that sigurd isn't good at faking a roleclaim but his didn't have a real "trying to save myself" feel to it. Do you still believe sigurd is a don?

There are more options than you telling the truth or you being mafia.

**TinCow** · 02-23-2008, 20:11

I'll leave that decision up to JimBob. He has had a lot more contact with the FBI detective than I have. His opinion would also carry far more weight than mine under the current circumstances.

**Louis VI the Fat** · 02-23-2008, 20:19

Long post, so spoiled:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

***********************

Originally Posted by Seamus

No post-mortem revelations.

**Drisos** · 02-23-2008, 20:28

Sigurd is lynched anyway... remember his story, and follow his leads if he appears to really have been a hitman when we hear his roll in three days.

**Crazed Rabbit** · 02-23-2008, 20:31

I still think Sigurd's the don - his story has too many holes.

How would anyone find a norwegian IP, as he claims, if he wasn't at the Don meeting?

And again, what other Norwegian players are in the game?

He never posted a role PM, even part.

CR

**Louis VI the Fat** · 02-23-2008, 20:32

I you want anything from me... admit that the FBI agent claim is false. Only then can I trust the information I got.

Come on, we all know there is no FBI information on you by now. I still believe that there is a good chance the FBI agent is for real and sincerely wants to help the town by having you lynched ( it is a pro-town action by any standard), but there are no investigation results on you. Logic dictates this.

Now please, spill your guts and name your mafia contacts and stuff.

**TinCow** · 02-23-2008, 20:37

Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

When did you get the information that there was going to be an attack on me? Before, or after the attack? Why wasn't I informed?

Because I didn't know until it had already happened. I was slightly pissed about not being informed. Northnovas wasn't informed either, and it sparked something of a minor crisis for a moment within the Stracchi group.

Also, why have you been pushing for my lynch even after you had 'infiltrated' the Stracchi's? And why did you let the Strachi's kill innocents?

I did not let them kill anyone that I knew was innocent. I had no information whatsoever about Motep. I decided that it was worth the risk that he was a townie in order to keep getting information out of the Stracchi. Just as you thought it was worth risking Glenn's life to do whatever it is that you did on the night that you got him killed.

I actively encouraged the Stracchis to hit Craterus, because I believe he is a Don. I also actively encouraged them to hit Sasaki, because I've gotten bad vibes from him for a while now. However, I became a lot less clear about Sasaki recently, and for that reason he was specifically warned about that he was going to be hit on N7. Brave_Sir_Robin was never at risk, because I knew that the third person the Stracchi's were trying to get to help with that hit would not cooperate with them.

Regarding my votes to Lynch you, for understandable reasons, I did not trust you. Also, when I first called you out for getting Glenn killed, I was still working on the whole 6th Family plan. GH did not get killed until after that, so I was trying to direct attention to people other than him. The fact that all the information I provided on you was true simply made it a credible distraction at the time. For the record, I still don't trust you.

You, on the other hand, go around killing innocents, vote to have pro-town players lynched, use your big project Mayhem to misdirect protection groups to people you know aren't going to be attacked, and then rat out the Stracchi's when you are found out.

You are free to hold that opinion. I admit I'm not an expert at mafia. This is my first game and perhaps I have made some blunders that more experienced people like you would not have. All I can do is say what I did and let you make up your own minds about it.

On n6 and n7 there were four attackers from this family. Dutch died yesterday, so he was probably the fourth on n6. But who was the fourth on n7? And who was the fifth one on n7? The one who didn't show up - that person with questionable parentage? You yourself?

The fourth person was scottishranger. Have fun lynching him. The fifth person I will not reveal, as he is pro-town. It was not me, as I was killing Northnovas. I felt I owed it to him to do him in personally, because he and I are friends from the KOTR PBM. That is why he died with a knife in the back. It was a specific request I made of Seamus.

Are you still hiding stuff from us?

Of course. I know things that I do not think should be public knowledge, just as you do.

Also, Tran was protected by a single person last night. Unless we have a doctor with a seriuously twisted sense of humour in our midst, Tran is the new don then. Not a wiseguy like you persist in. And so he couldn't be night-killed by a townie vigilante group. A waste of town effort...at best.

No, I think Tran survived by luck, just as I did and just as beefy did.

*starts bandwagon on TinCow for 'infiltrating' the Stracchi's and lying about it too

*

Don't bother, I'm sure I'll be dead soon.

Why are the detective results that JimBob has incomplete!?

JimBob did not list every result he has because he wanted to get more evidence on some of them. He has the full lists from each of the people that reported info to him. Just because he chose to post select information from those lists does not make the lists themselves faulty.

About Craterus, why was he protected by a single person on n6? Luca or doctor? Does JimBob know the identity of this doctor?

I believe Craterus to be a Don. I have no idea about Doctors, because I do not know the identity of a single one.

And I still FoS all Dutch / Norwegian(?) players for the role of Don Corleone. Unless it was The Shadow (wolf) itself who called for the Don meeting.

I agree with this.

**Sigurd** · 02-23-2008, 20:43

Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

I still think Sigurd's the don - his story has too many holes.
How would anyone find a norwegian IP, as he claims, if he wasn't at the Don meeting?
And again, what other Norwegian players are in the game?
He never posted a role PM, even part.
CR

Someone claimed this for you... If the IP thing is not important or never happened, then it is irrelevant. Wouldn't you agree? The same claimed you are the one who claims to be the FBI agent. Is this wrong also?
And I don't have to reveal my pm... It won't save me and you will know in three days time anyway. Be prepared to dodge those votes coming your way...

Where is Jimbob anyway? I want to hear what he has to say.

**Haudegen** · 02-23-2008, 20:46

Just one bit of input:

The IP might be a good hint, but I wouldn´t overrate it. There are plenty of tools available to fake IP´s.

**John86** · 02-23-2008, 20:56

Vote:Abstain

Sigurd - 12 ( Kage, CR, shlin, sara, CA, JMonks, TP, TinCow, Warluster, Mak, Haudegen, Myrddraal)
Proletatriat - 2 (EMFM, Elite Ferret)
Tran - 3 (Little Grizzly, Prole, Sasaki)
TinCow - 1 (Sigurd)
Abstain - 3 ( Hiji, Ironside, Twilightblade)

edit fixed tally

**Proletariat** · 02-23-2008, 21:01

Doesn't matter, but I voted for Tran, the Don who got a free walk this round.

**TinCow** · 02-23-2008, 21:08

Tran cannot be a Don. He has been in on multiple Stracchi hits. The only way he could kill as a Don would be if he was the only person left in his family. If that were true, his hit on Brave_Sir_Robin would have succeeded.

**Louis VI the Fat** · 02-23-2008, 21:20

Originally Posted by TinCow

I did not let them kill anyone that I knew was innocent. I had no information whatsoever about Motep. I decided that it was worth the risk that he was a townie in order to keep getting information out of the Stracchi. Just as you thought it was worth risking Glenn's life to do whatever it is that you did on the night that you got him killed.

I had three townies protect Glenn that night. I was the one who asked them to protect Glenn. Way before everybody was buddy-buddy with Glenn and JimBob after Seamus write-up of Glenn's role.
Presently, I even wonder if it wasn't perhaps you after all, who did not send in his protection order for Glenn. Number four, 'X', only ever said that he could not find his protection order PM for Seamus in his outbox.
I mean, you do blatantly admit that you were already involved with setting up your mafia group on the night of Glenn's kill. Is this why you still persist, vehemently so, that I should be held responsible for Glenn's death, and not the three town players I got together for his protection? Scared to lose your connection to JimBob?

JimBob did not list every result he has because he wanted to get more evidence on some of them. He has the full lists from each of the people that reported info to him.

I know. You may be surprised to learn that I know the full list too. And there are a lot of 'criminals' on it, have been for the past few days. You were JimBob's close and trusted partner, you had access to this list all the time. You were aware of people showing up criminal all throughout your five nights of 'infiltration' of the Stracchi's. Yet, you did not manage to persuade your mafia group to kill criminals one single time? It isn't that hard to do. I immediately ran with the 'criminal' results I got from my town contacts to the Stracchi's. We killed Drisos on n1, there was no telling what his role was. For N2 and N3, I made sure I got myself investigation results together to find criminals, and then urged the family to attack those, instead of innocents.

Plus, lest we forget, you also operated Project Mayhem, sending the town's protection groups around. Did it not ever cross your mind that you could perhaps use this to protect the people that your family was planning to hit? I say it looks like you deliberatly had the town groups protect the wrong people. Again, so many town protection groups, and not a single nighttime protection was managed.

Really TinCow, for five nights you go on a killing spree, for five nights you have prime access on investigation results from four detectives, for five nights you are in command of this town's protection groups.
The result? One hit after the other on innocents, and not a single save.

I think it is pretty clear what has happened.

**TinCow** · 02-23-2008, 21:40

Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

I know. You may be surprised to learn that I know the full list too. And there are a lot of 'criminals' on it, have been for the past few days. You were JimBob's close and trusted partner, you had access to this list all the time. You were aware of people showing up criminal all throughout your five nights of 'infiltration' of the Stracchi's. Yet, you did not manage to persuade your mafia group to kill criminals one single time?

I did not have access to the list until after night 5. On night 5, all I was able to do was direct them away from people I knew to be townies, not towards people I knew to be mafia, since I had no conclusive proof about anyone. On night 6, the decision to encourage them towards Craterus was a group decision, not my own. On night 7, the Stracchi got scared of the townies and I could not talk them out of attacking them. That is why we moved on the Stracchis on night 7. Perhaps I could have been more effective, I don't know. Again, this is my first mafia game. Sorry if I'm not performing at the level of a veteran.

Plus, lest we forget, you also operated Project Mayhem, sending the town's protection groups around. Did it not ever cross your mind that you could perhaps use this to protect the people that your family was planning to hit?

The only person this applies to is Motep. At the time that Motep was attacked, I had no information on what role he was at all. I had enough people for a vigilante group and two protection groups. The protection groups were targeted on people I knew to be pro-town and who seemed to me to be important to keep alive. If this is bad reasoning, I apologize for screwing it up. It seems I am now being accused of being bumbling and incompetent.

I say it looks like you deliberatly had the town groups protect the wrong people. Again, so many town protection groups, and not a single nighttime protection was managed.

I have so far organized three protection groups. Two on Night 5 and one on Night 6. None of the people the were protecting were attacked. I guess I just chose poorly.

Really TinCow, for five nights you go on a killing spree, for five nights you have prime access on investigation results from four detectives, for five nights you are in command of this town's protection groups.
The result? One hit after the other on innocents, and not a single save.

Totally wrong. I was working on the 6th Family thing through Night 4. I've only had 3 turns to work since switching sides. I've only had access to detective results for 2 turns. Does this change your opinion at all?

**Craterus** · 02-23-2008, 22:19

Well, if voting's still open, I'll vote: TinCow. Little late in the game for silly retribution votes but Sigurd is a foregone conclusion anyway. Thanks for organising the hit, I think you should count yourself lucky it didn't succeed. And with this, I'll just say a little thank-you to whoever saved me (safe hands!

).

Apologies for my inactivity over the last day or so.

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 02-23-2008, 22:22

"A skeptical star
Of lost generations
A blistering fascination
With visible scars
If this is all that I am - an abstract illusion
I'll fade into nothing to become a foregone conclusion"
-- Seven Ways Out

Sunset, Day Eight

"Sigurd Fafnesbane, you are judged guilty and sentenced to death," intoned Director JimBob -- with just the faintest hint of relish in his voice. "You will be taken to the beach and there placed in a modified lifeboat for your execution and funeral."

Sigurd looked up quizzically, but made no other reply. His arguments all evening had fallen on deaf ears -- the conclusion had been reached before it had even begun. He went with the guards stoically and the comittee followed.

When they reached the beach, Sigurd was escorted to the lifeboat and chained to one of its thwarts. The boat had been modified with plywood and canvas to resemble, at least vaguely, a Viking longboat. It reeked of gasoline and was stacked with straw.

"In the boat you will find a pistol, disassembled, with one bullet," said Jimbob. "The boat will be towed out by the tug you see there offshore," JimBob waived to the tug which started to ease forward at his signal. "If you hurry, you'll have the chance to save yourself from the flames...so please, take your time."

JimBob put a match to some of the straw, which lit quickly. The boat went out 100 yards fairly quickly and then the tug held it in position. Sigurd was bent over, ignoring the heat and ever-closing flames, hurriedly assembling the pistol intended for his coup de grace. As the flames reached his position and he began to burn, Sigurd stood erect and shouted at the shore.

"I may burn in Hell, but at least one of you <> is going with me!"

Sigurd aimed at the shore with his pistol, rocking on the burning boat, and --ignoring the agony of his now burning legs -- squeezed off his only round at the Committee, aiming for JimBob. He missed, of course. 100 yards is a long way for a pistol and his aim wasn't the steadiest. He did, however, shoot johnhughthom through the left eye, killing him instantly. Sigurd collapsed as the flames soared over him. Seconds later the lifeboat blew to fragments.

"I added a bit of dynamite for a spectacle," said JimBob. "Officers, if two of you would please remove our dead committeman here? The rest of you are free to go, but remember that our work will continue."

The committee filed away, and night came again to Fatlington.

OOC

1. Night 8 begins now, with PMs due by 1300 25 February 2008 (1800 GMT). My schedule tomorrow does not permit me to run a 24 hour block, sorry for the delay.

2. Specific voting tally posted later by edit. Sigurd is lynched and johnhughthom removed from play.

**PershsNhpios** · 02-24-2008, 03:34

Congratulations on a brilliant conduction of affairs, JimBob!

This loose collection of trusted townsfolk working for the greater good is what I tried to create - right before Louis cut out my heart.

Anyway, if no one else will listen - this is a message to JB - seeing as I barely participate and do not PM anymore.
(Because Louis betrayed me.. Thank you Louis.)

JimBob - for the love of hay, pay close attention to Proletariat, who sweetly graces the thread here and avoids all criticism.

You will notice that GeneralHankerchief is the only player who bothers to attack and throw suspicions on her!

Please note also, that GH and Proletariat were STRICTLY attacking only each other even before GH was killed!

GH is proven innocent - Proletariat is as fitting the description of a Don as ANY PLAYER!

Note that Sasaki was defending Proletariat - saying there was no great reason why she should be suspected as a don.
When Sasaki attacked and bandwagoned against me for the same sole reason that Proletariat should be considered.

Please, JimBob, townsfolk, don't let the Mafia waltz over your heads this easily... !!!

Thread: Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

Thread Tools

Display

Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re : Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re: Re : Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re: Re : Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re: Re : Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re: Re : Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re: Re : Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re: Re : Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re: Re : Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re: Re : Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re : Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re : Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re: Re : Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II

AW: Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re : Re: Re : Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re: Re : Re: Re : Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re: Re : Re: Re : Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions