Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

[Craterus]

vote: Ichigo May as well try for a multi-lynch and Ichi's a good candidate (better than Hiji IMO)

Select: Craterus

I'm not too taken with the idea of lying directors and I don't like a vote to be unanimous.

[Sigurd]

Hi…

Remember me?
Louis is not too far off in his speculations about the hitman role. Sadly I did not survive the slander and accusing of the so-called pro-townies.

A point I would like you to consider:
If I were a Don in this game I would have gone pro-town, make sure many people noticed and done nothing until the end-game. Then when there were a few players left, I would have made my strike, wiping out enough players to reach majority.
Let this be my pro-town tip for the day.

Personally I am not satisfied from the explanations given by TinCow/JimBob/Crazed Rabbit.
You had reasons to believe I was Don Corleone… Why Don Corleone and not Don Cunnio, Don Barzini (I was Don Barzini at one point) or Don Tataglia?
Why Corleone?
I want answers and I think you owe it to the town. You have been caught in falsely accusing me of being Don Corleone.
I don’t think you should choose JimBob for director until he comes forward and explain all this. If he is away, what good is he then?
I say select Prole or Sasaki for director.
I trust them more than the current organization.

[Leet Eriksson]

Gonna vote Hiji

Also i'm not from yemen, but the UAE

[TinCow]

Personally I am not satisfied from the explanations given by TinCow/JimBob/Crazed Rabbit.

...

I want answers and I think you owe it to the town.

I regret that you are going to be very disappointed, then. I have explained everything as fully as I want to and I have no intentions of giving out more information than I already have. I most certainly will not do it for "the town" to make mafioso like you and Andres feel more comfortable in your graves. Enjoy your naps.

There are a large number of townies who know first-hand that I am reliable and have worked consistently over the last several days and nights to get information where it needs to be and to coordinate the necessary night actions. At this point, I do not feel the need to give any further public explanations for my actions. Doing so will only help the mafia. I will continue to disclose whatever information I feel is necessary for people outside the town network to know, whenever I feel like they need to know it.

Also, please be assured that I am by no means a pivotal figure in the town defenses. If I am killed, there are others who know just as much as I do and who will take my place. I would actually enjoy a dirt-nap, since my wife has been nagging me lately about how much time I spend PMing for this game.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Slander, Sigurd? You admitted to being a mafia killer.

And I see absolutely no reason anyone should listen to any request of a mafioso, especially one demanding information from the town.

That's mean

But true.

Craterus - how about you explain why you were saved from a murder attempt by a doctor or Luca?

Seems odd a doctor would choose to protect you right out of the blue.

CR

[KukriKhan]

Sigurd does have one excellent point:

If he is away, what good is he then?
I say select Prole or Sasaki for director.

I don't think JimBob will think it's disrespectful of us to choose another Director while he's apparently afk.

Unselect: JimBob
Select: Proletariat

Let's have Seamus do a "Vicious Vixen" director write-up, good pulp-fiction author that he is. :)

[Craterus]

Craterus - how about you explain why you were saved from a murder attempt by a doctor or Luca?

Seems odd a doctor would choose to protect you right out of the blue.

CR

Pretty sure I already posted about that.

Truth is, I don't know who protected me and I certainly didn't ask for it but I'd like to thank the person responsible.

I also don't have a reason why I might be chosen for protection, my only thought being that I've been investigated and the information was passed on to a doctor.

EDIT: What's the tally on directors?

[shlin28]

Pretty sure I already posted about that.

Truth is, I don't know who protected me and I certainly didn't ask for it but I'd like to thank the person responsible.

I also don't have a reason why I might be chosen for protection, my only thought being that I've been investigated and the information was passed on to a doctor.

EDIT: What's the tally on directors?

You contradicted yourself in a pm to me...

If you're protecting me, yes. But I'm ok for tonight, thanks.

(I was asking if he wants to be in a protection ngroup)

[Craterus]

Excuse me?

I meant that I'm ok for night actions...

EDIT: Reviewing the PM, I understand what you meant. At the time, I thought you were recruiting me for a protection group.

[Sigurd]

Slander, Sigurd? You admitted to being a mafia killer.
CR

Yes.. I was killing mafia. And would continued doing so.
I guess the other mafia got a little afraid that they were next on the list.
Maybe players should put some votes on Don CR or fake FBI agent CR... whichever. And trow a few on Don TinCow as well. A double lynch FTW!!

[Craterus]

Sigurd, not sure if you already answered this but: on the nights you did not have a target, could you pick your own? Or were you only able to kill when and who the mafia requested?

[Sigurd]

Sigurd, not sure if you already answered this but: on the nights you did not have a target, could you pick your own? Or were you only able to kill when and who the mafia requested?

I did nothing the first nights.. Just waiting for contracts.
I guess the mafia families had to reach a certain level before they could use me.
I think I could have worked on my own the nights I had no contract. But why kill blindly?
I rather liked the innocence status.

[Myrddraal]

Yes.. I was killing mafia. And would continued doing so.

Pro-Town mafia traitors you mean.

"Dead Rat"

Your role was pro-mafia. You had an opportunity to proove you were pro-town when you were asked to disclose information publicly. You refused, because you were hurt that someone had called you don?

It doesn't stand up.

[shlin28]

Excuse me?

I meant that I'm ok for night actions...

EDIT: Reviewing the PM, I understand what you meant. At the time, I thought you were recruiting me for a protection group.

I misinterepreted the pm then

Vote Caius, revenge vote before the voting ends

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I still think that Proletariat is guilty, or at least not completely pro-town. While I wouldn't lynch her yet over others that there is more evidence towards, I'm not sure anymore about her loyalties. Not a good choice for a lynch, but also not a good choice for director.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Day Nine is finished. Write up shortly.

[Sigurd]

Pro-Town mafia traitors you mean.

Little do you know...
The Shadow who were [red section] solicited contracts from [red section], [red section] and [red section].
That said not all mafia Dons were able to use me.. hence my comment about mafia acting pro-town to hide from the scrutiny of the town. There are two Dons in your midst hiding as pro town. The three others are either hiding as lurkers or semi lurkers. You got one.. but another took his place.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

This is main thread post #2598


“No one is innocent we all commit crimes, if you’re not guilty in their eyes, you’re guilty in mine. There are only two sides and a line that divides, if you stand in the middle you’re not on my side….Won’t shed a tear, I know I am right, and if I am caught, I’ll pay the price….If you don’t make a choice it could mean your life for if you’re not on my side you’re a target in my eyes.”
-- Vegan Reich



Sunset, Day Nine


“Thank you again for selecting me as your Director. I live for the opportunity to destroy the mafia utterly. This method is a harsh regimen for justice, but we face an ancient and cunning group of thieves and murderers. Harsh justice is the only thing they will understand.”

JimBob paused, gazing at each committee member in turn.

“Hiji!”

Hiji was suddenly stiff and upright in his chair. He was quickly flanked by two of Fermanagh’s goons.

“The Committee has adjudged you guilty and thereby sentenced you to die. Do you have anything to say.”

Hiji stood, silent tears coursing down his cheeks. He spoke.

“None of us, save the Lord, is truly innocent. If this is the way I must atone for my sins, then I go willingly to the Mercy Seat. You too are sinners – all of you! I warn you to seek your own atonement!”

The committee looked at him, some incredulous, others faintly nodding. JimBob merely indicated that the officers should take him away. Hiji was bound and taken to the loading docks to be hanged where the other hangings had occurred. This time the rope was much shorter and the drop did not snap his neck. It took Hiji several minutes to strangle. Whatever visions he saw as he shuffled off this mortal coil he did not share.

“Another one executed. Guard yourselves well this night and prepare to remove more of our enemy from this town. Farewell.”

The Committee filed out of the building and off into the gathering dark of another Fatlington night.



OOC

1. Night PMs are due by 1400 EST on 27 Feb 08 (1900 GMT). I have an evening commitment with the family and want this processed for you all prior to that time.

2. Vote and Selection Tallies:


Vote To Lynch:

Hiji = 10 (BSR, Cow, CR, Ferret, Kukri, Leet, Eyeless, Sasaki, Tin, True)

Ichigo = 3 (Craterus, Haud, Grizz)

Abstain = 2 (‘blade, Xehh)

Shlin28 = 1 (Caius)


Select Director (10 & 11)

JimBob = 13 (BSR, Cow, CR, Haud, Joe, Grizz, Myrd, nerd, Sasaki, shlin, Tin, True, Xehh)

Caius = 1 (Caius)

Craterus = 1 (Craterus)

Proletariat = 1(Kukri)

[Proletariat]

Andres saying something doesn't make it wrong, Crazed Rabbit. Wasn't it you that said earlier 'lynch all liars'? You and TinCow need to start answering some of these questions. The 'Sigurd's mafia, so no need to answer. I'm protown so I don't explain things' is weak.

Andres could give us all of the remaining Don's names and they'd be perfectly safe with your tactic. You really think Andres isn't bright enough to take advantage of this?

For the townies not focusing or caring to read much of the main thread, it'd be a smart move to go back and read Louis' recent posts. There's alot of unanswered questions getting buried and it really is starting to look like the town is being taken for a major ride.

[Drisos]

Andres could give us all of the remaining Don's names and they'd be perfectly safe with your tactic. You really think Andres isn't bright enough to take advantage of this?

andres is pro-mafia. you call it bright to sell out all dons?

[Proletariat]

Taking a right when Andres says to take a left is just as stupid as taking orders from him.

[PershsNhpios]

Please... For God Sake! Please!

SOMEONE draw a line around the little group of Proletariat, Sigurd Fafnesbane and Sasaki Kojiro.

The three of them are, without warrant, protecting each other as though they all share a common courtesy behind the scenes.

JIMBOB! Why aren't you addressing this man?
You are a Holy Knight! There are many things that point to Proletariat!
Who here on the forum is most fitting of ballet slippers??!

Please, I cannot say very much, for I am dead.
But please, tie a lasso around these names.
Proletariat, Sigurd Fafnesbane, Sasaki Kojiro










On another note.
Moros was discovered with Gothic script.
Remember, Jimbob, how Moros told us of two opposite secret roles I have mentioned previously.
One was, "Light", and the other, "Shadow".

Well, I think these two roles are possible. But Moros certainly wasn't the Light.

My guess is that Seamus Fermanagh either plays Medieval: Total War, or had an advisor who adores it.
And therefore he added not only Norman Knights, but Gothic Knights to play arch enemies in the game.

That makes far greater sense.

The question then is - was there a trio of Gothic Knights also?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Hate to break the news to you Glenno, but the ballet slippers were Pannonian's idea, the Stracchi don. I shall now order my made, Omanes, to kill you tonight while wearing them.

Please, I cannot say very much, for I am dead.

Please don't - I dread to think what havoc it could wreak on my Stracchi family.

If you promise to not reveal, I swear I'll return the favour by doing whatever I can to have Sigurd lynched tomorrow.

[TinCow]

You and TinCow need to start answering some of these questions. The 'Sigurd's mafia, so no need to answer. I'm protown so I don't explain things' is weak.

I have answered many questions in great detail recently. You can find them here, here, and here. Why do I bother writing this stuff if no one is going to read it? About the only thing I have not said is the exact information that made us suspect Sigurd. Given the fact that he has admitted himself that he was a powerful mafia ally, our evidence was clearly at least partially correct, even if our guess on his role was wrong. Do I really deserve this much suspicion over that?

Also, it is utterly absurd to say that I am a Don. Here are ALL of my night actions, from the beginning:

N1: Inconclusive 'pevergreen' protection group on Pannonian (I think, PMs long deleted, don't remember the participants. Sasaki can confirm this one)
N2: Failed hit on taka with GH, Northnovas, and gibson. Failed only due to taka's luck.
N3: Failed protection of Glenn with Louis, Husar, and Leet Eriksson. Matter of record.
N4: Inconclusive protection group on someone I can't remember. PMs deleted and the backup download is on my work computer (don't tell my boss). I will post the N4 action tomorrow when I get to work, if it's really that crucial.
N5: Failed hit on Tran. Failed because one member did not get their order PM in on time.
N6: Successful hit on Factionheir.
N7: Successful hit on Northnovas.
N8: Successful hit on Tran.

If you read the write-ups for N2, N6, N7, and N8, there is no way I could have done those if I was a Don. Therefore, if I am a Don, I must be lying about participating in those hits. It should therefore be easy for someone to come forward and say that I wasn't there, because the participants would know that I wasn't with them. Please, explain to me again how I can be a Don.

[John86]

Muhahaha the game shall take a nice twist once my info is released.

[ajaxfetish]

Wow, I'm getting behind. Anyhow, here's my summary for N8, even though we've already moved past the following day.

Mafia status as of N8:

--Stracci. Don: Omanes A. (dead), Luca: Dutch Guy (dead), Made: Andres (dead), NorthNovas (dead), Former associated wise guy: LouisVI (dead), associated wise guys or mades: Tran (dead), Gibson. Calling Card: Pink ballet slippers. Victims: Drisos (detective, N1), Pannonian (wise guy, N3), Motep (wise guy, N5), Louis VI (presumed wise guy, N6), attempted hits on GH (N2, N3), Proletariat (N4), Craterus (N6), Sasaki (N7), Brave Sir Robin (N7).

--Corleone. Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Tiberius of the Drake (dead). Have called for a mafia truce through Tiberius and TosaInu.

--Tataglia. Family member: Makanyane (according to JimBob's contacts). Have responded to the Corleones' call for truce, according to TosaInu's second relayed communication.

--Barzini. (Rose group according to Louis), associated wise guy: Ichigo (according to Louis)

--Cunnio.

Religious Weather Balloon group. Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Unknown. Calling Card: Weather balloons and religious paraphernalia. Victims: Glenn (crusader?, N3), Beefy (townie, N3), The Stranger (townie, N3), GH (wise guy, N4), attempted hits on Glenn (N2) and Proletariat (N4, N5, N6?). I had this group pegged as the Corleones based on a statement by Louis. This last day he expressed doubt about his own statement, so I've separated the two. This family made an explosive entrance on night 3, but seems to have been a one-night wonder.

Rose group (Barzinis according to Louis). Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Unknown, associated wise guys if any: unknown. Calling Card: Rose and a preference for explosives. Victims: Zorg (wise guy, N3), Moros (N4, wise guy or wolf-type character), Chimpyang (townie, N5, black rose), Lt. Pinard (townie, N6), attempted hit on CR (N6, white rose), possible attempted hit on Proletariat (N4). This family started out consistent, but seems to have since fizzled.

Italian Destiny group. Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Unknown, associated wise guys if any: unknown. Calling Card: an Italian phrase (destiny is inexorable). Victims: Kamikhaan (townie, N5), ajaxfetish (townie, N6), Husar (N7), Sarathos (N8). While the other families have been seemingly inert of late, this family, though late to start in on the killings, has been murdering consistently since night 5.

Omanes suspected Sigurd to be the don of the Barzinis, JimBob asserted he was the don of the Corleones. Sigurd claimed before his death to be the 'king of hearts' hitman, and others have agreed this is probably correct.

For anyone who loves symmetry, the Straccis, Weather Balloon group, Rose group, and Italian Destiny group have each had 4 successful kills so far, so 4x4. The 5th family (Cunnios have been referenced the least thus far) probably never got off the ground.

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Musings:

xdeathfire and twilightblade have both fled to the police immediately after being attacked (xdeath on N1, twilight on N5). They may have a similar role, and this action would seem to suggest it's a pro-town one.

Lone killers with calling cards or consistent modi operandi
--.577 Webley. A rogue killer of unknown motivation. A single individual using the same weapon shot Kommodus (luca, N4), Woad&Fangs (wise guy, N5), and Makanyane (suspected mafia, (N8). Based on the type of victims, this killer may be protown.
--King of Hearts. Another lone killer (probably Sigurd) is operating, using knives and leaving King of Hearts playing cards. He participated in killing Woad & Fangs (wise guy, N5) and Louis VI (presumed wise guy, N6), and attempted a kill on TinCow (N7).

Prole's attack was certainly very interesting. It seems EMFM was the tenacious killer who kept making attempts on her life even after assorted mafia families gave up. He is bursting to share his reasons but prevented by the rules until game's end. Prole's defender is confirmed as a surgeon instead of a luca due to his potential to take down an attacker.

--Society for Creative Anachronism. Successful hits on FactionHeir (made, N6), Northnovas (N7), Tran (N8), failed hit on Tran (N5) due to a late pm, and another failed one on Tran (N7) for unclear reasons, apparently luck.


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Post-mortem results:

17 pro-town
Townie: Lord Winter, Beefy, taka, the Stranger, FahadI, killfr3nzy, Sapi, Xiahou, Rhythmic, molonthegreat, Chimpyang, Kamikhaan, ajaxfetish, Lt. Pinard
Detective: Drisos
Crusader?: Glenn, Rob the Celt

12 neutral
Wise Guy: Pevergreen, Hannibal, Pannonian, Zorg, GH, x-Danger, Moros (though Moros may be an unaffiliated mafia member), Motep, WarmasterHorus, Woad&Fangs, Xdeathfire, LouisVI (though Seamus write-up was not specific on his starting role)

5 mafia
Made: Tiberius (Corleone), Andres (Stracci), FactionHeir (family unknown)
Luca: Kommodus (family unknown)
Don: Omanes (Stracchi)

Ajax

[Myrddraal]

Hmmm.

Hiji's write up suggests a role. Something religious...

Frankly Jimbob, I wonder about your information. It seems to me that the latest two mafia, have had roles, but have not been mafia...

Having said that, they may be pro-mafia roles. I just wish you'd share a little more info. You don't have to say "he's mafia" to get someone lynched. Just say what role you think they have, and give your reasons (you don't have to give away sources). More discussion = good thing.

[Sigurd]

[...] Do I really deserve this much suspicion over that?

Also, it is utterly absurd to say that I am a Don. Here are ALL of my night actions, from the beginning:

[comment by Sigurd]: 5 Attempted hits, 3 successful. He lives and I am dead.

If you read the write-ups for N2, N6, N7, and N8, there is no way I could have done those if I was a Don. Therefore, if I am a Don, I must be lying about participating in those hits. It should therefore be easy for someone to come forward and say that I wasn't there, because the participants would know that I wasn't with them. Please, explain to me again how I can be a Don.

You make the mistake of assuming a Don can't successfully participate in vigilante groups.

Also... someone must be able to add 2 and 2 together? Ask yourselves, why was TinCow attacked by the Hitman and why did he survive?

[Makanyane]

Sorry about the dead not going quietly into the night but I think you might be missing something on the 'Prole is definitely innocent because she was protected by a surgeon' thingy

Note: Townies participating in a “vigilante” killing who end up operating solo, by happenstance or betrayal, run a risk of being killed (1 chance in 3). Wise Guys or Mafiosi operating solo run a risk of being identified (1 chance in 6).

So EMFM could have just got clobbered for working alone, if he started as a vig killer and got stuck on target.... ?

[Haudegen]

You make the mistake of assuming a Don can't successfully participate in vigilante groups.

On what do you base your assumption? From Seamus´s description it seems that dons can only kill if their families are dead.

A Don normally cannot kill opponents during a “night” phase, and must work through others. Normally, however, they appear as “innocent” if investigated by a detective or made, so they can camouflage themselves well. Even the FBI detective is unlikely to spot them. If the Don has lost all the other members of her/his family, they may perform 1 kill per “night” phase. However, subsequent to any such killing they will be identified as “guilty” if investigated by a detective, and “criminal” if investigated by a made.

Omanes made that claim several days ago, but when I asked him about it, he didn´t give any further explanations.

Also... someone must be able to add 2 and 2 together? Ask yourselves, why was TinCow attacked by the Hitman and why did he survive?

Good question. I see three possibilities:

a) a Don´s "luck factor"
b) some unknown "luck factor", as various townies have survived under unclear circumstances so far (taka on night 2)
c) someone used a role blocking ability against the Hitman

And the "why" question: Hmm, from what I gather, the Hitman was mostly used against people who betrayed the mafia. TC himself stated that he was working undercover in the "new Stracci family". Seems to make sense that he was targeted, doesn´t it?