Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

[Myrddraal]

I'll Vote: Craterus for now. I think we should keep CR alive for now.

Jimbob please step forward. You claim to be in contact with 4 detectives, cross reference the detective results and check for inconsitencies, do they match CR's claim?

[Myrddraal]

All he has to do is explain exactly how he infiltrated the meeting. If he won't do this even when faced with death then it's obvious he can't and must be a don. Don't sidestep.

Good point, you still haven't explained that minor detail. You also realise the the faster you post this, the more convincing it will be. Louis' doctored notes a day late come to mind.


Current Tally: Based on Count Arach's tally in post 2687

Crazed Rabbit 5 (Sasaki, CA, Joe Monks, Prole, Kage)
Craterus - 5 (CR, EliteFerret, TinCow, Cowhead, Myrddraal)
Charge - 1 (Xehh II)
Gibsong - 1 (Craterus)
Elite Ferret - 1 (TP)

[Andres]

All he has to do is explain exactly how he infiltrated the meeting. If he won't do this even when faced with death then it's obvious he can't and must be a don. Don't sidestep.

Oh come on. Give him an extra day to fabricate fake pm's and e-mails.

Why are you always so cruel?

[TinCow]

Oh come on. Give him an extra day to fabricate fake pm's and e-mails.

Why are you always so cruel?

You are a wicked, wicked man, Andres. Have you ever considered a career in law?

[Andres]

You are a wicked, wicked man, Andres. Have you ever considered a career in law?

*cough*

[Crazed Rabbit]

I did explain it, several times to multiple people!

Here's the emails:
(note, the first are at the bottom)

Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:34:31 -0800
From: capo.org@gmail.com
To: don1_capodetutticapi@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Capo

I appreciate your caution.

But I remind you of the rules - no dead person can send off their role PM. Omanes was hung a while ago - and he would have had to give his PM to me before then. And assuming he set out on his pro-town path before his execution, why would I wait to contact you?

I have nothing urgent to discuss.

Don Cunni
- Hide quoted text -


On Feb 17, 2008 1:58 PM, Don Capi wrote:

Not at all, dear Don Cunni.

It is just that you are late. We are contemplating if too late.
Don Stracchi has obviously gone pro town since he believes he has been betrayed by another family.
He could have given his pm to someone who shouldn't have one.

I am waiting for the other Dons and their reply.

You did however quote the wrong sentence (sentence no.2 in paragraph A), but I took it as intentional to see if I had the same pm.

Do you have matters of importance to discuss before this night's deadline?

Don C.

Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:37:43 -0800

From: capo.org@gmail.com
To: don1_capodetutticapi@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Capo


What is this? You respond to my first email quickly, but then cut off contact?

Is this some ruse or scheme to let the Corleone family lead the other mafia families around by the nose?

Or perhaps a plan for you to cement your power. It is adversity you desire, then so be it.


On Feb 17, 2008 12:29 PM, Vinny The Fish wrote:

Cunnio

"Your death is part of the victory conditions for the other Dons, and will also severely limit your families chance of success as creating a new Don is time-consuming."

So we see why anonymity is important.


On Feb 17, 2008 12:12 PM, Don Capi wrote:

You need to answer the 4 questions outlined under before this conversation will continue.
In turn you might ask me something from your Don role pm...
Until then,

Don C.

1. Your family name.
2. The codeword in parenthesis in the first section (Victory conditions) - Answered
3. The third word in the first section (Victory conditions) - Answered
4. Quote sentence no.1 in paragraph A (General) from the section Powers & Responsibilities.



Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:51:25 -0800
From: capo.org@gmail.com
To: Don1_CapoDeTuttiCapi@hotmail.com
Subject: Capo


Greetings,
I have thought about your idea of a truce, so that we may not kill ourselves for the town. Of course, the victory conditions preclude us all from winning, but it is better that one of our noble families wins than the 'townies'.

"You are the boss of a crime family, and your goal is to take over Fatlington and become the Capo de Tutti Capi (Captain of Captains). To do this, you will need to eliminate all of the other Dons and establish a crime family that outnumbers the remaining Mafiosi and citizens of the town."

Salude! I look forward to collaboration with you.

As can be seen, I quoted the whole first paragraph of the Don PM, knowing the code words would be in there somewhere, and then quoted and got lucky for the 4th question.

CR

[LittleGrizzly]

Think ill go with TC idea and wait for a day to check out the result on... whatever her name is....

Vote Craterus

we selecting a director today as well ?

[LittleGrizzly]

Tally as of post 2737
Craterus - 6 (CR, EliteFerret, TinCow, Cowhead, Myrddraal, LittleGrizzly)
Crazed Rabbit 5 (Sasaki, CA, Joe Monks, Prole, Kage)
Charge - 1 (Xehh II)
Gibsong - 1 (Craterus)
Elite Ferret - 1 (TP)

[Crazed Rabbit]

If Makayane is not a Luca, please feel free to lynch me. But don't be an idiot and do so before then because Mr 'i fear what I can't understand' wants you to.

Indeed, Sasaki's arguments are full of holes.

For one, how can the Don PM be radically different, giving me no chance to infiltrate (which was a great boon to the town, and I shared info with Jimbob about it, and yet now I am close to dying because of it) and yet when I post my FBI role PM, Sasaki shrugs it off as 'generic'.

CR

[Kagemusha]

If Makayane is not a Luca, please feel free to lynch me. But don't be an idiot and do so before then because Mr 'i fear what I can't understand' wants you to.

Indeed, Sasaki's arguments are full of holes.

For one, how can the Don PM be radically different, giving me no chance to infiltrate (which was a great boon to the town, and I shared info with Jimbob about it, and yet now I am close to dying because of it) and yet when I post my FBI role PM, Sasaki shrugs it off as 'generic'.

CR

Maybe because what was needed to get in the Don meeting was word from word accuracy right? And are the role pm´s the same as Capo I from word to word? No way. You are basically claiming that you got into iit by luck. Well that sounds hardly credible at all.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I said your fbi pm was generic because it looked like you took the format to this games pm's (which has been posted publically) and added a bit from last game's fbi pm.

I don't find your email convincing but I'm willing to let it go until tomorrow. You want us to believe that the first section is exactly the same as last game, that the "codeword" was actually a code phrase, that this quote:

"Your death is part of the victory conditions for the other Dons, and will also severely limit your families chance of success as creating a new Don is time-consuming."

Is also exactly the same, and appears in section 2 (where the townie red text appears) even though Omanes revealed that the don pm has red text, and that Don Corleone believed you were testing him when you said it was from section 1. I find it extremely doubtful. You didn't have any reason not to quote those earlier.

[TinCow]

Maybe because what was needed to get in the Don meeting was word from word accuracy right? And are the role pm´s the same as Capo I from word to word? No way. You are basically claiming that you got into iit by luck. Well that sounds hardly credible at all.

Sounds more like an incompetent 'Don Capo' to me. He didn't do a whole lot to validate CR's attempt to get in.

[TruePraetorian]

Unvote: Elite Ferret
Vote: Crazed Rabbit


Just read through the last 2 pages...

So far all i have seen ar numerous posts of the exact stuff i said earlier. People are popping in, voting with the crowd to seem unsuspicious, then fading out and waiting for the next night phase..we've done this every day phase so far, and at the last count more townies/neutrals (wiseguys) are dead then are mafia.

Everyone who is voting take a step back. I vote Crazed Rabbit because after reading the previous two pages, every accusation against him that seems plausible is denied or ignored by himself. That leaves everyone to vote for Craterus..

Can anyone please explain the charges on Craterus? Seems to me that its all a bandwagon..started by CR to distract attention from himself..read page 90. He is accusing Craterus of posting early and accusing, yet he is doing the exact same thing.

FoS - Craazed Rabbit

I would like to find out what went on at the meeting. AFAIK, to get in he must've had the Don's post to get in. Either that, or his "sneaking in" was actually not a sneaking in at all...for all we know he probably co-ordinated the meering himself.

Either way, where has bandwagoning gotten us in the past?

[Sigurd]

Just before everyone goes running un-voting CR.

I can't disclose who the real FBI agent is since I didn't before I was lynched.
But may I refer to things that happened before I was lynched:

Remember,
It was me who first claimed the FBI results were bogus.
It was me who first received parts of the FBI pm from the real FBI agent or someone close to him/her.
I repeatedly accused the JimBob/CR/TinCow clan of fabricating these results and got lies as answers.

Look at TinCow's post:

If we decide Sigurd is likely Don, and to go after him in the day phase as a lynch, one of you (Jimbob?) should post in the thread that you received results from the FBI detective, who investigated Sigurd twice and got the result that he was the Don. I can give you a believable result from Seamus, and assure you that no one else will (truthfully) claim the role. And if they do, we know they're mafia scum.

I have highlighted a little different than TinCow and show you that CR in this pm didn't know about the 1/36 and 1/18 investigations.
Note that the new FBI agent pm has these probability results ... and notably after I revealed them in my posts while I was still alive.
The quote is not mistakable. CR claims he got two guilty results on me. This would be quite illogical considering the chances of getting a result on a Don.

I congratulate the town for catching one of the Dons, one of the two who never made contact with the hitman.

[LittleGrizzly]

Im just curious as to how we have a specific role assiociated to the lady but in cr's published results i just seen guilty or innocent next to names...

Im not going to vote CR this round but he is looking very suspicious...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Old capo townie:

Your basic mode for success is to vote to lynch Mafiosi, eventually removing the mafia threat from Fatlington and creating a town win.

New capo Townie:

You achieve victory by voting to lynch suspicious individuals and/or participate personally in their removal until such time as: a) all of the Mafia Dons, original and created, have been killed and b) the remaining townies and unaligned WiseGuys outnumber the remaining Mafiosi. Your personal survival, though important, is secondary to the overall success of the town.

Now, if you were trying to convince someone that you were a townie in this game, and they asked you to quote the third word from my second quote and you sent them the first quote do you think they would believe you? No. Not in the slightest. So how is it possible that Don corleone believe CR when he quoted the old Don pm, even if he is incompetent as TinCow suggests? It's not.


You mind sending us the link to the don board CR?

[Crazed Rabbit]

Denied or ignored?!

I've answered every single lame accusation here.

I can't believe this. Why can't we wait until Mak's role is revealed?

Sigurd, you're a filthy liar. Plus you didn't even read my PM:

Note that the new FBI agent pm has these probability results ... and notably after I revealed them in my posts while I was still alive.

Your results also include some chance (1 in 6, 1 in 36 for Dons) to determine that player’s role. Subsequent investigations of the same person are possible and will give you a 3 in 6 chance to learn their role (1 in 6 for Dons)

1/18 is not equal to 1 in 6. Gee, looks like you're caught lying.

Im just curious as to how we have a specific role assiociated to the lady but in cr's published results i just seen guilty or innocent next to names...

Im not going to vote CR this round but he is looking very suspicious...

Read the freaking role PM! Second investigations give a 1/2 chance, not a 1/6 chance, to identify the role, and GH has his role listed by him.

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Denied or ignored?!

I've answered every single lame accusation here.

You always tend to skip over mine until forcibly reminded...

[LittleGrizzly]

Read the freaking role PM! Second investigations give a 1/2 chance, not a 1/6 chance, to identify the role, and GH has his role listed by him.

ok, ok, this was brought up by someone else in the chat, seen as i have no idea what an FBI role pm looks like i didn't really pay much attention to it as it means nothing to me.

The main suspicion i have left is the mixture of luck and incompetence which allowed you into the don meeting, im pretty sure you said everything to do with this so it just comes down to trust now...

[TruePraetorian]

Lame accusations? They aren't "lame". Instead, they are true accusations, that is why you so rigourously defend yourself.

CR, please explain, what was the third word? How did you guess it? Do tell us, oh "truthful" CR, how did you get into the Don meeting??

As Sasaaki pointed out in a post above, there is no possible way that you could guess all of the answers and get them correct..unless you yourself devised the meeting or you have borrowed someone elses roll PM...in which case you know a Don...and I doubt if you know a don that makes you pro-town.


Again:
FoS: CR

[Crazed Rabbit]

But I have answered them all the same.

Now, if you were trying to convince someone that you were a townie in this game, and they asked you to quote the third word from my second quote and you sent them the first quote do you think they would believe you? No. Not in the slightest. So how is it possible that Don corleone believe CR when he quoted the old Don pm, even if he is incompetent as TinCow suggests? It's not.

And yet my FBI role PM, which contains no flaws because it is the real PM, no minor imperfections anyone has pointed out, somehow is fake?

CR

[TruePraetorian]

Didnt want to edit as it might be pushed back, but read this ill make it nice and big for ya:


If you got into the Don meeting and have openly admitted it over and over again, then why haven't the Mafia killed you yet???


'Nough said.

[Crazed Rabbit]

TP- read the freaking emails!

Geez, I'm sick of being accused by people who haven't a clue what they're talking about.

CR

[Crazed Rabbit]

Didnt want to edit as it might be pushed back, but read this ill make it nice and big for ya:

If you got into the Don meeting and have openly admitted it over and over again, then why haven't the Mafia killed you yet???


'Nough said.

1) I only told pro-town people before Sasaki.

2) There's a truce, you .

3) If I was a Don, I'd have a luca, making attacking me pointless.

4) The mafia thinks it's better to kill the townies before turning on each other.

That enough reasons for you?

CR

[TruePraetorian]

TP- read the freaking emails!

Geez, I'm sick of being accused by people who haven't a clue what they're talking about.

CR

And this is the Rabbit running out of excuses

CR, you say you're sick of being accused of people who lack the information right? Then why did you accuse Craterus?? To throw suspicion at someone else of course. But no, it backfired because everyone caught on..now you are running from Elmer Fudd and his rifle, silly rabbit.

Tell me, if you are not a hippocrate then why did you accuse Craterus?

[TruePraetorian]

1) I only told pro-town people before Sasaki.

2) There's a truce, you

3) If I was a Don, I'd have a luca, making attacking me pointless.

4) The mafia thinks it's better to kill the townies before turning on each other.

That enough reasons for you?

CR

I like numbers 3 and 4 the best

If the Mafia would rather kill townies, then you are claiming to be a Don in that sentence...since you are saying "there is a truce"..didnt that only apply to the Dons? Now everyone "knows" your not a don..making you a townie with information...giving the Mafia prime reason to kill you.

Nice contridicting yourself.

EDIT: I like 3 also. Read his post carefully if i confused anyone. GTG, so ill reply to this liar later

[Haudegen]

1) I only told pro-town people before Sasaki.

How is it possible that Sigurd knew about it some days ago?

[Crazed Rabbit]

Apparently some pro-town dead people talk more than you'd expect.

Then why did you accuse Craterus??

Why don't you read my post saying why I did so?

If the Mafia would rather kill townies, then you are claiming to be a Don in that sentence...since you are saying "there is a truce"..didnt that only apply to the Dons? Now everyone "knows" your not a don..making you a townie with information...giving the Mafia prime reason to kill you.

Yes, now. But not in the past. Sheesh.

CR

[Drisos]

Give it one day, people. There are other mafioso we can lynch right now. Do we really want to risk killing the FBI Detective?

This one is good advice..

Sigurd hasn't been a good boy either eh? And sasaki,.. where did his confirmed town status come from? Let's not rush on the bandwagon on CR. Impossible to tell which side is lying right now.. I say give it a day.

[Dutch_guy]

If the Mafia would rather kill townies, then you are claiming to be a Don in that sentence...since you are saying "there is a truce"..didnt that only apply to the Dons?

Uh what ?