Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

[Myrddraal]

nvmind, see my post above

Killing the townies is a priority.

All three of them? If you wish, but it may be your last action.

[TinCow]

I agree with Andres, killing scottish and gibson is the only way you can be sure that the town can't win.

[Andres]

I agree with Andres, killing scottish and gibson is the only way you can be sure that the town can't win.

I wasn't talking about killing scottish and gibson, you evil lawyer, you.

Prole, Caius and shlin28 need to die. We'll see about scottish and gibson later.

[TinCow]

But scottish and gibson are the wiseguys that allow the townies to kill! That's how they got rid of EF last night! If scottish and gibson are allowed to live, then the town can keep killing off the mafia!

[Myrddraal]

It doesn't matter about scottish and gibson, or about Prole Caius and shlin28. You must have missed my last post, read it!

If you need more assurance of the power of the town, I can tell you Prole and Shlin's roles:

Prole is a detective - pretty useless now.
Shlin WAS a doctor, but since the kill on EF he has lost his doctor ability.

I really don't want to see Craterus win this...

[TruePraetorian]

Why do the dead people keep trying to turn the game? Back and forth, back and forth...stop it your dead!

Anyway, Gibs and Scott are trusted members of the Cunnio. What would be the point of joining the town when you are inches away from the victory line??

Besides, if that was there plot, they had a better chance of betraying us when we were lynching Kage, but they chose not to. If they would have done it right then, then we wouldnt be in the position of power.


Last thing, you guys have to remember that the Cunnio are the peacful family! We already said "no killing townies", weve already offered the Barzini a chacne to live...why on Earth would you want to screw this up?

So dead folks, go back to the grave, for the sake of Fatlington

[Andres]

But scottish and gibson are the wiseguys that allow the townies to kill! That's how they got rid of EF last night! If scottish and gibson are allowed to live, then the town can keep killing off the mafia!

Lies!

a) scottish and gibson alone can only perform mafia sanctioned kills. They would need a third Wiseguy if they want to perform a pro-town hit.
b) They are Wiseguys and have the possibility to stick to their current family. shlin, Prole, TB and (possibly) Caius (assuming he is still a townie) don't have that option.

Anyway, it's too early for the mafia to start butchering each other. The threat of the town is still there.

[Myrddraal]

Last thing, you guys have to remember that the Cunnio are the peacful family! We already said "no killing townies", weve already offered the Barzini a chacne to live...why on Earth would you want to screw this up?

If you needed proof that what I said is true, there it is. Now go back and read the my post on the last page, and consider your fate!

[TruePraetorian]

WE DID NOT KILL ELITE FERRET!!!!

Seriously stop accusing us! We did not kill EF!! We have myself, and Xehh II. Now we have the edition of Gibson and Scottish. So, this proves you are wrong and trying to trick them. think:


Kage wanted to win also. Who had 5 members last night?? Who killed Iron? They did. So what were the other two killers doing? A luca to protect...IT STILL LEAVES ! MAFIOSO!!. I honestly bet it was CA, since im pretty sure he is a made. Therefore, Caius told Kage about killing EF, and Kage sent in one of his Mafia to help. Therefore:
1.one of the townies either didnt show up, instead one of the intended killers attacked with a mafia.
2. Myrddraal is lying and trying to get Gibs and Scott to join the town, or trying to get us to kill gibs and Scott because he is working with another team (town/barzini), when in acutality Kage sent in the kill
3. EF was killed by his own family.


Now tell me which one sounds more reasonable...nice try Myddraal...

[Husar]

1 unknown factor (Prole), could be anything: doctor, Wiseguy, detective, surgeon, secret power role (perfectly possible, you know, remember how she was always protected when attacked?)...

Hilarious!

[Andres]

Yes, it was the town who killed EF! I wrote the write up, it was intentionally vague about how many killers there were, implying two. However, it was not our intention to kill him!

We believed he had a Luca, we only had two alive townies online (one of them may have been a wise guy, Caius). The plan was to have a failed hit on EF. We intended it to look like a failed mafia hit, which failed because of a Luca protection.

Caius discussed all of this with Craterus, who promised he would not kill any townies if we vote Kage the next day.

But the hit succeeded! There weren't enough townies for the hit to succeed, but there was a town contribution. Craterus must have sent a wise guy to make our attack succeed.

This has to be a lie. Kill orders must be like this: "Killing with X, Y and Z, target W", sent to Seamus by each participant.

If X and Y would send it like this:

"Killing with X and Y, target W"

And Z like this:

"Killing W tonight"

Then we would have two failed attempts on EF.

So now you know the whole truth. Craterus has been manipulating you, and the town, since the truce was first announced. Let me tell you this, Craterus manipulated the town, and I'm not too happy about that, we fought hard even to the bitter end, hatching our plan to try to trigger a war between the two families, but Craterus used us for his own ends.

You want Craterus dead, because she is the last remaining Don. You're hoping that the other families don't have enough Mades to elect a new Don, thus the dead of Craterus being = townie victory.

You risk nothing from the town.

(...)

There are three townies left alive. It would take all but 2 mafiosos to die for the town to win. That's not going to happen.

If gibs and Scottish backstab the Cunnio's, then the town have how many members? 5? Or, assuming TB is also town, 6? Wouldn't that make them the most powerful faction again?

Prole is a detective - pretty useless now.

Why would a mafioso believe you, Myrddraal?

Shlin WAS a doctor, but since the kill on EF he has lost his doctor ability.

That's nonsense.

WE DID NOT KILL ELITE FERRET!!!!

Indeed, you did not. scottish and gibson did it.

EDIT: Bah, this is too confusing and I'm dead anyway. I'll leave it at that. The living mafiosi did a far better job then me, so who am I to lecture them. Good luck guys. Just don't underestimate the townies.

[Myrddraal]

You don't believe me? Here are the PMs:

EDITED OUT FOR NOW, just in case I'm breaking the rules


This message was copied to:

Caius, Husar, Ironside, Leet Eriksson, norwegian nerd, Proletariat, Seamus Fermanagh, shlin28, Twilightblade

Who I believed to be townies. However, I have since been informed that Leet Eriksson is a traitor, and is with Kage. He can confirm that these PMs were sent. It is the truth!


You've all been duped. Dance for the master of puppets!

[Myrddraal]

Of course, I was unaware that we were being used. Crate did most of his influencing through Caius. Here's a PM, again, sent to all 'townies' including Leet:


EDITED out for now, just in case I'm breaking the rules. A living townie will re-post it shortly.

[Myrddraal]

Why so quiet Andres? Have you been deafened by the ring of truth? Or perhaps Craterus has given your strings a tug.

[Andres]

Why so quiet Andres? Have you been deafened by the ring of truth? Or perhaps Craterus has given your strings a tug.

You are dead, you can't quote pm's after dead.

Unless they are fabricated

EDITED OUT QUOTE FROM SUPPOSED GENUINE PM'S POSTED BY MYRDDRAAL.

You expect me to believe Caius wrote that?

[Husar]

You are dead, you can't quote pm's after dead.

Unless they are fabricated



You expect me to believe Caius wrote that?

Unfortunately, those PMs are in my inbox like that.

[Myrddraal]

You are dead, you can't quote pm's after dead.

I thought that was only PMs Id recieved whilst alive? Edited out for now, just in case. I'll ask a townie to post them. They were sent to many people. Including the mafioso Leet Em, ask him, they are genuine

[Andres]

Unfortunately, those PMs are in my inbox like that.

You're dead as well

Too many townies on this graveyard. I demand special treatment! Move my coffin to the VIP section of the cemetery please! And I want bodyguards to protect me against haunting townie ghosts!

[Drisos]

Lol, Andres, that sounds like you're admitting it..

btw, wasn't that rule like; you can't reveal PM's you got BEFORE you died?

[Myrddraal]

btw, wasn't that rule like; you can't reveal PM's you got BEFORE you died?

That's what I thought. I've removed the quotes for now, but they'll be back. You can't suffocate the truth!

[Andres]

btw, wasn't that rule like; you can't reveal PM's you got BEFORE you died?

Nope, that was mentioned in a fabricated Seamus or Andres-pm posted by GH.

[Kagemusha]

Are you people lame or what? scottishranger and Gibsons killed their Don. Nothing prohibits them from doing so and it would be a family hit. Really they are working for the town. Now they have infiltrated Cunnio. Now town is doing all they can in order to Cunnio and barzini attack each other. This would mean that after tonight, there would be 3 less mafia members, so the total mafia numbers would drop to 7, while actually gibsons and scottishranger are pro town. Because not any of the townies will be killed, there will be 4 townies alive. After that gibsons and scottishranger will turn their coats and town will have 6 votes against mafia 4, because Crate cant vote as director. This would mean the lynching of Craterus and a townie victory. Mafia can simply prevent this, if my guys will join the Cunnio and the game is over. I dont know why i should help you stupid Cunnio traitors,but my main goal is mafia victory, so i can bare to help you because of my own family members,to whom i wish victory and not a humiliating defeat in hands of the town.

[Ironside]

-- the dead may not discuss their night actions. SF

I didn't expect that one to actually succeed, as even if we would've been 4 vigilantes, we would've fail on the luca, so we asked for it to be seen as a failed mafia hit. Can probably explain why Seamus messed up first.

Andres, here's two interesting notes:
a) Craterus' mafia jumped clearly on a Kagemusha bandwagon, ensuring elimination. The town votes weren't enough to lynch Kage.
b) Who wouldv'e known that EF was without a luca, if not mafia? Publically it was known that 3 lucas where dead at that time and TP mentions in his Select: Craterus vote that Craterus is unprotected.
c) TP tanking the town and ask for a truce that will make them win the game, just after the Cunnio made certain that kage was lynched.

I can only quote my gotten/sent post-mortem pm right?

[Myrddraal]

scottishranger and Gibsons killed their Don.

This is false! You said yourself Kage, that the mafia cannot change their callsign. I didn't realise this, hence I used a different callsign in the kill write up. You will see when the PMs are reposted. You've been played Kage, Crate wasn't appointed by the town, he has crowned himself.

[Kagemusha]

This is false! You said yourself Kage, that the mafia cannot change their callsign. I didn't realise this, hence I used a different callsign in the kill write up. You will see when the PMs are reposted. You've been played Kage, Crate wasn't appointed by the town, he has crowned himself.

Lol!The kill sign was there. Italian phrase. Ofcourse i would be just happy if the backstabbing traitor would win.But i doubt that.

[Andres]

Andres, here's two interesting notes:
a) Craterus' mafia jumped clearly on a Kagemusha bandwagon, ensuring elimination. The town votes weren't enough to lynch Kage.
b) Who wouldv'e known that EF was without a luca, if not mafia? Publically it was known that 3 lucas where dead at that time and TP mentions in his Select: Craterus vote that Craterus is unprotected.
c) TP tanking the town and ask for a truce that will make them win the game, just after the Cunnio made certain that kage was lynched.

There are three kinds of people: those who know how to count and those who don't

a) Cunnio thought Kage broke the truce, hence they helped in getting him lynched. In fact, EF was not killed by Cunnio nor Barzini, but by his own family members, scottish and gibson. The callsign was the sign of EF's family.
b) EF's family would have known that EF is without a Luca. Now, maybe gibson and scottish were wiseguys who pretended to "join" EF and EF told them he was the last family member left. scottish and gibson saw that their "new family" was weak and backstabbed him, joining the town again.
c) Maybe he did that because he thought the Barzini's broke the truce and now he doesn't want to play with the Barzini's anymore. I think both the Cunnio's and the Barzini's have been fooled by the town in the previous night.

I can only quote my gotten/sent post-mortem pm right?

I don't think so.

[Ironside]

Are you people lame or what? scottishranger and Gibsons killed their Don. Nothing prohibits them from doing so and it would be a family hit. Really they are working for the town. Now they have infiltrated Cunnio. Now town is doing all they can in order to Cunnio and barzini attack each other. This would mean that after tonight, there would be 3 less mafia members, so the total mafia numbers would drop to 7, while actually gibsons and scottishranger are pro town. Because not any of the townies will be killed, there will be 4 townies alive. After that gibsons and scottishranger will turn their coats and town will have 6 votes against mafia 4, because Crate cant vote as director. This would mean the lynching of Craterus and a townie victory. Mafia can simply prevent this, if my guys will join the Cunnio and the game is over. I dont know why i should help you stupid Cunnio traitors,but my main goal is mafia victory, so i can bare to help you because of my own family members,to whom i wish victory and not a humiliating defeat in hands of the town.

Notice that the Cunnio's has invited scottishranger and Gibsons into thier family, without hesitation.
Now why would they do that unless they know that they know that scottishranger and Gibsons aren't pro-town? And to to know that, they need to know were the hit came from.

[Myrddraal]

The italian phrase was meant to be: "Dal Capo di Tutti Capi" This is nothing like the italian destiny callsign. It also was in an envelope, not on a scrap of parchment.

This was a play on the name of the game. The intended effect was that nobody would know who it had come from, but that person intended to become the Capo di Tutti Capi. I didn't realise the mafia couldn't change their callsign.

You will see when the PMs go back up, the PM I sent detailing the kill description. Ask your own mafioso Leet recieved all these PMs, he will confirm it is true

How could I possibly lie about PMs sent to so many people, including mafia traitors?

[Myrddraal]

a) Cunnio thought Kage broke the truce, hence they helped in getting him lynched.

That's what you were meant to think. Again, just in case I haven't said it enough, Leet E recieved all these PMs. How stupid would I have to be to fabricate PMs and claim I'd sent them to a mafioso?!?!?

[Andres]

That's what you were meant to think. Again, just in case I haven't said it enough, Leet E recieved all these PMs. How stupid would I have to be to fabricate PMs and claim I'd sent them to a mafioso?!?!?

WIFOM.

Call me paranoid if you want, but if I would have been a bit more paranoid at the beginning of this game, my family would have survived for much longer