Silly Danish/Polish

[Poncho400]

Greetings!

Ok, so I've had M2TW for a long time now. I've only completed one short campaign, and I usually give up on my other long campaigns as I grow bored/get other games. Recently I've gotten back in, and started a long campaign Medium/Medium with the Russians.

At about 12 turns in, I finally get my Rusky army over to Stockholm, and find it taken by the Danish. I remember the last time I was Russians, and they backstabbed me like crazy. So I take Stockholm from them, destroy the majority of their army, and kill one of their sons.

Here I am at turn 70, with about 5 regions (all large city/citadel or better) and I'm still "at war" with the Danish. Numerous times I've tried to negotiate a truce so I can focus my troops elsewhere, but no matter what I do, it's always a "very demanding" offer (even though they have only 5 regions and a puny army). They even had the guts to demand I become a vassal to them! Even after I've assassinated 2/3 of their family, priests, and diplomats, they still are stubborn.

To top it off, the Danes aligned with the Poles about 30 turns ago. The Poles then decided to blockade my port for ONE turn. They havn't touched me since. Just like the Danes, they accept no offer of a truce. I'm also in the process of taking out their whole family.

What the heck is wrong? I mean, it's no problem that they leave me alone, but it's really annoying that they don't even CONSIDER a truce. I'm just going to have to annihilate them all.

[Galain_Ironhide]

If you are playing vanilla 1.2 (standard m2tw - no mods), the diplomacy system can, well to be truthful, be damn impossible.

If you have a bad reputation (untrustworthy or worse), striking a deal with them may be tricky.

Offer a big cash deal or one that lasts over a period of time. Even offer to give back stockholm if you want to concentrate some where else, you can always stab them in the back again at a later date. Unless the offer is considered 'Generous' or 'Very Generous' you probably wont even get a look in.

My resolution to those who do not want peace is WAR!!! Wipe em out style.

Good Luck

[WhiskeyGhost]

All factions tend to hate the player in Vanilla. Especially since on hard/v hard you get that nasty little modifier towards "I hate your guts" every turn. Then theres all that other stuff, like if your winning, they attack you, if you look weak, they attack you, if you mind your own business, they attack you, etc etc

[Guru]

Make them an offer and they might update their priorities. Sometimes it works. In my byz campaign, the Venetians were reduced to their capital only and I had a huge army outside, led by no other than Emperor Whats-his-name-again the merciless. Still, they considered a truce to be very demanding. Nevertheless, I made the offer and they refused and were pretty angry. However their priorities were updated to "peace", and when I asked them to become vassals, the venetians considered it a balanced deal and agreed. Go figure.
I was playing LTC so I dont really know if it works in vanilla, but it might be worth a try.

[Poncho400]

Yea I'm using vanilla. I've never run into many problems to consider updating (maybe I will now, will that affect my saves?).

I've already tried about 5 times to ask for peace. Both the Poles and Danes strongly refuse.

But no worries. I have a fresh commander headed to my Citadel, where my massive army will be built. I'll ask for peace once more before I obliterate them all. If I feel sorry for them, I'll just ask them to become vassals.

[Empirate]

I strongly, strongly recommend you get Lusted's Lands to Conquer (LTC) mod. It installs itself in a different folder, so you can still use your old vanilla .exe, and it provides lots of little changes that make the game more fun. One big change is that diplomacy actually works: People agree to sensible offers, they even send diplomats to you to negotiate a truce if you've been trouncing them, and you can pretty much turtle in peace if that's your priority.