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    This is the official thread for askthepizzaguy's ultimate HRE campaign against the entire world. Please refer to the following link for the Blitz All Provinces challenge, rules and posted results from challengers. Please upload your challenges to the official Blitz All Challenge thread.

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    The Campaign opens with a sudden attack on Florence to crush the rebel spirits there, while pushing into position an assault force for Milan.



    Also, pushing towards Zagreb to block in the Venetians/Hungarians.



    The predictable assaults on Hamburg and Magdeburg.



    I welcome oppurtunities for alliance. Florins, maps, trade rights, and military access in exchange for what... promises I won't keep?



    Turn two: an adopted general for the Holy Reich. He will push towards Prague.



    Our mission has always BEEN to take magdeburg. Love the troop incentive, though.



    Bye, bye Florence.



    Standard assault formation. Archers spread out, spears in the back, general at the ready. Weakest unit gets the ram.



    The gates are smashed, and any resistance has fled the scene due to our arrows.



    I charge PAST the enemy towards the town center... I outflank them with spears from behind as they turn to face the Kaiser.

    Think they can win? I doubt it.


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    Certainly not without their leader.



    Leave none alive... I loathe running the clock to win victory. I did that only once.



    A new veteran warrior and another chivarly point for the Kaiser.



    Captain Markus outnumbers the garrison at Hamburg with better troops to boot.



    Training knights in my castles... moving to checkmate the Milanese fools.



    Magdeburg and Prague fall next turn.



    A stroke of good fortune, or merely my skills? I moved a worthless peasant towards Rome to invite them to send a diplomat. The gambit pays off.



    Zagreb falls to the might of the Reich's... 21 soldiers?



    It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas...
    Ev'rywhere you go


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    Take a look at the red blood glistening once again
    With heavy lances and and swords aglow.



    It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas
    Bodies sprawled in every corner



    But the prettiest sight to see is the Kaiser that will be
    On your own front door.



    A pair of Bodyguards and a horse that gallops fast
    Is the wish of Leopold



    Rebels that will talk and will go for a walk
    Is the hope of Leopolds men;



    And the general can hardly wait for this battle to come to an end.
    It's beginning to look a lot like Victory
    Fought well out in the snow



    There's a victory for our men, for the rebels were too slow again
    Probably because it's twenty degrees below



    It's beginning to look a lot like Victory
    Soon the crusade will start



    And the thing that will make them merry is the sword that I will bury
    Right through your heart.


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    Milan is bullied by a gang of the Kaiser's finest.



    Charge!



    An honourable victory, my Holy Kasier!



    Let this Count Bernardo perish on the field, with his throat opened for the crows.



    This battle hardly seems fair.



    Life isn't always fair.



    Maximillian Mandorf joins the crusade and takes Prague with crusaders!



    Another V for the HRE



    I take Breslau in the same turn. O fortune, why hast thou smiled upon me?



    Advancing North.


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    I cannot quite push these idiots off of my land yet...



    Another honourable man is ready to be made a general.



    Time to crush the schwein!



    Don't let your opponent suffer. Cut off his head.



    Outflanked, outmanned, outmatched.



    I have such delightful arrows to rain down upon thee, and spears to impale you with should you attempt to resist.



    The fools go down fighting. Their bravery does not make up for their idiocy. A brave fool is just a dead fool.



    Another dead fool slain by the Reich.



    Von Kassel brings this battle to a close.



    And so ends the short history of Milan. Just the first of many vermin to be exterminated by the Holy Reich!


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    Leopold assembles a neat little rabble, and prepares to set off by sea to attack the byzantines.



    Zoom, zoom, zoom.

    Yeah, zoom zoom. My Kaiser is on a one way trip to Arguin.



    Oslo, here I come...



    Die, you rebel scum.



    An heroic victory over our inferiors.



    That Danish guy thinks he can beat the Reich to Antwerp... he's wrong!



    NOW I take Bern. Simple matter with crusaders.



    Oh what fun it is to die.... by the hands of peasant archers?



    Outnumbered, we conquer.

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    I adopt you, and I adopt you, and I also adopt you.... mmmm Generals.



    More knights to recruit? Sure! My cities love to assist in the battle against the Reich's enemies.



    All too easy.



    Those 11 men did not die in vain.



    How to make a general, part one:

    First, find wandering rebels.

    Then, attack with a captain.

    Part two: uh... that's all.



    -What about our infantry, sire?

    -Just attack with the horses... who needs them?



    I cut off your head and flatulate down your throat.



    Another clear victory.



    Captain Wenzel just got promoted.



    I skip on down to smash those Corinthians.

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    Stettin falls to the might of the armies of Christ.



    Not bad for an auto-res. Time's a wastin.



    Quick recap: Turn 5, 17 provinces taken. Could have been more, but I'm speeding towards the map's four corners.



    Speedy...



    Speedy...



    Aaaaaaand more speedy...



    And another adoptee...



    And another Teutonic knights guild...



    And another clear victory...


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    And another...



    And another...



    Zippity zop flippity flop and that's what the jazz is all about. You see, jazz is like kodak film. No, wait. Jazz is like jell-o pudding. These kids today with the hippity hop and the backwards hats and the baggy pants.



    Oslo always puts up a good fight.



    Stockholm, not so much.



    Riga, even less so.



    I fought in Granada, man.



    Ja, my Sultan, the Reich appreciates your death.



    More fools to put down...



    Charge.

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    Be a good little boy and die, already.



    The Prince follows his father's example and expires.



    Bwahahaha... I use the Danes to help take the city. What idiots.



    And that's what the Reich is all about.



    Mmm... Rennes Zellwegger.

    Maybe you don't think she's cute, but I do.



    I take Bordeaux before the Spanish.



    Could have left the crusade, here... but I have something else in mind... total annihilation of the French.



    Another seige... another win. Bit repetitive.



    Another gate falls.



    Another captain slain. All in a days work.


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    Same old, same old.



    To Antioch.



    Another adoptee...



    Cordoba falls to overwhelming forces...



    as does Thessalonica...



    Another V...



    Another captain-led battle...



    Another general...



    YAY! A real garrison to fight, for a change! Go Belgians!



    The gates will fall.

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    And so they have fallen.



    Watch me plow through them.



    Charge past them, turn around, surround n pound.



    67% dead already. One third left.



    Very gutt. What else do you want me to kill?



    A great victory for the glory of the Holy Reich!



    Turn 8, regions controlled, 30. I would have had more by now, but I am heading for the corners of the map.



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    A very hard fought battle against horse archers ends in victory for the Reich.



    The Jourdanian ambassador wishes to speak to you, mein Kaiser.

    -Just kill him, already!


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    Another captain led battle against neutral Spain.



    Another general.



    Death to Russia.



    Guess what happens next. Come on, guess.



    Yeah, that's right. I promote one of my generals to family member.



    Let's see... 691 men, with artillery, infantry, archers, and heavy cavalry, versus 60 cavalry. Odds are... even?
    Someone fix the auto calculator.



    Why do people even bother building gates?
    This is one of the few times I use ballista.



    Their Doge is slain by militia men.



    They do put up a fight before I put them to their deaths...



    Quick seige of Acre and I will head towards my goal.

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    Another pathetic province for me to take. I would have thought this particular city would be worth more than that. Supposedly an ancient trading hub... reduced to a portless little castle wannabe.



    I slay rebels to promote another.



    Adolf Who?



    More Teutons.



    Moving on...



    Getting tedious...



    Holy God... A REAL FIGHT!!! YAAAAAAAAAY!!!!



    Guess who wins. Come on, guess.

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    Yeah that's right. I slew them ALL. Every last one of them. No "running the clock out" victory.



    I killed a few more of them than they did of me.



    Checkmate in two.



    Prepared to take Denmark.



    Russians lose to crusades. It's that simple.



    Need I say more?



    Taking Jerusalem.



    The Kaiser goes on his mystical journey, wandering the desert for 40 years.



    Wolfgang is a good name for the leader of a pack of vicious killing machines.



    36 regions by turn 10. Not bad. Could have been better... 4 corners of the map and such.


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    Anyone else getting Deja vu?



    A pleasure to have metz you.



    And another victory.



    It wasn't necessary to rush to take these, the corners determine the turn of the win, not the interior provinces.



    A simple diversion while I wait for the crusade to end, and then take over Sicily.



    Hey look, it's our friends the Holy Roman Empire, arriving with gifts of artillery for us. How nice of them!



    And with such heavy infantry, the seige is all too easy.
    Err... well, I did have some knights on foot. That's very rare.



    my middle name is victory.



    MMMMM... Pillaging Florins...

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    I take Damascus, I take Antioch...



    I take Moscow.



    Running short on time and troops.



    Could I possibly... win... this battle?



    Come on, it's not like the first question on Millionaire. This one was a tough call.



    Russia goes down in a blaze of stupidity.



    Rebels need to learn how to attack. Otherwise I can get away with things like this.



    Money is good.



    Wanna see me win this battle?
    No, I pull a Sir Robin and run away. I take Nicaea, though.



    Turn 12.... things are about to go DOWN today.

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    I was betrayed by France? The shame! Who cares?



    No comment.



    No comment. All too easy.



    Slay captain. Keep moving.



    Finish them.



    Can you say... checkmate?



    And... promotion?



    Do my Teutons even need backup?

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    Smashy smashy!



    Leave none alive...



    Captain Elderberries smells kind of like your father.



    I'm not kidding. His name is Hajji.



    And another one bites the dust.



    Rasputin puts a killin on them.



    Holy Crusade, batman!



    Only 9 chivalry? Could do better...



    Yeah, don't want to leave him here. Antioch might explode. Check out the authority, glory, and fear bonuses.
    What's excommunication, and why should I care?


    Things are about to get even bloodier. Watch this.

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    DIE!



    And... dead.



    Pope doesn't seem to care that I'm a mass murderer.



    DIE!



    Yeah, that's right. I am soooo fighting this battle.
    CHAAAAAAARGE!!!!



    Pull over honey, I think we hit something.



    Takes care of everyone but the Roi.



    Cue the Braveheart music.



    Charge! Charge! Charge!



    Mmm... downhill, overwhelming heavy cavalry charge.


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    you could save the frames and watch the slide show in super slow motion.



    Look closely. My general kills their general. Nifty!



    There were French people here? I didn't even notice.



    Uh... yeah. Could win this battle, but not gonna try. Need troops against French for now.



    Another one spawns.



    I take another province.



    Leopold wins again.



    Yeah I had some cash to burn, so I thought... why not invest in our future? The income is badly needed now.



    Welf gonna kill you.



    Thank you for being dead.



    43 by turn 12. Could be better.



    Not too shabby. This record has been beaten, but honestly I wasn't even going for it. I was heading for a long term victory.

    But then again... why not try to make it better? Let's redo turn 11. Needs improvement.


    We're almost at the halfway point.

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    Ok, redoing turn 11. Looking for a massive KO.



    Planning to finish the Venetian scum.



    Jerusalem falls once again, for the first time. Much better outcome.



    Guess who attacked a crusading army? I'm telling the Pope on your excommunicated expletive deleted.



    Redo with fewer losses. No auto calc.



    Smashy.



    .....



    Another one dies.



    Not a bad finish.

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    Zipping on down.



    Let's try a different route.



    Mmmm... killing while outnumbered is fun.



    Run away!



    Slay them all, men.



    And so on.



    Death-filled carnage.





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    Surprise! Another general. You're not surprised, are you?



    And another one.



    Sure, why not.







    See how they excommunicated themselves... ambushing a crusader stack.




    Just plain foolish.




    They rout, of course.




    Another death.



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    They throw their lives away like lemmings.




    You no attack Holy armies.



    Snatch!



    Did you feel something? Nah, it was probably just the wind generated by the swinging of my sword.



    Yep, another one. Oh, there will be more.



    Quiet Riot.



    Simple.




    You're gonna die, clown!




    The smell of burning flesh... mmm toasty.

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    And so... the real fun begins again.



    A better outcome this time.



    And you can die.



    Today's broadcast was brought to you by the letter V and the number You're Gonna Die Clown.



    Check.



    Capture.



    Seige.



    Victory.



    Check.



    Double Check.


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    CHECK OUT PAGE 2: Photos have been moved so that you can actually view them all!
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    All Hail Askthepizzaguy, legendary blitzmaster!

    Greetings once again fellow forum members!

    All the photos should be working, finally. I've noticed that the last several 50 or so photos do not load properly right away for some reason. But they do in fact load if you give them a bit.

    I don't think photobucket meant for so many hundreds of images to be posted at once, so this particular thread's first page will be sluggish.

    I will be posting captions to the final page of the campaign soon, but I did that twice already and it kept erasing it. Odd...

    Hopefully I can get a few comments on the front page so that we can get to page two and actually begin discussing it and not having to load the 600 images every time.

    I don't think there's been a more massive battle report for a blitz campaign before... perhaps one with an epic hundred or so turns... but certainly not for 28 turns!

    Needless to say, a lot of effort went in to each turn, battle, and screenshot posting. This was not a "build a new marketplace, click the end turn button" turtle campaign. This was all-out nail-biting blitz, perhaps at its finest.

    Still haven't seen a challenge to the 28 turn record. If you can beat it, bravo!

    I hope you don't beat it too soon, as this thing took weeks to prepare.
    Well that's all for now. Feel free to comment and ask any questions!

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    Nice. You oughta join KOTR, except we don't blitz. We need good players though, to support Peter!
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    KOTR? Whazat?

    Who is this Peter and why should I support him? I am far too busy carving out my own kingdom.

    For if I were to support this... Peter, I would require lands, titles, men, and a direct line to the throne in case someone I never met or payed 15,000 florins to manages to poison his coffee, and so therefore I rule the kingdom instead because... why, without leadership, the Empire will collapse, et cetera.

    In other words, I would either end up being his disloyal heir who is attempting to build an alliance of rivals against his rule, or I would outright turn rebel on his donkey and declare war.

    I am NOT someone who will be 'ruled'.



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    nice job there pizza
    it took me an hour just to finsih getting all the images its that epic

    now try that with the danes or some small faction :P

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    Indeed, the campaign was epic.

    It is in danger of being overshadowed by SirRethcir's tactic of taking non-excommunicated Catholic faction's cities with crusading armies using a little-known loophole/exploit that I was unaware of.

    Sadly, this campaign will one day be relegated to the dustbin of history... but for now, it makes me feel like walking around all day with a shirt with a big number one on it.

    EDIT: With a shirt? Am I wearing it, perchance? I'm such an induhvidual.



    PS Check out my Danish LTC thread for tips on how to use a tiny faction to blitz. Here's the link: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=96464 Danish LTC Guide

    And a blatant plug for my other epic wins.
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=97814 Blitz all Challenge
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=87236 England Guide
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=88116 Egypt Guide
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=88366 Russian Guide
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    All hail, a great post. also i have a question, i've been playing for some months now and looked on this forum for quite some times, but i can't seem to find a effective guide for rushing on this massive scale.

    do you even consider constructing buildings, i've seen like 1 shot with those mines, but do you get anything else like higher military, or economic buildings?

    do you fight every fight yourself to get massive promotion of captains?

    occupy for tax, sack for money, or exterminate for low garrison to continue to the next town. (in like 26 turns, i suppose sacking gives to max of cash)

    do you use agents? (not even a single mention of a successful spy, killing trough assassination, or that priest that was uber converting)

    diplomacy, do you actively search for allies in the begginning or just jump in if a diplomat of them comes to you?

    also it's not stated, but is it correct that you seige always to attack the very next turn?

    i thank thee for all the help

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    Quote Originally Posted by askthepizzaguy
    In other words, I would either end up being his disloyal heir who is attempting to build an alliance of rivals against his rule, or I would outright turn rebel on his donkey and declare war.

    I am NOT someone who will be 'ruled'.
    Then you're perfect for KOTR. Betray and disloyalty abound.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sun Tzu Sif
    All hail, a great post. also i have a question, i've been playing for some months now and looked on this forum for quite some times, but i can't seem to find a effective guide for rushing on this massive scale.

    do you even consider constructing buildings, i've seen like 1 shot with those mines, but do you get anything else like higher military, or economic buildings?

    do you fight every fight yourself to get massive promotion of captains?

    occupy for tax, sack for money, or exterminate for low garrison to continue to the next town. (in like 26 turns, i suppose sacking gives to max of cash)

    do you use agents? (not even a single mention of a successful spy, killing trough assassination, or that priest that was uber converting)

    diplomacy, do you actively search for allies in the begginning or just jump in if a diplomat of them comes to you?

    also it's not stated, but is it correct that you seige always to attack the very next turn?

    i thank thee for all the help

    Patrick
    To answer a few of your points:

    Firstly the 'massive scale rush', a lot of the framework for a successful blitz can be read on this thread here

    Buildings: I build a few on my rushes I have done, mainly churches and some public order buildings. I also knock down a lot of towns and make them castles, easier to control when moving fast.

    Promotion: hit rebels/ai with a captain led greater army, frontload spears etc. Autoresolve is fine, the more territory you have, promotions gets easier. I didnt have much success promoting through sieges though. I found the larger the stack used, the higher the loyalty of the promoted captain, although this is just in my experience...

    I always sack and ransom. You really need the sacking income to fuel the fire of the rush, especially in non-crusade times. No need to exterminate really, I can usually control the most troublesome settlement after a few turns, although in my turks game I had to build a fair few level2 mosques and have a massive Iman chain running across europe...

    Agents: I dont really bother aside from priests and a few passive spies. Massive diplomacy on Rome is a must for a catholic faction because you will need to be in control of the pope to launch crusades. Basically every army should be fighting/seiging or moving between targets, agents get left a long way behind on the first crusade/jihad and your new territory will be building for control/troops for a while. ATPG successfully used multiple tiered alliance diplomacy for an early boost, selling alliance/trade/map/attacks to 5-6 neighbours.

    Finally yes I will siege one turn/attack next as a rule, some exceptions may be same turn attacks in europe with ballistas, but generally siege engines are too slow to lug around on a blitz unless its local.

    BTW top thread ATPG from what I can download of it, perhaps pare it down into a general campaign overview report and then add dedicated strategy writeups might make it a bit more accessible My broadband is fairly ninja and is struggling with it, or perhaps photobuckets bandwidth has a headache?

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    as you have demostrated very well TC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sun Tzu Sif
    All hail, a great post. also i have a question, i've been playing for some months now and looked on this forum for quite some times, but i can't seem to find a effective guide for rushing on this massive scale.

    do you even consider constructing buildings, i've seen like 1 shot with those mines, but do you get anything else like higher military, or economic buildings?

    do you fight every fight yourself to get massive promotion of captains?

    occupy for tax, sack for money, or exterminate for low garrison to continue to the next town. (in like 26 turns, i suppose sacking gives to max of cash)

    do you use agents? (not even a single mention of a successful spy, killing trough assassination, or that priest that was uber converting)

    diplomacy, do you actively search for allies in the begginning or just jump in if a diplomat of them comes to you?

    also it's not stated, but is it correct that you seige always to attack the very next turn?

    i thank thee for all the help

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    To answer a few of your points:

    Firstly the 'massive scale rush', a lot of the framework for a successful blitz can be read on this thread here

    Buildings: I build a few on my rushes I have done, mainly churches and some public order buildings. I also knock down a lot of towns and make them castles, easier to control when moving fast.

    Promotion: hit rebels/ai with a captain led greater army, frontload spears etc. Autoresolve is fine, the more territory you have, promotions gets easier. I didnt have much success promoting through sieges though. I found the larger the stack used, the higher the loyalty of the promoted captain, although this is just in my experience...

    I always sack and ransom. You really need the sacking income to fuel the fire of the rush, especially in non-crusade times. No need to exterminate really, I can usually control the most troublesome settlement after a few turns, although in my turks game I had to build a fair few level2 mosques and have a massive Iman chain running across europe...

    Agents: I dont really bother aside from priests and a few passive spies. Massive diplomacy on Rome is a must for a catholic faction because you will need to be in control of the pope to launch crusades. Basically every army should be fighting/seiging or moving between targets, agents get left a long way behind on the first crusade/jihad and your new territory will be building for control/troops for a while. ATPG successfully used multiple tiered alliance diplomacy for an early boost, selling alliance/trade/map/attacks to 5-6 neighbours.

    Finally yes I will siege one turn/attack next as a rule, some exceptions may be same turn attacks in europe with ballistas, but generally siege engines are too slow to lug around on a blitz unless its local.

    BTW top thread ATPG from what I can download of it, perhaps pare it down into a general campaign overview report and then add dedicated strategy writeups might make it a bit more accessible My broadband is fairly ninja and is struggling with it, or perhaps photobuckets bandwidth has a headache?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grog
    To answer a few of your points:

    Firstly the 'massive scale rush', a lot of the framework for a successful blitz can be read on this thread here

    I love having my threads quoted independently, especially as reference material. I award you a gold star.

    Buildings: I build a few on my rushes I have done, mainly churches and some public order buildings. I also knock down a lot of towns and make them castles, easier to control when moving fast.

    First priority is any building which will assist the rush itself. If you are to USE ballista (rare) you need to build an artillery range, which is time consuming. Ballista are not mercenary units and therefore not recruitable in your blitz campaign, thus if you need them to rush, you need them immediately.
    Next, castles and stables for your MUCH needed heavy cavalry units. You can mercenary all else, and sometimes cavalry too, but merc cavalry is far too expensive unless it's crusader cavalry. You need something you can recruit, too.

    Next, if you're gonna do any diplomacy whatsoever, you need a town hall in the proper and efficient location. So build it, quickly.

    Next, public order but especially money is your concern. If you need to raise taxes, but public order isn't high enough, build a town hall and kill three birds with one stone. Raise public order, taxes, and diplomats. Converting to a castle also raises public order, improves defense, and allows better recruitment, killing three birds with another stone.

    Most of your money will be maxed out spent on units themselves. Any buildings you can afford are wonderful, but you will probably need diplomatic assistance. SELL ALLIANCES, MAPS, TRADE AGREEMENTS, ETC. GET TOP DOLLAR OR DO NOT BOTHER.

    Otherwise, I agree with your assessment, Grog. Another gold star.


    Promotion: hit rebels/ai with a captain led greater army, frontload spears etc. Autoresolve is fine, the more territory you have, promotions gets easier. I didnt have much success promoting through sieges though. I found the larger the stack used, the higher the loyalty of the promoted captain, although this is just in my experience...

    Cannot confirm that, but EXACTLY the required strategy. Another gold star.

    I always sack and ransom. You really need the sacking income to fuel the fire of the rush, especially in non-crusade times. No need to exterminate really, I can usually control the most troublesome settlement after a few turns, although in my turks game I had to build a fair few level2 mosques and have a massive Iman chain running across europe...

    DO NOT SACK OR RANSOM until you are SURE you have all the allies you need, and you are sure you absolutely need to backstab an ally this turn.
    THEN begin the sacking and ransoming, as reputation no longer has any florin or strategic value to you.

    But good general idea. One silver star.


    Agents: I dont really bother aside from priests and a few passive spies. Massive diplomacy on Rome is a must for a catholic faction because you will need to be in control of the pope to launch crusades. Basically every army should be fighting/seiging or moving between targets, agents get left a long way behind on the first crusade/jihad and your new territory will be building for control/troops for a while. ATPG successfully used multiple tiered alliance diplomacy for an early boost, selling alliance/trade/map/attacks to 5-6 neighbours.

    ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Could not have said it any better. Two gold stars.

    Finally yes I will siege one turn/attack next as a rule, some exceptions may be same turn attacks in europe with ballistas, but generally siege engines are too slow to lug around on a blitz unless its local.

    Also true, but in the intense local blitz, especially in the middle of Europe, and especially as any Catholic looking to avoid excommunication or to take Rome in a single turn, ballista are necessary. So, mostly agreed. One silver star.

    BTW top thread ATPG from what I can download of it, perhaps pare it down into a general campaign overview report and then add dedicated strategy writeups might make it a bit more accessible My broadband is fairly ninja and is struggling with it, or perhaps photobuckets bandwidth has a headache?

    Also true... I would need to throw out tons of photos in order to make it work.
    What I plan to do is divide the campaign into different pages so that you don't need to load all 600 photos at once. Maybe 200 a page.

    But in order for me to do that, I need a SECOND PAGE. Please post in my thread. Thank you. Bronze stars for everyone who contributes here!


    My responses in bold.

    5 gold stars, 2 silver stars, and a bronze for you, Grog, for your absolutely phenomenal contribution. Good work!
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    Need a couple more posts to get to page two, then I can start transferring photos there. Once I can accomplish that, most of you will be able to actually see all the photos, because we will only need to load 300 of them per page.

    Once I get to page 3, we can further spread them out.

    So for the time being, almost any kind of posting would be helpful.

    Most of the viewers have commented that they cannot see all the images, and that is a shame.
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    i can see all of them :) took 30 minutes to load em all though but i was busy reading the captions while it was doing that anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by predaturd
    i can see all of them :) took 30 minutes to load em all though but i was busy reading the captions while it was doing that anyway
    Your connection must be fabtabulous! Others, not so much.

    Just a few more and we can make this accessible to all.
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    About the fourth set (judging by the feedback after about 110 images) in I have to start loading them by clicking. I'm making my way through it, highly enjoyable stuff ATPG! Huzzah!

    My old machine just chokes, like it does for my AAR threads, so I only intermittantly have a chance to read.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramses II CP
    About the fourth set (judging by the feedback after about 110 images) in I have to start loading them by clicking. I'm making my way through it, highly enjoyable stuff ATPG! Huzzah!

    My old machine just chokes, like it does for my AAR threads, so I only intermittantly have a chance to read.

    Not to worry, Ramses, as we are but one simple post away from being able to transfer half of the image files to the second page, thereby making the thread accessible to all!

    Someone please post anything. Tell me about your cat. I don't care. Just relate it to my thread somehow to appease the moderators.

    You could say "this thread sux" or "lawlz u pwnd".

    Tell me I'm pretty. I honestly don't care.
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    Ok you are pretty.

    Do you know that at the com there was a discussion about you. Most of them didn't believe that it was possible to complete the Grand campaign within nine turns let alone to conquer the known world in 28 turns. The best thing is that the thread was started by someone who thought that completing the grand campaign within 100 turns was an accomplishment.
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