No, the oil price is determined by whatever OPEC says it should be.Originally Posted by Zim
As for the topic itself, I say GO CHAVEZ! Finally showing some promise again after some ridiculous moves.
No, the oil price is determined by whatever OPEC says it should be.Originally Posted by Zim
As for the topic itself, I say GO CHAVEZ! Finally showing some promise again after some ridiculous moves.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
OPEC manipulates prices by increasing or decreasing their output of oil. If Chavez wanted to affect prices he could try to do the same, although it wouldn't have much effect if only Venezuela went through with it.
It's an empty gesture, most likely made as a way for him to gain political capital without actually taking an action that would incur any real consequences.
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Last edited by Zim; 02-11-2008 at 08:09.
V&V RIP Helmut Becker, Duke of Bavaria.
Come to the Throne Room for hotseats and TW rpgs!
Kermit's made a TWS2 guide? Oh, the other frog....
Chavez is a member of OPEC. And he holds more sway over them than non-members do(like the US). And if he decides to shut down, it's rather doubtful that the other OPEC-members will increase their capacity to keep oil prices down, thus increasing oil prices. Chavez actually has a lot of power when it comes to oil. Besides, what serves the US best; keeping a low oil price, or help one corporation avoid paying for their past corruption?Originally Posted by Zim
Last edited by HoreTore; 02-11-2008 at 08:19.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
If Exxon wins that case, I say shut it down Chavez. They don't deserve to own your nations wealth.
Rest in Peace TosaInu, the Org will be your legacy
Originally Posted by Leon Blum - For All Mankind
Then don't allow them to invest billions in your country and then decide "hmm, I think we'll take all the infrastructure you set up and not let you have any of the oil proceeds that you invested billions in"Originally Posted by CountArach
Besides, this is Exxon Mobile, a private company, you know... a company not run by the government?
DC would have a hard time interfering in this matter.
Good for Exxon Mobile for sticking it to Chavez.
I'll reinvest my money back in the company just out of principle now.
Exxon Mobile is a thoroughly corrupt company, in that they have no reservations for paying off corrupt state officials to get their way.Originally Posted by Ice
It's about time they got smacked. It's well deserved.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
If you are absolutily sure of that Darwin says you are unfit for life. It's not perfect we aren't all from Norway.
Except they aren't really getting smacked, now are they?Originally Posted by HoreTore
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Seems the opposite is happening.
Saudi Arabia tends to increase production when the U.S. pressures them to, actually.
At this point Chvez doesn't even seem to be threatening to shut down, but just a rather ineffective sanction. He couldn't even lower production without the rest of OPEC, since they all have to do it together or prices wouldn't change much and he'd lose too much of the money he needs for his social and other programs. I don't think they'd follow his lead at this point. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before they cut off production to raise prices again, but it won't be on Chaves's timetable.
If the British and American (and, if Exxon have their way, international) courts decide Venezuela is in the wrong in this case, I don't think political pressure should affect the case, however much it irks President Chavez.
As a side note I also rather question his method of calling every single country that even appears to stand a chance to agree with the U.S. at a single point of time on a single issue a puppet (well, lapdog in the case of Mexico a while back). As if that will inflame British opinion in his favor somehow.![]()
Originally Posted by HoreTore
V&V RIP Helmut Becker, Duke of Bavaria.
Come to the Throne Room for hotseats and TW rpgs!
Kermit's made a TWS2 guide? Oh, the other frog....
Actually nothing could be more valuable to his Presidency than if America denounced him.Originally Posted by Zim
Rest in Peace TosaInu, the Org will be your legacy
Originally Posted by Leon Blum - For All Mankind
Valuable to Chaves' presidency? I imagine you're right, but I would hope both the U.S. and British governments would let their courts decide the legal issue without pressuring them either way or making too many public statements.
Originally Posted by CountArach
V&V RIP Helmut Becker, Duke of Bavaria.
Come to the Throne Room for hotseats and TW rpgs!
Kermit's made a TWS2 guide? Oh, the other frog....
Xia - it won't hurt Chavez and Venezuela at all. Not only have their revenues increased insanely over the last few years, but good ol' China will bend down on one knee to get all the oil which was previously going to the US. It will only effect the US, so you better hope he doesn't.
GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.
Jean Paul Sartre - No Exit 1944
Go Chavez = Long live the Che = Long live the commies??? No, thanks. Its just ridiculous(sp?), but coming of you we will enter in a fight ala Cold War.As for the topic itself, I say GO CHAVEZ! Finally showing some promise again after some ridiculous moves.
Chavez is a poor guy. Someone who says a lot, and you wanna know what he did? He bought a part of SanCor, an important Argentinian company. IT was supposed to make it function better. And we have the same **** from them.
He is inside Colombia, declarating himself God and going around and liberating Hostages like he was Rambo or someone else... I say he needs some serious help, and less attention of him in a wargaming forum.
Names, secret names
But never in my favour
But when all is said and done
It's you I love
You wanna know what he did , he took over a large debt that Argentina couldn't manage with its economy spiraling out of control , he bought out Shell because they was pulling out , he invested in the state owned oil company , he signed contracts with government shipyards for maintainance and repair of Venezuelan ships and signed contracts with private shipyards for new construction of Venezuelan ships , he also did a deal to sell them oil in exchange for beef .you wanna know what he did? He bought a part of SanCor, an important Argentinian company. IT was supposed to make it function better. And we have the same **** from them.
If argentina in the state it was in could have got a better offer perhaps it would have taken it , but given the way it was going there was a bit of a shortage of offers .
Now that is priceless , thanks for the laugh CaiusHe is inside Colombia, declarating himself God and going around and liberating Hostages like he was Rambo or someone else...![]()
Now that is priceless , thanks for the laugh Caius![]()
Names, secret names
But never in my favour
But when all is said and done
It's you I love
Damn those Columbians, voting in Chavez time and again..![]()
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Did I say Columbia? They are all the same.
GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.
Jean Paul Sartre - No Exit 1944
If you are making fun of Caius, he is from Argentina and most likely knows very well where Venezuela and Columbia are.Originally Posted by JAG
If you aren't, than your joke is even less funny. Most people know the difference between the two countries, atleast on this board.
I thought you liked Socialist leaders, JAG.Originally Posted by JAG
And yes, I know the diference.
Names, secret names
But never in my favour
But when all is said and done
It's you I love
JAG was being sarcastic. He is well-known Chavez fanboy.Originally Posted by Caius
Rest in Peace TosaInu, the Org will be your legacy
Originally Posted by Leon Blum - For All Mankind
Erm, you do know who he went about organizing a hostage release by the FARC, marxist (or maoist?) Columbian rebels?Originally Posted by JAG
I think JAG's the one who didn't get the reference.
Anyways, all the new factories, etc. he builds or whatever doesn't matter due to the nature of the oil market.
:shurg:
CR
Ja Mata, Tosa.
The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail; its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storm may enter; the rain may enter; but the King of England cannot enter – all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement! - William Pitt the Elder
Thats why he said he was Rambo.Erm, you do know who he went about organizing a hostage release by the FARC, marxist (or maoist?) Columbian rebels?
Names, secret names
But never in my favour
But when all is said and done
It's you I love
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