Chavez- at it again

[Vladimir]

Heheheh. There are many things in this world that I agree with, many things I understand, and even a fair few I can empathise with at a distance. But cheerleading for powerful multinational corporations is not one of them

You men multicultural. Racist!

I agree with Prolie.

[Xiahou]

So much for sabre rattling.

It's far from clear how much oil they even sold to Exxon. Chavez wasn't exactly on good terms with them to begin with. And he's still shipping oil to the US- cuz he pretty much has to.

[Tribesman]

It's far from clear how much oil they even sold to Exxon.

Yes it is far from clear .....
Well you could always sort of look at Exxon refineries that deal with Venezuelan oil to give you some sort of idea , though of course that wouldn't work since there would be that little problem called joint ownership of the facilities , in which case to get the Exxon total you would have to subtract the partners proportion from the total amount of oil .
The partner in this case being errrrr....Venezuelas national oil company .

[Caius]

As for the topic itself, I say GO CHAVEZ! Finally showing some promise again after some ridiculous moves.

Go Chavez = Long live the Che = Long live the commies??? No, thanks. Its just ridiculous(sp?), but coming of you we will enter in a fight ala Cold War.
Chavez is a poor guy. Someone who says a lot, and you wanna know what he did? He bought a part of SanCor, an important Argentinian company. IT was supposed to make it function better. And we have the same **** from them.

He is inside Colombia, declarating himself God and going around and liberating Hostages like he was Rambo or someone else... I say he needs some serious help, and less attention of him in a wargaming forum.

[Tribesman]

you wanna know what he did? He bought a part of SanCor, an important Argentinian company. IT was supposed to make it function better. And we have the same **** from them.

You wanna know what he did , he took over a large debt that Argentina couldn't manage with its economy spiraling out of control , he bought out Shell because they was pulling out , he invested in the state owned oil company , he signed contracts with government shipyards for maintainance and repair of Venezuelan ships and signed contracts with private shipyards for new construction of Venezuelan ships , he also did a deal to sell them oil in exchange for beef .
If argentina in the state it was in could have got a better offer perhaps it would have taken it , but given the way it was going there was a bit of a shortage of offers .

He is inside Colombia, declarating himself God and going around and liberating Hostages like he was Rambo or someone else...

Now that is priceless , thanks for the laugh Caius

[Caius]

Now that is priceless , thanks for the laugh Caius

[JAG]

Damn those Columbians, voting in Chavez time and again..



Did I say Columbia? They are all the same.

[Ice]

Damn those Columbians, voting in Chavez time and again..



Did I say Columbia? They are all the same.

If you are making fun of Caius, he is from Argentina and most likely knows very well where Venezuela and Columbia are.

If you aren't, than your joke is even less funny. Most people know the difference between the two countries, atleast on this board.

[Caius]

Damn those Columbians, voting in Chavez time and again..



Did I say Columbia? They are all the same.

I thought you liked Socialist leaders, JAG.

And yes, I know the diference.

[CountArach]

I thought you liked Socialist leaders, JAG.

And yes, I know the diference.

JAG was being sarcastic. He is well-known Chavez fanboy.

[Tribesman]

Well Jag , that went well over their heads

If you aren't, than your joke is even less funny.

Actualy that joke is hilarious , but you didn't get it .

[Crazed Rabbit]

Damn those Columbians, voting in Chavez time and again..



Did I say Columbia? They are all the same.

Erm, you do know who he went about organizing a hostage release by the FARC, marxist (or maoist?) Columbian rebels?

I think JAG's the one who didn't get the reference.

Anyways, all the new factories, etc. he builds or whatever doesn't matter due to the nature of the oil market.

:shurg:

CR

[Caius]

Erm, you do know who he went about organizing a hostage release by the FARC, marxist (or maoist?) Columbian rebels?

Thats why he said he was Rambo.

[Redleg]

Well Jag , that went well over their heads


Actualy that joke is hilarious , but you didn't get it .

Actually it didnt, nor was it hilarious.

Personally I would of expected better sarcastic post from Jag versus relaying on a racist joke to make a point.

[JAG]

Redleg, you know better than to expect anything but a sarcastic post from me.

To be fair though, the best argument which would carry weight with me, in terms of arguing against Chavez, would be his relationship with certain aspects of the Columbian drug lords and the FARC rebels - though that is still tenuous.

Anyway lads.

[Tribesman]

To be fair though, the best argument which would carry weight with me, in terms of arguing against Uribe, would be his relationship with certain aspects of the Columbian drug lords and the FARC rebels

Did you say venezuelan president ? they are all the same .

[Redleg]

Redleg, you know better than to expect anything but a sarcastic post from me.

I dont expect a racist post from you though however, given that you claim to be a liberial.

Unless of course your desire is to continue to demonstrat that most of Europe is far more racist then any in the Americas, just like Tribesy in demonstrating with his post.

I guess both you and tribesy have a problem with brown skin.

[Tribesman]

Redleg has totally lost it .
It looks like Donkey-Oaty is on the rampage agian them windmills had better watch out .

[Caius]

Did you say venezuelan president ? they are all the same .

[Redleg]

Redleg has totally lost it .
It looks like Donkey-Oaty is on the rampage agian them windmills had better watch out .

Not at all. Just pointing out the inherit racism in the humor that you and Jag are doing. What is amazing is if someone from the United States stated exactly what you two did - both of you would of been saying racism also.

That you have resulted to personal insults demonstrates that my statement has some truth in it. Why else the personal jab in response to the observation that the joke is indeed a racist one?

[Tribesman]

That you have resulted to personal insults demonstrates that my statement has some truth in it.

Errrrr...no Red it demonstrates that the nonsense you wrote is only worthy of ridicule .

Why else the personal jab in response to the observation that the joke is indeed a racist one?

Errrrr....oh yeah , thats a hard question ....see the above answer . Notice how well it fits your question

[Banquo's Ghost]

I'm beginning to suspect that this thread has run its course.

If anyone wants to get back to topic, feel free, but further beastliness will bring down the lock.

[Tribesman]

Is it time for this topic again , after all Venezuela is proposing another nationalisation .
So perhaps it would be best to clear up some of the crap from this last topic first .
Lets start by looking at the legal cases Exxon brought , cases according to some which somehow had merit .

Now if these cases that so far have been dealt with had merit how comes Exxon not only didn't win them , but got saddled with Venezuelas legal bills too ?

Is that a sort of indication that the nationalisation clause in the contracts(pre-Chavez contracts) Exxon signed was kept to .



But anyway , onto the new proposed privatisation .
Cement , gypsum and aggregates .
Is this a case of...
Acrazy dictator doing an asset grab to annoy the mexicans ?
Ba government exercising soveriegn rights over mineral extraction and export ?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

....
But anyway , onto the new proposed privatisation .
Cement , gypsum and aggregates .
Is this a case of...
Acrazy dictator doing an asset grab to annoy the mexicans ?
Ba government exercising soveriegn rights over mineral extraction and export ?

Neither of these options is mutually exclusive.

[Xiahou]

Lets start by looking at the legal cases Exxon brought , cases according to some which somehow had merit .

Now if these cases that so far have been dealt with had merit how comes Exxon not only didn't win them , but got saddled with Venezuelas legal bills too ?

Uh, they didn't win because the arbitration isn't over yet. What you're apparently referring to is that the asset freeze in the UK was overturned by UK courts. Venezuelan oil assets are still, however, frozen in other countries.

[Tribesman]

someone has difficulty reading .

[Caius]

What Chavez is doing now?

[Adrian II]

Is this a case of...
Acrazy dictator doing an asset grab to annoy the mexicans ?
Ba government exercising soveriegn rights over mineral extraction and export ?

Neither. It's propaganda.

Cemex' Venezuelan sales saw a 17 % growth last year while its exports fell by half, all this to cater to the domestic building boom. They didn't sabotage Chavez' building plans as he claims.

Ever since his referendum on further reforms flopped late last year and his popularity started going south because of growing shortages, crime and bureaucracy, Chavez has been trying to distract public opinion by blaming outside forces. And it's not working. I still believe, and certainly hope, that Venezuelans realize that there is life beyond Hugo and that one-man rule, even if backed by a majority and constant referenda, is no short-cut to prosperity.

[Banquo's Ghost]

someone has difficulty reading .

Yes, they do. And managed to add a difficulty being civil too.

The warning against being beastly to each other still stands.

[Tribesman]

bollox banquo what was written was clear , the arbitration isn't the legal action that was bought by Exxon , its part of the contract , its on offer to them from Venezuela through the intermediary of the world bank.
The legal action bought was to freeze the assets until the arbitration is complete , the only judiciary to have ruled definatively in that case has ruled in favour of Venezuela .

Neither. It's propaganda.

So that would be C then Adrian