Originally Posted by Idaho
You men multicultural. Racist!
I agree with Prolie.
Originally Posted by Idaho
You men multicultural. Racist!
I agree with Prolie.
Last edited by Vladimir; 02-13-2008 at 13:18.
Reinvent the British and you get a global finance center, edible food and better service. Reinvent the French and you may just get more Germans.
Ik hou van ferme grieten en dikke pintenOriginally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
Down with dried flowers!
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It's far from clear how much oil they even sold to Exxon. Chavez wasn't exactly on good terms with them to begin with. And he's still shipping oil to the US- cuz he pretty much has to.Originally Posted by CountArach
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"Don't believe everything you read online."
-Abraham Lincoln
Yes it is far from clear .....It's far from clear how much oil they even sold to Exxon.
Well you could always sort of look at Exxon refineries that deal with Venezuelan oil to give you some sort of idea , though of course that wouldn't work since there would be that little problem called joint ownership of the facilities , in which case to get the Exxon total you would have to subtract the partners proportion from the total amount of oil .
The partner in this case being errrrr....Venezuelas national oil company .
Go Chavez = Long live the Che = Long live the commies??? No, thanks. Its just ridiculous(sp?), but coming of you we will enter in a fight ala Cold War.As for the topic itself, I say GO CHAVEZ! Finally showing some promise again after some ridiculous moves.
Chavez is a poor guy. Someone who says a lot, and you wanna know what he did? He bought a part of SanCor, an important Argentinian company. IT was supposed to make it function better. And we have the same **** from them.
He is inside Colombia, declarating himself God and going around and liberating Hostages like he was Rambo or someone else... I say he needs some serious help, and less attention of him in a wargaming forum.
Names, secret names
But never in my favour
But when all is said and done
It's you I love
You wanna know what he did , he took over a large debt that Argentina couldn't manage with its economy spiraling out of control , he bought out Shell because they was pulling out , he invested in the state owned oil company , he signed contracts with government shipyards for maintainance and repair of Venezuelan ships and signed contracts with private shipyards for new construction of Venezuelan ships , he also did a deal to sell them oil in exchange for beef .you wanna know what he did? He bought a part of SanCor, an important Argentinian company. IT was supposed to make it function better. And we have the same **** from them.
If argentina in the state it was in could have got a better offer perhaps it would have taken it , but given the way it was going there was a bit of a shortage of offers .
Now that is priceless , thanks for the laugh CaiusHe is inside Colombia, declarating himself God and going around and liberating Hostages like he was Rambo or someone else...![]()
Now that is priceless , thanks for the laugh Caius![]()
Names, secret names
But never in my favour
But when all is said and done
It's you I love
Damn those Columbians, voting in Chavez time and again..![]()
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Did I say Columbia? They are all the same.
GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.
Jean Paul Sartre - No Exit 1944
If you are making fun of Caius, he is from Argentina and most likely knows very well where Venezuela and Columbia are.Originally Posted by JAG
If you aren't, than your joke is even less funny. Most people know the difference between the two countries, atleast on this board.
I thought you liked Socialist leaders, JAG.Originally Posted by JAG
And yes, I know the diference.
Names, secret names
But never in my favour
But when all is said and done
It's you I love
JAG was being sarcastic. He is well-known Chavez fanboy.Originally Posted by Caius
Rest in Peace TosaInu, the Org will be your legacy
Originally Posted by Leon Blum - For All Mankind
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Actualy that joke is hilarious , but you didn't get it .If you aren't, than your joke is even less funny.
Erm, you do know who he went about organizing a hostage release by the FARC, marxist (or maoist?) Columbian rebels?Originally Posted by JAG
I think JAG's the one who didn't get the reference.
Anyways, all the new factories, etc. he builds or whatever doesn't matter due to the nature of the oil market.
:shurg:
CR
Ja Mata, Tosa.
The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail; its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storm may enter; the rain may enter; but the King of England cannot enter – all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement! - William Pitt the Elder
Thats why he said he was Rambo.Erm, you do know who he went about organizing a hostage release by the FARC, marxist (or maoist?) Columbian rebels?
Names, secret names
But never in my favour
But when all is said and done
It's you I love
Actually it didnt, nor was it hilarious.Originally Posted by Tribesman
Personally I would of expected better sarcastic post from Jag versus relaying on a racist joke to make a point.
O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean
Redleg, you know better than to expect anything but a sarcastic post from me.
To be fair though, the best argument which would carry weight with me, in terms of arguing against Chavez, would be his relationship with certain aspects of the Columbian drug lords and the FARC rebels - though that is still tenuous.
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GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.
Jean Paul Sartre - No Exit 1944
Did you say venezuelan president ? they are all the same .To be fair though, the best argument which would carry weight with me, in terms of arguing against Uribe, would be his relationship with certain aspects of the Columbian drug lords and the FARC rebels
I dont expect a racist post from you though however, given that you claim to be a liberial.Originally Posted by JAG
Unless of course your desire is to continue to demonstrat that most of Europe is far more racist then any in the Americas, just like Tribesy in demonstrating with his post.
I guess both you and tribesy have a problem with brown skin.
O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean
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Redleg has totally lost it .
It looks like Donkey-Oaty is on the rampage agian![]()
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them windmills had better watch out .
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Originally Posted by Tribesman
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Names, secret names
But never in my favour
But when all is said and done
It's you I love
Not at all. Just pointing out the inherit racism in the humor that you and Jag are doing. What is amazing is if someone from the United States stated exactly what you two did - both of you would of been saying racism also.Originally Posted by Tribesman
That you have resulted to personal insults demonstrates that my statement has some truth in it. Why else the personal jab in response to the observation that the joke is indeed a racist one?
O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean
Errrrr...no Red it demonstrates that the nonsense you wrote is only worthy of ridicule .That you have resulted to personal insults demonstrates that my statement has some truth in it.
Errrrr....oh yeah , thats a hard question ....see the above answer . Notice how well it fits your questionWhy else the personal jab in response to the observation that the joke is indeed a racist one?![]()
I'm beginning to suspect that this thread has run its course.
If anyone wants to get back to topic, feel free, but further beastliness will bring down the lock.
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"If there is a sin against life, it consists not so much in despairing as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this one."
Albert Camus "Noces"
Is it time for this topic again , after all Venezuela is proposing another nationalisation .
So perhaps it would be best to clear up some of the crap from this last topic first .
Lets start by looking at the legal cases Exxon brought , cases according to some which somehow had merit .![]()
Now if these cases that so far have been dealt with had merit how comes Exxon not only didn't win them , but got saddled with Venezuelas legal bills too ?
Is that a sort of indication that the nationalisation clause in the contracts(pre-Chavez contracts) Exxon signed was kept to .
But anyway , onto the new proposed privatisation .
Cement , gypsum and aggregates .
Is this a case of...
Acrazy dictator doing an asset grab to annoy the mexicans ?
Ba government exercising soveriegn rights over mineral extraction and export ?
Neither of these options is mutually exclusive.Originally Posted by Tribesman
"The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken
Uh, they didn't win because the arbitration isn't over yet. What you're apparently referring to is that the asset freeze in the UK was overturned by UK courts. Venezuelan oil assets are still, however, frozen in other countries.Originally Posted by Tribesman
"Don't believe everything you read online."
-Abraham Lincoln
someone has difficulty reading .
What Chavez is doing now?
Names, secret names
But never in my favour
But when all is said and done
It's you I love
Neither. It's propaganda.Originally Posted by Tribesman
Cemex' Venezuelan sales saw a 17 % growth last year while its exports fell by half, all this to cater to the domestic building boom. They didn't sabotage Chavez' building plans as he claims.
Ever since his referendum on further reforms flopped late last year and his popularity started going south because of growing shortages, crime and bureaucracy, Chavez has been trying to distract public opinion by blaming outside forces. And it's not working. I still believe, and certainly hope, that Venezuelans realize that there is life beyond Hugo and that one-man rule, even if backed by a majority and constant referenda, is no short-cut to prosperity.
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The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott
Yes, they do. And managed to add a difficulty being civil too.Originally Posted by Tribesman
The warning against being beastly to each other still stands.
"If there is a sin against life, it consists not so much in despairing as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this one."
Albert Camus "Noces"
bollox banquo what was written was clear , the arbitration isn't the legal action that was bought by Exxon , its part of the contract , its on offer to them from Venezuela through the intermediary of the world bank.
The legal action bought was to freeze the assets until the arbitration is complete , the only judiciary to have ruled definatively in that case has ruled in favour of Venezuela .
So that would be C then AdrianNeither. It's propaganda.![]()
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