Random RTW crazyness

[placenik]

What determines whether you lose the battle instantly or get to see your rout play out first?

I suspect that AI also has END BATTLE/CONTINUE BATTLE choice, as human has when he routs enemy army. In first case you lost, in second you must run away first.

[el_dext0r]

one thing i've noticed that's absolutely crazy is the diplomacy, now, i've known the diplomacy has been flawed since like forever, but i've lost count of the times an opposing faction has bugged me and bugged me for an alliance only to attack one of my cities the following turn

maybe they're trying to lull me into a false sense of security.

[Quirinus]

one thing i've noticed that's absolutely crazy is the diplomacy, now, i've known the diplomacy has been flawed since like forever, but i've lost count of the times an opposing faction has bugged me and bugged me for an alliance only to attack one of my cities the following turn

maybe they're trying to lull me into a false sense of security.

Ugh, yes, I know what you mean. In my current Greek game, I didn't want the Romans as my enemy, so I evacuated Syracuse and tried to give it to them, only to have them refuse, and then attack it the next turn.

About your account, though, I think maybe it's because if the Huns got Corduba, they'd be forced to settle down, so maybe the diplomacy engine didn't want you 'trick' them into settling down.

[Shieldmaiden]

Unlike STW and MTW, RTW diplomacy feels quite disconnected to whats going on in the Campaign

Is it much better in MTW2 or..?

And back on topic... am I the only one to lose against Carthage because of Flaming Pigs stampeding away from the elephants? Hello smoky bacon, goodbye battle line!

[Quirinus]

I don't use them at all-- I find them a little too ahistorical for my taste, like wardogs and the German phalanx.

[Flying Pig]

The wierdest must be my 10 star commander, age 50, getting a HEART ATTACK and dying just before sounding the charge to bring his hippeis into a squad of routing legionaires!

[Mikeus Caesar]

Unlike STW and MTW, RTW diplomacy feels quite disconnected to whats going on in the Campaign

Is it much better in MTW2 or..?

And back on topic... am I the only one to lose against Carthage because of Flaming Pigs stampeding away from the elephants? Hello smoky bacon, goodbye battle line!

Yes, you're quite right about the diplomacy being disconnected - it works seperately from the military side of things, and thus they contradict each other frequently. Because MTW2 uses the same system, it has the same problems, albeit not on the same epic scales of stupidity.

Thankfully this is being fixed in ETW - a new AI, with diplomacy and military fully integrated together, so now the stupid thing will think through it's decisions before blindly charging into battle against your fully garrissoned capital city, with nothing but some peasants and a unit of archers.

[Punicus]

Thankfully this is being fixed in ETW - a new AI, with diplomacy and military fully integrated together, so now the stupid thing will think through it's decisions before blindly charging into battle against your fully garrissoned capital city, with nothing but some peasants and a unit of archers.

What a relief, if I have a computer that can run ETW by that time it should be a breath of fresh air. Anyhow, back to the topic: has anyone else noticed how stupid the Egyptian AI specifically is? Even though the pharaoh bathes in gold, he insists on sending armies mostly of peasants, often throwing in a slinger or skirmisher unit or two. It's not like I see the fact that the AI is lacking the "I" part of its title as the crazy part, it's just that I see this with Egypt more than anyone else. Anyone else have any thoughts on that?

[Spartan198]

Unlike STW and MTW, RTW diplomacy feels quite disconnected to whats going on in the Campaign

Is it much better in MTW2 or..?

And back on topic... am I the only one to lose against Carthage because of Flaming Pigs stampeding away from the elephants? Hello smoky bacon, goodbye battle line!

No,Maiden,you're not. That's why I vowed never to use battlefield bacon ever again.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Battles provide one team a victory when all of the enemy troops have either died, are current routing or have withdrawn manually from the field (passed the red line).

Due to this, the only possibility is that at least one of TruePretorian's units was either still being manually withdrawn or was still remaining standing on the field.

I suspect that AI also has END BATTLE/CONTINUE BATTLE choice, as human has when he routs enemy army. In first case you lost, in second you must run away first.

The AI sadly doesn't have access to the ability to run down and destroy enemy troops. Due to this, I consider chasing down routing enemy troops when the battle is already won a bit of an unfair exploit.

[Permenion]

sorry going off topic, but Tomo are you from the Netherlands or from Belgium.? I have that strange feeling... am I right?

[RobN]

Yes, the diplomacy can be crazy. In my present Vandal campaign I cannot even give Corduba to the Huns even though they besiege it intermittently, and seem uninterested in anywhere else.

[The Wandering Scholar]

sorry going off topic, but Tomo are you from the Netherlands or from Belgium.? I have that strange feeling... am I right?

huh? yh but why?

[Caeser The III]

one time is a siege(greece vs. carthage or rome, cant remember)me being greece,(big walls)i ordered my troops to go down and hunt down the remaining troops, but my troops would go down 1 by 1 every like 5 minutes and i had my unit size set on huge, so it took like an hour for all of em to get down, really got me bored ( the remaining troops were hiding....)

[Vitellus]

Well, I"ve been on the other side of the onager-squishing-general thing. During my first Roman civil war ever, my veteran, but depleted, army squared off against a Scipii full-stack. The two sides were still manuevering for position when the Scipii general noticed a steadily growing shadow around him...

SQUISH. Ah, that was a good day.

One other mildly hum'rous incident was of my own making. I was Parthia, and I had an itty bitty empire out on the fringe of the map. I had a small garrison of horse archers and eastern infantry holding Palmyra, when a full-stack Egyptian army besieged it.

THe turn they assaulted, they sent a diplomat to the town, demanding I become a protectorate of Egypt. I promptly made a counter-offer with my little garrison: They ought to become a protectorate of ME. Nice show of defiance, I rather thought.

The Egyptians laughed and began their assault...But just as they got midway through the streets my relief army of about 5 Persian cavalry arrived and poured into the town behind them. n_n Not one Egyptian escaped.

[Permenion]

huh? yh but why?

"They ran their ellies around by the walls en route to the town " => you wrote this

but the fact is that you write Allies and not ellies
and and not en


Thats why I tought knowing where you come from, my neighbour (haha) lol
But don't be shamed :p I make mistakes too sometimes

[Quirinus]

"They ran their ellies around by the walls en route to the town " => you wrote this

but the fact is that you write Allies and not ellies
and and not en


Thats why I tought knowing where you come from, my neighbour (haha) lol
But don't be shamed :p I make mistakes too sometimes

Haha, actually, I think Tom0 was referring to elephants when he said 'ellies'. And I'm pretty positive 'en route' was what he intended to write.

On-topic, Punicus, I dunno, from what I've seen, most large Egyptian armies have a core of Nubian spearman with maybe a couple of Nile Spearman thrown in, a whole lot of skirmishers, and one or two chariots, and the rest comprised of peasants. It's a pretty effective and cheap army composition, IMO. The chariots are the shock troops, the phalanx protect (to some extent) the skirmishers, the skirmishers pepper away at the enemy, the peasants absorb charges and missile fire. I hate fighting Egypt because of this, but I have to acknowledge that it's darn effective.

[Punicus]

On-topic, Punicus, I dunno, from what I've seen, most large Egyptian armies have a core of Nubian spearman with maybe a couple of Nile Spearman thrown in, a whole lot of skirmishers, and one or two chariots, and the rest comprised of peasants. It's a pretty effective and cheap army composition, IMO. The chariots are the shock troops, the phalanx protect (to some extent) the skirmishers, the skirmishers pepper away at the enemy, the peasants absorb charges and missile fire. I hate fighting Egypt because of this, but I have to acknowledge that it's darn effective.

Interesting, in my campaign as Pontus their full stacks are much less of a challenge. It's not that I haven't encountered tougher units like you have in earlier campaigns though, but they just seem to be acting strange this time around.

[The Wandering Scholar]

"They ran their ellies around by the walls en route to the town " => you wrote this

but the fact is that you write Allies and not ellies
and and not en


Thats why I tought knowing where you come from, my neighbour (haha) lol
But don't be shamed :p I make mistakes too sometimes

I am your neighbour That uis what I thought? And yes Quirinus is right

They moved their elephants around the bottom of the walls, they could have been manoevering them to the town plaza...

[gaiusmarius8]

Dude, I was the Seleucids in a Custom Battle and the Onager was only a couple ways behind my general. The boulders flung in a perfect arc over his head at the enemy, then one rock just smashed smack dab into my general! I was like WTF?

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I was once laying seige with my 4, count' em, 4, armies of Carthage to Rome when the last Roman was fighting off my whole army on the wall. I zoomed in really close and I actually saw him jump off the wall. Plus as he fell one of my archers arrows hit him right through the middle and when he finally hit the floor a battalion of War Elephants trampled him.

Nasty bug that one, although I've never seen a captain/general decide to take the quickest route to his destination rather than taking the stairs. It sound like an event that would have made a very good screenshot.

Dude, I was the Seleucids in a Custom Battle and the Onager was only a couple ways behind my general. The boulders flung in a perfect arc over his head at the enemy, then one rock just smashed smack dab into my general! I was like WTF?

Onagers are something you definitely have to be careful with - little problems such as this occur quite frequently. If you are using flaming projectiles, which further hampers their accuracy, even more so.