Random RTW crazyness

[Mikeus Caesar]

Unlike STW and MTW, RTW diplomacy feels quite disconnected to whats going on in the Campaign

Is it much better in MTW2 or..?

And back on topic... am I the only one to lose against Carthage because of Flaming Pigs stampeding away from the elephants? Hello smoky bacon, goodbye battle line!

Yes, you're quite right about the diplomacy being disconnected - it works seperately from the military side of things, and thus they contradict each other frequently. Because MTW2 uses the same system, it has the same problems, albeit not on the same epic scales of stupidity.

Thankfully this is being fixed in ETW - a new AI, with diplomacy and military fully integrated together, so now the stupid thing will think through it's decisions before blindly charging into battle against your fully garrissoned capital city, with nothing but some peasants and a unit of archers.

[Punicus]

Thankfully this is being fixed in ETW - a new AI, with diplomacy and military fully integrated together, so now the stupid thing will think through it's decisions before blindly charging into battle against your fully garrissoned capital city, with nothing but some peasants and a unit of archers.

What a relief, if I have a computer that can run ETW by that time it should be a breath of fresh air. Anyhow, back to the topic: has anyone else noticed how stupid the Egyptian AI specifically is? Even though the pharaoh bathes in gold, he insists on sending armies mostly of peasants, often throwing in a slinger or skirmisher unit or two. It's not like I see the fact that the AI is lacking the "I" part of its title as the crazy part, it's just that I see this with Egypt more than anyone else. Anyone else have any thoughts on that?

[Spartan198]

Unlike STW and MTW, RTW diplomacy feels quite disconnected to whats going on in the Campaign

Is it much better in MTW2 or..?

And back on topic... am I the only one to lose against Carthage because of Flaming Pigs stampeding away from the elephants? Hello smoky bacon, goodbye battle line!

No,Maiden,you're not. That's why I vowed never to use battlefield bacon ever again.

[Quirinus]

"They ran their ellies around by the walls en route to the town " => you wrote this

but the fact is that you write Allies and not ellies
and and not en


Thats why I tought knowing where you come from, my neighbour (haha) lol
But don't be shamed :p I make mistakes too sometimes

Haha, actually, I think Tom0 was referring to elephants when he said 'ellies'. And I'm pretty positive 'en route' was what he intended to write.

On-topic, Punicus, I dunno, from what I've seen, most large Egyptian armies have a core of Nubian spearman with maybe a couple of Nile Spearman thrown in, a whole lot of skirmishers, and one or two chariots, and the rest comprised of peasants. It's a pretty effective and cheap army composition, IMO. The chariots are the shock troops, the phalanx protect (to some extent) the skirmishers, the skirmishers pepper away at the enemy, the peasants absorb charges and missile fire. I hate fighting Egypt because of this, but I have to acknowledge that it's darn effective.

[The Wandering Scholar]

"They ran their ellies around by the walls en route to the town " => you wrote this

but the fact is that you write Allies and not ellies
and and not en


Thats why I tought knowing where you come from, my neighbour (haha) lol
But don't be shamed :p I make mistakes too sometimes

I am your neighbour That uis what I thought? And yes Quirinus is right

They moved their elephants around the bottom of the walls, they could have been manoevering them to the town plaza...

[Punicus]

On-topic, Punicus, I dunno, from what I've seen, most large Egyptian armies have a core of Nubian spearman with maybe a couple of Nile Spearman thrown in, a whole lot of skirmishers, and one or two chariots, and the rest comprised of peasants. It's a pretty effective and cheap army composition, IMO. The chariots are the shock troops, the phalanx protect (to some extent) the skirmishers, the skirmishers pepper away at the enemy, the peasants absorb charges and missile fire. I hate fighting Egypt because of this, but I have to acknowledge that it's darn effective.

Interesting, in my campaign as Pontus their full stacks are much less of a challenge. It's not that I haven't encountered tougher units like you have in earlier campaigns though, but they just seem to be acting strange this time around.

[Celt Centurion]

During a Julii campaign against Spain, General Flavius - the Conquerer of Gaul, Germania, and Britain, Faction Leader with command stars and cool traits coming out of his butt - did battle a tiny army of Bull Warriors and riff-raff with an Onager, outnumbering them 10 to 1.

Naturally, the 1 Onager shot they fired before getting flattened hit Flavius right on the bonce, crushing him.

There's probably a lesson in that

Ah, gave him a "pounding headache"eh?

Strength and Honor

Celt Centurion

[Spartan198]

Ah, gave him a "pounding headache"eh?

Strength and Honor

Celt Centurion

I woulda' said "a crushing weight on his shoulders".

[The Wandering Scholar]

I woulda' said "a crushing weight on his shoulders".

Ironic that balls ended the life of an adultering Roman

[Spartan198]

That's a good one,too.

[Hound of Ulster]

wow, this thread just crashed and burned.

Whenever I use Parthia I always have fun. Every victory is heroic victory because I send all-cav formations against all-infantry Seluekid units...
I cut through them like a hot knife through butter.

My most bizarre RTW moment was when my general (using the Britions) got clocked in the head by...a severed head thorwn by one of my head hurlers

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

It always gets annoying when friendly fire hit your own generals, although it's worse when it collides with him after the battle is theoretically over.

My General's Bodyguard had five men left in it, and was chasing after the remains of a few Roman Hastati while my other units dealt with the two still surviving units which were attacking my frontline.

This was fine, but, in the woods nearby I had placed some skirmishers which I had totally forgotton about. Worst of all, they had fire at will turned on, so, when the enemy Hastatii wondered past, they fired two vollies at them. The General lost two more bodyguard units, and the second volly hit and killed the General himself.

This was fortunately a useless two star general in him mid fifties, so he wasn't really of too much use to me. Also I had about fifty other Generals still fighting on my behalf, so I didn't really have too much to worry about.

[Spartan198]

This was fine, but, in the woods nearby I had placed some skirmishers which I had totally forgotton about. Worst of all, they had fire at will turned on, so, when the enemy Hastatii wondered past, they fired two vollies at them. The General lost two more bodyguard units, and the second volly hit and killed the General himself.

At least it happened after you'd won,right?

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

At least it happened after you'd won,right?

I'd theoretically won, but not actually won won, if you know what I mean. The AI had an odd few men still alive and not routing, although they were quickly getting munched up by my main force.

[Hound of Ulster]

accidents happen in warfare. As long as you one the battle its ok.

[Emperor Mithdrates]

I was once laying seige with my 4, count' em, 4, armies of Carthage to Rome when the last Roman was fighting off my whole army on the wall. I zoomed in really close and I actually saw him jump off the wall. Plus as he fell one of my archers arrows hit him right through the middle and when he finally hit the floor a battalion of War Elephants trampled him.

Crazy or WHAT!

[The Wandering Scholar]

Count what? Hard to believe without evidence that one.

[Emperor Mithdrates]

I've just remembered another funny thing that happened to me.

My army wasnt commanded by a general. Just a hoplite captain on foot, and (since i'm very brave, or very stupid) I always command at the front. It was a long time ago and the first assault i had done.

I made my catapults fire at the wall and i lined up my men behind the part of the wall I was attacking so that when the wall came down I could storm into the city.

Sadly i didnt win this battle for the reason that my men were savage mercenaries and fled at the first sign of trouble. The sign in this case being the stone wall falling and crushing everyone in my generals unit.

Oops!

[Shieldmaiden]

Sadly i didnt win this battle for the reason that my men were savage mercenaries and fled at the first sign of trouble. The sign in this case being the stone wall falling and crushing everyone in my generals unit.

*Sings* Ramparts Keep Falling On My Head

[Spartan198]

I was once laying seige with my 4, count' em, 4, armies of Carthage to Rome when the last Roman was fighting off my whole army on the wall. I zoomed in really close and I actually saw him jump off the wall. Plus as he fell one of my archers arrows hit him right through the middle and when he finally hit the floor a battalion of War Elephants trampled him.

Crazy or WHAT!

That's gotta be one of the funniest things I've ever read.

[gaiusmarius8]

Dude, I was the Seleucids in a Custom Battle and the Onager was only a couple ways behind my general. The boulders flung in a perfect arc over his head at the enemy, then one rock just smashed smack dab into my general! I was like WTF?

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I was once laying seige with my 4, count' em, 4, armies of Carthage to Rome when the last Roman was fighting off my whole army on the wall. I zoomed in really close and I actually saw him jump off the wall. Plus as he fell one of my archers arrows hit him right through the middle and when he finally hit the floor a battalion of War Elephants trampled him.

Nasty bug that one, although I've never seen a captain/general decide to take the quickest route to his destination rather than taking the stairs. It sound like an event that would have made a very good screenshot.

Dude, I was the Seleucids in a Custom Battle and the Onager was only a couple ways behind my general. The boulders flung in a perfect arc over his head at the enemy, then one rock just smashed smack dab into my general! I was like WTF?

Onagers are something you definitely have to be careful with - little problems such as this occur quite frequently. If you are using flaming projectiles, which further hampers their accuracy, even more so.

[Spartan198]

Onagers are something you definitely have to be careful with - little problems such as this occur quite frequently. If you are using flaming projectiles, which further hampers their accuracy, even more so.

I remedy that by placing my onagers directly behind my infantry line,ahead of missile troops.

[gaiusmarius8]

Hehe, I'll tell you something, and Ill give you a screenshot of it before it happened. One of my Companion Cavalry (Seleucids) actually got the Pontic general in the head and actually died!





It. was. Awesome!

[The Wandering Scholar]

Is that a noob box?

[Spartan198]

Ouch!

[carbz]

r those pirate mercs in the screenshot? or those galdiator dudes.

The pirate mercs make me laugh, they are not very good (moderator edit), dontthink ive ever seen the AI have them in an army. That would make me laugh.

and yeah, have you got the elephants in the circle around the general? someone lays some fire arrows on them it would be carnage, that would be a good screen shot!

edit, oh no i can see the ellies in the background.

[Quirinus]

Those are Cilician pirates, I think. I find them okay mercs-- their harpoon is pretty decent I find, and, combined with their speed, they make good light flanking troops.

I think the 'box' The Wandering Scholar was referring to was the phalanghite box-- a bunch of phalanx pikemen facing outwards from one another, forming a very spiky 'box' that is nigh impregnable.

[Spartan198]

Yeah,I like the Cicilian Pirates,too. An armored version would be cool,as well.

[carbz]

does no one else find the thought of a load of Johnny depp look alikes coming up against armoured elephants sligthly strange then?


yeah the armoured box is a bit unfair isnt it, i have read about that as a tactic but sod that,