I'm just curious what the rarest unit in vanilla MTW is. Also, I'm curious what the rarest unit in VI(both viking and medieval map) is.
rarest unit?
I'm just curious what the rarest unit in vanilla MTW is. Also, I'm curious what the rarest unit in VI(both viking and medieval map) is.
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Re: rarest unit?
Probably the Almughavars, Saxon Huscarles, Berserkers or Sherwood Foresters. These only appear in revolts in certain provinces.
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Are the beserkers as fierce in Med as in RTW?
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They're pretty badass iirc. I remember one battle in a viking campaign where I had a unit of them in a forest literally slaughtering half a saxon army of decent size before being overwhelmed. I get horrible pictures if I imagine this one happening in reality. Howling madmen charging at scared fyrdsmen in a dark forest screaming bloody murder ...
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Gothic Knights if you start in the Early period ... You'll probably finish the game before they become available since you'll need to play as the German or Italians (Never seen the IA produce them). Kept a few games going despite everything indicating that I could not loose but the only challenge was to find them a worthy opponent ... Not much fun using them just to slaughter vanilla spearmen ...
About the same for all high-level units (Janissaries, Gendarme, etc) once you start in the Early period...
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Actually berserkers aren't all that rare, so long as you are playing Viking era. The Picts generally seem to get some. Jom Vikings, however, I have never seen unless I play the Vikings and make them myself. I don't think there really is a rarest unit. As Jxrc points out, it all depends on the era you pick and the faction you play. You could make Lancers as common as mushrooms if you wanted to play that way. Leave it to the AI, and you'll probably not see any.
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They're probably even more so, actually. Viking Berzerkers are scary.Originally Posted by Tom0
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Almughavars. I'm still convinced they're an urban legend.
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Almughavars.
I've wanted to use these for ages but never seem to be able to recruit them!
I'm going to try using the Volga-Bulgars just so I can use Bashkorts to see what they are like. I've used the Agro-Javelin Irish Bonachts which are pretty cool, but I really like the idea of my Spear wall having some serious offense as well. Launching a volley of Javelins at incoming opponents has got to be fun, when the Javeliniers can stand and fight as well.
Sadly I've never come across Almughavars so I cant say how useful they really are.
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I'd say JHI actually. The AI never has enough time to reach them (the Turks, especially in vanilla, tend to get crushed from my experience) and if you're playing you'll have won the game or gotten tired of it before they're available to you.
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They usually end up with around 150 kills for 6 dead (out of 12) for me, unless facing harder opponents (log file check on the last viking campaign played).
Had one old battle were they walked over a bridge as defense. That was while killing opponents... I'm not sure how many, but it should be 200-300/unit.
Still my record with huscarles are 1004 (as a lone unit facing rabble) and 612 (killed 1/5 of the invading army by themself) (I tried to find that bridge battle in the log files, but it seems to be too old), so the really tough units can do better. The small size make them easy to valour up though.
As for the actual topic, I think all fortress level units are extremely rare for the AI to build, as they don't really tech to that level often.
Some of the rebel only and Almughavars are truly the rarest though, never seen Almughavars unmodded for example.
Seen the AI with Joms in VI though. He had a small empire in southern England that gave enough to tech to Joms in Norway.
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