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    Yes, a new goverment proposal that will force internet service providers to ban customers that downloading copyrighted material.
    This is madness

    Only thing I can think of is that, do they really really expect the internet service providers to actually follow this ??
    Mean they advertise high download speeds.
    Kinda like biting the hand that feeds them.

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    I don't think this can stand, internet providers cannot be forced to give them the data, and I am pretty sure they will be kinda reluctant to do so in the first place given the loss of revenue.

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    How is the provider supposed to know what's copyrighted material?
    Wake me up when it's technically possible.

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    This will create jobs. The providers will have to employ a lot of people to check every file for copyrighted material.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TB666
    Madness? THIS IS BRITAINNNNNNNNNNN! -kick-


    Jokes aside, it's ludicrous. That's pretty much their entire customer base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul
    How is the provider supposed to know what's copyrighted material?
    Wake me up when it's technically possible.
    E-mail the source?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrossLOPER
    E-mail the source?
    "Hey, are you illegally spreading copyrighted material?"
    "Yes, of course, here's my address..."


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    The idea is to add some kind of code "tag" to the media which is then detected by some kind of automatic filtering system. Not sure what this means for legitimate digital distribution though.

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    Oh, and since it will all be run internally by the ISPs there are no extra data protection issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar
    "Hey, are you illegally spreading copyrighted material?"
    "Yes, of course, here's my address..."
    "Hey, do you still have a protection on (insert downloadable material)?"
    "Why (yes/no) sir and/or madam, proceed as you must about this matter."

    I'm not saying there's profit in this, but it is possible. Excruciating, but possible.
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    The idea is to add some kind of code "tag" to the media which is then detected by some kind of automatic filtering system.

    im fairly sure pirates would find some way around this...

    would that mean that even if a brit is downloading from a non-uk source it would still be tracked/found ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
    The idea is to add some kind of code "tag" to the media which is then detected by some kind of automatic filtering system.

    im fairly sure pirates would find some way around this...

    would that mean that even if a brit is downloading from a non-uk source it would still be tracked/found ?
    Presumably the code would be universal - the entertainment industry would be keen to have as much cover as possible, though any action taken would be dictated by local laws. Further, this isn't really aimed at actual pirates. It is aimed at the vast majority of peer-to-peer users who merely share commercially available material via simple rips etc. It won't hold the technically savvy pirates for long, but the vast majority have no idea how to hack anything.
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    It won't hold the technically savvy pirates for long, but the vast majority have no idea how to hack anything.

    but wouldn't the tech savvy find some way of removing this before hosting it on the p2p ?

    and well the dumb majority would just have to find out which rips have been decoded already for them, im assuming well known uploaders would now how to decode and most who know of them will just stick to a few users who upload torrents.

    Though obviously this would leave a decent percentage of downloaders who could get caught up, the ones who kinda now what they're doing will find the ones who now what thier doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
    the ones who kinda now what they're doing will find the ones who now what thier doing.
    So it's basically a process of finding yourself?


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    All this will do is encourage data encryption on the P2P networks. Something the governments ought to think very hard about before encouraging.
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    So it's basically a process of finding yourself?

    the idiots will find nothing

    the half idiots (those who kinda now what thier doing) will find the decoded copyright material posted by the non-idiots (those who fully now what thier doing)
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrossLOPER
    E-mail the source?
    Quote Originally Posted by CrossLOPER
    "Hey, do you still have a protection on (insert downloadable material)?"
    "Why (yes/no) sir and/or madam, proceed as you must about this matter."

    I'm not saying there's profit in this, but it is possible. Excruciating, but possible.
    So, anytime a user wants to download an audio or video file or a pdf/ebook either his download is suspended:
    Please wait while the content industry approves and verifies your download. Time left:200 days.
    or a copy is made by the ISP and sent to the industry to check if an infringement did happen? Please explain how you think this could work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyspy
    The idea is to add some kind of code "tag" to the media which is then detected by some kind of automatic filtering system. Not sure what this means for legitimate digital distribution though.
    The tag idea can't work either. You'd need to check all untagged media against a database including all tagged media. And btw it's not as if the files in question can only be distributed with names and file endings that make sense. A file can be anything. What about archives, encrypted archives, etc?

    It seems to me as if this proposal is an outsourced brainstorming. Just come up with a half-baked theory and see if it passes slashdot.

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    That law wouldn't work here, where it's completely legal to download whatever you want to.
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    this is such a dumb idea that I kinda hope they go ahead with it so that I can laugh as they fall on their face trying
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    Is porn copyrighted?
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    Quote Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul
    So, anytime a user wants to download an audio or video file or a pdf/ebook either his download is suspended:
    Please wait while the content industry approves and verifies your download. Time left:200 days.
    or a copy is made by the ISP and sent to the industry to check if an infringement did happen? Please explain how you think this could work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountArach
    Is porn copyrighted?
    Yes but the porno industry don't sue their fans.

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    This law is about a stick, well start serving up the carrots.

    Something that is often overlooked in economics which talks about free trade, is that not all barriers stifle all markets. Barriers to goods and services which are too heinous create black markets. Creating more barriers will only make it more profitable for the black markets and where profit and illegality exist is makes it a good source and cover for more nefarious organisations. Bootlegging is an old term for a reason.

    The entertainment industry has to start seeing P2P not as the enemy but as the gold mine. The ability to download the show that you want to see is precisely the end result of all the decades of marketing for and cultivating of the instant gratification syndrome.

    The industry should be tapping straight into it and seeing it as the way to a real El Dorado. Instant download for instant profits. Pay less for the media and make less per download, but shovel out the volume. With that model the industry would want to see more and more bandwidth used so that they can inject more of their content into the consumers need for thrills. The easier you make it for someone to consume the more they will.

    iTunes is a good example of going with the new paradigm as is online games paid for with online banking. Heck you should be able to get an online video account and watch whatever movie you want. Make it so cheap and accessible it makes no sense to download and distribute it. Why store gigs when you can access it with ease.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio
    This law is about a stick, well start serving up the carrots.

    Something that is often overlooked in economics which talks about free trade, is that not all barriers stifle all markets. Barriers to goods and services which are too heinous create black markets. Creating more barriers will only make it more profitable for the black markets and where profit and illegality exist is makes it a good source and cover for more nefarious organisations. Bootlegging is an old term for a reason.

    The entertainment industry has to start seeing P2P not as the enemy but as the gold mine. The ability to download the show that you want to see is precisely the end result of all the decades of marketing for and cultivating of the instant gratification syndrome.

    The industry should be tapping straight into it and seeing it as the way to a real El Dorado. Instant download for instant profits. Pay less for the media and make less per download, but shovel out the volume. With that model the industry would want to see more and more bandwidth used so that they can inject more of their content into the consumers need for thrills. The easier you make it for someone to consume the more they will.

    iTunes is a good example of going with the new paradigm as is online games paid for with online banking. Heck you should be able to get an online video account and watch whatever movie you want. Make it so cheap and accessible it makes no sense to download and distribute it. Why store gigs when you can access it with ease.
    The reason this absurdity has been proposed is because the government wants to help the 'poor record industry', who are losing profits precisely because they refuse to see p2p and the internet in general as a goldmine. They'd have no justification for their inflated prices on the internet, so therefore they wouldn't have enough profit, and would have to miss out on buying the new mansion this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrossLOPER
    OMG DID YOU MISS WHERE I SAID IT WOULD BE A PAIN IN THE ASS TO DO???
    Did you miss where I said it's not possible?
    I did not miss that you think it would be excruciating, but I did miss where you explain how it's possible at all.
    Unless you mean "E-mail the source", which is nonsense as I told you.
    But since you shout you must be right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul
    Did you miss where I said it's not possible?
    I did not miss that you think it would be excruciating, but I did miss where you explain how it's possible at all.
    Unless you mean "E-mail the source", which is nonsense as I told you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R'as al Ghul
    Did you miss where I said it's not possible?
    I did not miss that you think it would be excruciating, but I did miss where you explain how it's possible at all.
    Unless you mean "E-mail the source", which is nonsense as I told you.
    But since you shout you must be right.
    Bet you anything that it is possible. But possible is not the same as effective or desirable. Pape has the right of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adidas
    Impossible is nothing
    They have to ban p2p sharing networks, and everything will be right. No more anything of anything.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyspy
    Bet you anything that it is possible. But possible is not the same as effective or desirable. Pape has the right of it.
    I agree, I should've said feasible. Nothing is impossible of course.
    It's just that if they want to filter they're basically throttling all traffic to lower speeds. Filtering and checking against a database takes time. Since they're not only routing GB but international traffic it can pose a huge problem when the nodes in GB slow down all packets. Also, the ISP's are not in favour of this proposal at all because it opens the ISP's to liability for all data transfer.

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