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    Quote Originally Posted by ajaxfetish
    You claimed we were supporting a fallacy. If the averages are in favor of men, that doesn't mean individual men couldn't be worse off than women. This is true; however, it has nothing to do with your original argument, which is what Sasaki was pointing out. Individual men having it worse than individual women is no reason to mess with the pendulum. Only the averages should affect such choices.

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    Good, this is one of the comments I wanted to provoke: that a single pendulum is an over-simplification of reality, even if it seems accurate for measuring averages. The other comment I wanted to provoke was the realization that time delays from reading the value of the goal measurement as basis for making a change, to actually achieving that change in that same measurement, can screw up regulation a lot, and cause extremism even when you think you strive for neutrality/the midpoint.

    In short, people should be treated as individuals and not as groups, and all people should always be on full alertness when a "pendulum" of average values per group is about to pass the midpoint, as there's a huge danger of creating new extremism in the other direction, or even gain greater speed than it already has. Points, which I believe have been illustrated now. I'm glad you agree that the statement I put in quotation marks above is a fallacy.
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    I'm curious. How then has this holier-than-thou attitude and overly long, pretentious posts led to anything more than stating the obvious?
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    Excuse me where did I have such an attitude?

    As for stating the obvious, stating the obvious is the best thing one can do, as most mistakes and misconceptions are about forgetting the obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodion Romanovich
    I'm glad you agree that the statement I put in quotation marks above is a fallacy.
    The old Pit in the Pendulum fallacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent Price as Don Nicholas Medina
    : "Do you know where you are Bartolome? You are about to enter hell. In hell Bartolome, IN HELL!: the dead world, infernal zone, damned house, tortures place, pandemonium, purgatory, avernus, fire, Satan, THE PIT!... and the pendulum."
    from IMDB Pit and the Pendulum (1961). Gregoshi is right: the classics are always the best.
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