Proportionality.

[Fragony]

Talking about a dutch case that is quite the talk here, and I am kinda interested in dutch responses only because they couldn't have missed it, but feel free to hop in.

Just in case, it's about a woman, who was robbed in Amsterdam, the usual suspects grabbed her bag, in response she put the car in reverse and accidently crushed [her assailant] and his 40 braincells between a pole and her car. National sympathy for this women is going through the roof, and the general opinion about this dead robber is have a nice death that's the risk of the trade b-b-b-bye, robbed too many old and sick screw you I hope it hurted very badly and preferably for a very long time. After 3 years of deaththreats and having to live in shelter for obvious reasons she was finally dragged into court despite being on the edge of a nervous breakdown, friendly reporter told me most that came out of it was 'I don't want to be here I don't want to be here' she's a mess, and that with 200 supporters hissing from above who see the fundamental right to rob as the sixth pillar.

What do you brainacs make out of this one, because I think she is being sacrificed for the greater good, which means no riots in Cohen's den, would be terrible for his carreer after all.

[KukriKhan]

Link please (even if in Dutch). Otherwise we just have your account.

[Fragony]

Link please (even if in Dutch). Otherwise we just have your account.

No english links I know of sorry. I pretty much covered it all, and I can't give the name of my contact there. You will have to do with what I give you for now.

Dutch link, but bablefish won't do here

http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven....html#comments

I would love to say that this is a great injustice, but I named the topic proportionanlity for a reason, robbing someone is what the absolute filth of humanity does but it's no crime that deserves death-penalty. I don't blame this lady, lived in Amsterdam for two years and white people have no rights there. She is a black from suriname, and she lost her rights as well now, that is where we are now, only muslims have rights the rest of us have rules.

[Vladimir]

Talking about a dutch case that is quite the talk here, and I am kinda interested in dutch responses only because they couldn't have missed it, but feel free to hop in.

Just in case, it's about a woman, who was robbed in Amsterdam, the usual suspects grabbed her bag, in response she put the car in reverse and accidently crushed [her assailant] and his 40 braincells between a pole and her car. National sympathy for this women is going through the roof, and the general opinion about this dead robber is have a nice death that's the risk of the trade b-b-b-bye, robbed too many old and sick screw you I hope it hurted very badly and preferably for a very long time. After 3 years of deaththreats and having to live in shelter for obvious reasons she was finally dragged into court despite being on the edge of a nervous breakdown, friendly reporter told me most that came out of it was 'I don't want to be here I don't want to be here' she's a mess, and that with 200 supporters hissing from above who see the fundamental right to rob as the sixth pillar.

What do you brainacs make out of this one, because I think she is being sacrificed for the greater good, which means no riots in Cohen's den, would be terrible for his carreer after all.

42!

[Rodion Romanovich]

Talking about a dutch case that is quite the talk here, and I am kinda interested in dutch responses only because they couldn't have missed it, but feel free to hop in.

Just in case, it's about a woman, who was robbed in Amsterdam, the usual suspects grabbed her bag, in response she put the car in reverse and accidently crushed [her assailant] and his 40 braincells between a pole and her car. National sympathy for this women is going through the roof, and the general opinion about this dead robber is have a nice death that's the risk of the trade b-b-b-bye, robbed too many old and sick screw you I hope it hurted very badly and preferably for a very long time. After 3 years of deaththreats and having to live in shelter for obvious reasons she was finally dragged into court despite being on the edge of a nervous breakdown, friendly reporter told me most that came out of it was 'I don't want to be here I don't want to be here' she's a mess, and that with 200 supporters hissing from above who see the fundamental right to rob as the sixth pillar.

What do you brainacs make out of this one, because I think she is being sacrificed for the greater good, which means no riots in Cohen's den, would be terrible for his carreer after all.

Interesting legal case. From what I know of laws, there should be a trial for this woman, but of course (assuming your description is correct, which is hard to validate without a link) it would be a scandal if it ended with anything else but her going free and the judge deeming it to be self-defense.

However, by the same laws, those who came with the death threats to her should also go to trial. And if they get anything but a lengthy punishment for illegal threats, it's a scandal by the laws of most European countries.

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Who are the "usual suspects", by the way?

[Rodion Romanovich]

It seems Babelfish did work:

The public prosecutor has required no less than THIRTY months cell against Germaine C. THIRTY months because she squeezed to death veelplegend, tasjesrovend, assaulting kloodtzakje in 2005, accidentally in obscurity. Gevalletje ' clearred state netjes '. But according to justice violence was ' disproportioneel '. Incomprehensiblely and to explain. Ms is three years from dato a mental wreck as a result of the action of Ali ell Bejjati and the threats of its 40 still in life is rovers. Incomprehensiblely also because Germaine the same public prosecutor at least six months work saved and the complete judicial system, reclassification and social service barrels to man hours by pressing the stalk male with its nose has saved on the facts. Pay attention, however, it goes for a requirement, the judge pronounces sentence over two weeks. There is therefore still hope * kuch *...

[Rodion Romanovich]

It seems Babelfish did work:

Interesting, it's half-readable even though there's some Dutch woorden in there ...

Well, why didn't her layer claim she was temporarily lost mental control at the time? It's odd how an unprovoked killer can claim that, but someone in a very scary robbery victim situation can't...

Seems the law is pretty messed up in Dutch-land... again

[Fragony]

by the way?

Oh common.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Oh common.

Out of interest, how would you define the group "usual suspects"?

[Fragony]

Out of interest, how would you define the group "usual suspects"?

Those that simply don't belong here? They rob grannies and hiss at dutch girls screw them, we have chinese, hindus, everything, we don't need the islam to channel our dark side. Fed up, tired, extremily cynical and very very angry.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Those that simply don't belong here? They rob grannies and hiss at dutch girls screw them, we have chinese, hindus, everything, we don't need the islam to channel our dark side. Fed up, tired, extremily cynical and very very angry.

Ok, I was hoping you would say "those that are receiving special positive treatment for no reason whatsoever", but this answer of yours is quite good too. I was just a little annoyed about the word "pillar" in your post above which makes a subtle association to "muslim", which isn't the causality in this case. The causality is obviously that they are allowed to immigrate in too large numbers even when they don't need it, and receive special positive treatment and stand above the law in a sense, due to PC people thinking it's racism to NOT let all immigrants stand above the law.

Also out of curiosity, are there no political parties in the Netherlands who are against massive unchecked immigration and special positive treatment for immigrants?

Or, is it only Denmark and Austria who dare take a stance against the segregation problems and resolve them in a morally correct and peaceful way (by having equality before the law for all, and not increasing segregation by faster immigration than the country can handle) rather than either causing chaos (French riots) or letting go and waiting for more segregation problems to build up (Dutch situation, it seems?)?
Edit: tbh I think Denmark will be one of the countries with least segregation problems if they have the guts to continue to stand up against the problem, whereas those that let go too much, and have too much PC policies, will be the countries most likely to see massive racial violence in a few decades from now.

[KukriKhan]

Google is your friend. Story in English.

[Ser Clegane]

Looking at the version Kukri posted, I think the prosecution is entirely justified.
This is hardly self-defense...

[Fragony]

Also out of curiosity, are there no political parties in the Netherlands who are against massive unchecked immigration and special positive treatment for immigrants?

Oh, the netherlands is going to be an interesting place the next months.

In fact she would be guilty of causing death through dangerous driving too .

Yes, hence proportionality

Looking at the version Kukri posted, I think the prosecution is entirely justified.
This is hardly self-defense...

We don't have that here.

[HoreTore]

Fortunately, we don't have castle laws here anymore...

If she intended to kill him because he stole, it's clearly murder.

If it happened accidentally, then it's manslaughter or release.