Iraq: Round Two

[Brenus]

Recognise Kurdistan Independance, carve a part of Tukish territoritory to give to te new state.
Turkey recognised Kosovo so should accept gracefully the consequence of this for itself.

[Oleander Ardens]

War usually begins with great promises and happiness - and ends with sorrow. In this moment the turkish goverment has done what the people and the PKK wanted. I just hope that it doesn't end in tragedy...

BTW a united Kurdistan would indeed be best longterm solution. But giving the kurdish regions far more autonomy would be the easiest way to solve this mess.

[Fragony]

Turkey has the right to defend itselve, good hunting. The otherwise so vocal peace-movement seems to agree, oh the silence...... I guess only western agression is bad.

[Pannonian]

Turkey has the right to defend itselve, good hunting. The otherwise so vocal peace-movement seems to agree, oh the silence...... I guess only western agression is bad.

You've missed out one aspect of western aggression which makes it bad for us in particular. It costs our taxmoney. If we can go barging around and impose our costs on those we go barging into, it wouldn't be as bad. Although destablisation in that area of the world isn't going to be good, whoever pays for it, since we all pay in the end in the form of higher fuel costs.

Future presidents and prime ministers should get their kicks in strategic backwaters, instead of these important places where only grown ups ought to play. I hear there are terrorists in Tahiti that deserve our undivided attention.

[LeftEyeNine]

Kurdistan gets no ****** territory from Turkey. Full stop. There are 13 millions of them living in Turkey, most of them living in the western part rather than where people claim the Kurds' homeland is.

I don't like them at all. They need to change their feudalist mindsets before asking for something. Even in their so-called independence struggle, PKK is coping with leadership problems. It's not been more than a week since one of the two leadership contenders' -Murat Karayılan- 5 men were poisoned to death by his rival. The event ended up with the killing of 4 men loyal to his rival who were working in the kitchen. When you have a "cause", you need to unite, not fight over who the leader is.

I never and ever believe Kurds deserve independence. There are always landlords among them, who only think about their very selfish benefits who seem to be serving Kurds' political causes. Even in a more liberal environment such as N. Iraq, they have two parties which still fail at agreeing at some terms. They are not united at all.

What's more, if you want freedom, you go for it. No one gives another freedom. We didn't get it that way and we'll not give it that way either. If you're up for a demand of something which belongs to another for the time being, you're up for a fight. And considering the 30.000 people including women and babies murdered by PKK (I can provide photos but they are graphic), it's more of a terrorist organization rather than people fighting for independence. And regarding the condition they are in, they have failed.

However, no one will forget those "lost American weapons" in N. Iraq. US will always be contacting PKK in some way, supporting or helping against them from time to time, always seeming to be "against terrorism". If PKK ends, XYZP will come out, just as PKK did when ASALA had died off (1983-1984). Territorial seperatist plots are being played in this area for nearly a century. Nothing new will happen as long as Turkey can be economically independent someday.

They have a political party in the Turkish parliament (DTP). But it seems this is their "fun". They can't stop acting like terrorists. Things didn't get better since they are in that parliament.

[Tribesman]

You don't think there's a slight difference between organizations such as PKK and al-Qaeda? The PKK fights for independence (just like the Americans did back in the 18th century, but we would never call Americans terrorists, right?

So you can take the vast majority of terrorist groups in the world and declare that they are not terrorists then Innocentius .
BTW since Al-qaida wasn't in Iraq (apart from the American protected Kurdish areas) when Iraq was invaded what has Al-qaida got to do with it ?

[Vladimir]

Nevermind. No poke the badger today.

[Innocentius]

So you can take the vast majority of terrorist groups in the world and declare that they are not terrorists then Innocentius .
BTW since Al-qaida wasn't in Iraq (apart from the American protected Kurdish areas) when Iraq was invaded what has Al-qaida got to do with it ?

Yes, pretty much. I just think it's interesting how eager the US is in condemning various militias as terrorists (where the word terrorist is synonym for evil anti-American child-eater) while the USA was founded by such terrorists.

al-Qaeda was just an example. You could replace it with any random terrorist organization if you'd prefer that.