Quote Originally Posted by Hound of Ulster
quite true



you lost me after that one, Vuk.



And its just as stupid as phrenology too.

I think more in terms of 'nation' than false terms like 'race', and I take a very wide view of membership in a 'nation'. If you speak the language and are familiar with at least some of the customs, you are a member of that 'nation' that live in, regardless of religion or the heritage of your ancestors. The problem for Jewish people is that they are sometimes forced into declaring themselves a 'nation' rathering than what they really are, a religious community. So you have the issue of Jewish religion vs. Jewish 'nation', which really is an intellectual false choice as the two are mutually exclusive.



you see more criticisms of Israel's actions and Zionism in the Israeli press than in Europe and the U.S.
lol, this just came in as I was posting my last message.
About Palestine and the liberal media messing with Isreal, I have already said that is a discussion that I will not get into (and indeed, you probably know far too little about to get into). I have spent years researching it and will save my arguements for academic Journals, not gaming forums.

As for the criticisms they recieve, I am tempted to answer that (indeed, I wrote a responce and deleted it), but will refrain.

As for what you said on 'race' and 'nation'. A nation can be compromised of many different races, and (in most cases) has nothing to do with the genetic comprisal of the inhabitants. I also already stated that the common conception of a "Jewish Nation" is Barney, so I guess I fail to see where you are coming from.