Why cant i get Marian armies?

**vtbrandon** · 03-01-2008, 05:59

I searched through the forums and found an old post saying all you need is one imperial palace on mainland italy in order for the Marian reforms to take place.

I have 4; Capua, Lilybauem, Syracuse, and Messana...all fully upgraded with every building imaginable...im really really in desperate need of Marian armies because Egpyt controls all of asia minor and all of north africa up to Lepicus Magna (sp?)...

problem is i control all of africa from the tip of spain to Thapsus and in a very bloody war with egypt...and as you all can imagine, pre-marian armies are SLAUGHTERED by egyptian armies, there is literally no way i can win these battles...i go in with 10 units of fully armored, 3-chevroned (from pantheons to vulcan) triarii, 3-4 generals and their bodyguards and 6-7 units of equites...they just cant stand up to chariots, pharohs bowmen and pharohs pikemen..even on the pre-battle screen itll say i am favored 3:1 but when i fight it i usually loose 75-90% of my army and kill about 20% of thiers...even when i auto-calc (figure 3:1 maybe the PC can do a better job) i loose even worse..one battle i took 726 troops in and came out with 82 and killed just over 100 egyptians

the ONLY thing keeping me alive right now is that im out-producing egypt so i have 4 or 5 armies when they send 1

WHERE ARE MY MARIAN REFORMS!?!?! thanks for any replies

**Ibn-Khaldun** · 03-01-2008, 10:08

You need ! imperial palace in Italy and one in somewhere else ..
Those 4 have all hidden resource italy so I think they are all counted as italian towns ..
The best city to upgrade to huge city status outside Italy is Carthage .. it's population increases very fast so you shouldn't have any problem ..

You are playng Scipii .. right??

**Quirinus** · 03-01-2008, 11:27

I think there is also a minumum date specified, if I remember correctly. 220 B.C. or something like that.

But yes, I hate fighting Egypt. What difficulty are you playing on?

**Horseman** · 03-01-2008, 12:50

Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

You need ! imperial palace in Italy and one in somewhere else ..
Those 4 have all hidden resource italy so I think they are all counted as italian towns ..
The best city to upgrade to huge city status outside Italy is Carthage .. it's population increases very fast so you shouldn't have any problem ..

You are playng Scipii .. right??

Ive never heard of needing an imperial palace away from Italy as well as on it. Indeed in every Roman campiagn I have played once I get an Imperial Palace in Italy the reforms kick in and in a recent test I ran I certainly did not have an Imperial palace outside of Italy and still got the reforms.

Im patched to 1.5, which AFAIK does not have a minimum date (in my test I used the add population cheat and had Lilybaeum grow to 24,000 very quickly so it was only about 15 years into a campaign when i got the reforms)

vtbrandon - are you running any mods at all?

**Omanes Alexandrapolites** · 03-01-2008, 15:17

Horseman is correct - it's only one Imperial Palace on the Itallian Peninsular (Scilly and the Northern Itallian Gallic provinces included) that is not in Rome. This Palace can belong to any Roman faction. Research into the subject also shows no limit into the number of turns the player has to wait for them to be triggered in 1.5 - anytime will do, although in earlier patches some did think that a date restriction did exist.

I do recall a problem like this occuring before, although my searches aren't yeilding anything useful. I think the only solution was to try and find an old save game before an Imperial Palace was built in the triggering regions. Hopefully the reforms would be triggered second time round.

Good luck

**Horseman** · 03-01-2008, 16:21

The other option would be to open up export_descr_units and swap all the Roman units around. So that Hastati and like requires the reforms and legions and like dont. this will simulate the reforms for this campaign (if you dont fancy going back to the save game before you built your 1st imperial palace)

The only thing you will probably be missing is Armoured generals for all factions

**Quirinus** · 03-01-2008, 19:21

I see. I think date restrictions are in place for v1.3-- I distinctly remember playing with the Julii and conquering Rome on pre-Marian troops, quite a while back.