Why cant i get Marian armies?

You need ! imperial palace in Italy and one in somewhere else ..
Those 4 have all hidden resource italy so I think they are all counted as italian towns ..
The best city to upgrade to huge city status outside Italy is Carthage .. it's population increases very fast so you shouldn't have any problem ..

You are playng Scipii .. right??

I think there is also a minumum date specified, if I remember correctly. 220 B.C. or something like that.

But yes, I hate fighting Egypt. What difficulty are you playing on?

Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

You need ! imperial palace in Italy and one in somewhere else ..
Those 4 have all hidden resource italy so I think they are all counted as italian towns ..
The best city to upgrade to huge city status outside Italy is Carthage .. it's population increases very fast so you shouldn't have any problem ..

You are playng Scipii .. right??

Ive never heard of needing an imperial palace away from Italy as well as on it. Indeed in every Roman campiagn I have played once I get an Imperial Palace in Italy the reforms kick in and in a recent test I ran I certainly did not have an Imperial palace outside of Italy and still got the reforms.

Im patched to 1.5, which AFAIK does not have a minimum date (in my test I used the add population cheat and had Lilybaeum grow to 24,000 very quickly so it was only about 15 years into a campaign when i got the reforms)

vtbrandon - are you running any mods at all?

Horseman is correct - it's only one Imperial Palace on the Itallian Peninsular (Scilly and the Northern Itallian Gallic provinces included) that is not in Rome. This Palace can belong to any Roman faction. Research into the subject also shows no limit into the number of turns the player has to wait for them to be triggered in 1.5 - anytime will do, although in earlier patches some did think that a date restriction did exist.

I do recall a problem like this occuring before, although my searches aren't yeilding anything useful. I think the only solution was to try and find an old save game before an Imperial Palace was built in the triggering regions. Hopefully the reforms would be triggered second time round.

Good luck

The other option would be to open up export_descr_units and swap all the Roman units around. So that Hastati and like requires the reforms and legions and like dont. this will simulate the reforms for this campaign (if you dont fancy going back to the save game before you built your 1st imperial palace)

The only thing you will probably be missing is Armoured generals for all factions

I see. I think date restrictions are in place for v1.3-- I distinctly remember playing with the Julii and conquering Rome on pre-Marian troops, quite a while back.

There were date restictions in 1.1. IIRC in 1.0 the reforms were triggered as soon as an Imperial palace was built anywhere. In 1.1 it also required a certain date and then in 1.5 (or maybe 1.3) They took away the date criteria and changed it so that you needed an Imperial palace built in a region with the hidden resourse italy.

yes im playing medium/very hard difficulty as scipii..when i posted this originally it was 176 BC but my current year now in the campaign is 153 BC and still no reforms

not running any mods just my specialized version of RTW where every building is 1 turn build time (i loose interest when it takes so long to build stuff)..kinda fun actually because its unbelieveable how challenging that makes the game, because everything is built so fast your constantly running out of money until you get a few cities with dockyards and curias, and the british and egyptians end up controlling the majority of the map which is good because i got tired of the julii and brutii being too powerful

anyway ive never had this problem before, Thapsus is fully upgraded now too so that should count as my non-italian city


problem im having now is i cant get anymore cities to gain population, carthange is at 19800 ppl and 0% growth rate; all my major cities are at -0.5

the smaller cities like caralis and nepte are 2% so their doing ok but im afraid the same thing will happen to them that happened to the other cities theyll get to 18 or 19000 and decrease or level off in population...i can try and taking a massive city like alexandria and enslaving the populace but that would prolly require 10 or 12 armies lol arghhhhh