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    Quote Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
    Gawain this article is completely false. I'll give you 3 reasons and I want you to address them:

    1. Japan is homogenous and doesn't have immigration therefore their existence as a nation is not gonna end as long as people have even one kid. The only minority in Japan is some Koreans from middle ages and some native populations in the north. None compare to the collosal 140 million japanese.
    The decline in their population is due to their shrinking of employment opportunities, therefore a good thing IMO.

    2. Germany has more people then it has eve had. How can this article claim that their sewage(sp?) is being underused when in fact more people live per city then the time the sewage was built? That's just ridiculous.

    3. Christianity is not a way of life. Going to church has nothing to do with how you treat your wife, when you get married, or even how many children you have. China is atheist, why did they have such high rise? Again it's ridiculous. IMHO the falling birth rates are caused by the fact that more people have careers and live in cities and have a high standard of living. Why would I want 5 kids when I could have 1 or 2 and still be able to work. Also the women would lose 18 months. Taht's over a year of employment.

    Please answer these, I think we all want to know why you would take this article seriously.

    Gawain...are you gonna reply to this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good
    Nope. Like the Euros, we get enough immigration to balance it out.
    Hey.There is pretty much immigration coming here too,If your immigrants are coming mainly from Latin America.Immigration to Europe is mainly from Asia and Africa.
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    I'm not disagreeing.

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    Japan is homogenous and doesn't have immigration therefore their existence as a nation is not gonna end as long as people have even one kid.
    And when the last couple has the last kid then what?

    2. Germany has more people then it has eve had. How can this article claim that their sewage(sp?) is being underused when in fact more people live per city then the time the sewage was built? That's just ridiculous.
    He didnt say it effected all of Germany .

    Christianity is not a way of life
    Obviously your not a christian.

    Going to church has nothing to do with how you treat your wife
    And it also has nothing to do with being a christian however I would maintain that being a christain does indeed effect how you treat your wife. Muslims treat their very differently just in case you hadnt noticed.

    IMHO the falling birth rates are caused by the fact that more people have careers and live in cities and have a high standard of living
    Thats the point. People worship having fun and the almighty dollar over family and decency. They live only for today and themselves.

    Why would I want 5 kids when I could have 1 or 2 and still be able to work
    Wait until you have one. I grew up with 6 brothers and I wouldnt want any of them not to have been born even though I would have had much more monetary things as a kid and a much bigger inheritance now.

    Also the women would lose 18 months. Taht's over a year of employment.
    How horrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good
    I'm not disagreeing.
    Sorry i misread your post.
    I think its time to me to go to bed if im gonna get up tomorrow for work its 3:15 am in here.
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    Sorry i misread your post.
    No probalo. I do it too.

    I think its time to me to go to bed if im gonna get up tomorrow for work its 3:15 am in here.
    Nighty night!

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    =Gawain of Orkeny]And when the last couple has the last kid then what?
    What is this the high school debating club? We both know that's neve gonna hapen.

    He didnt say it effected all of Germany .
    Well then that's called *cherry-picking*. Anyone with half a brain can just pick 2 or more towns(not cities) and say they have sewage problems in any country of the world.


    Obviously your not a christian.
    So what? Only are allowed to have family values?


    And it also has nothing to do with being a christian however I would maintain that being a christain does indeed effect how you treat your wife. Muslims treat their very differently just in case you hadnt noticed.
    I'm not talking about other religions. To me they are all equally worthless. In Europe white europeans are not converting to Islam, so even that point is void. Seeing as most prefer atheism, there's nothing there that allows for debauchery that hasn't already existed when everyone was Christian.


    Thats the point. People worship having fun and the almighty dollar over family and decency. They live only for today and themselves.
    Isn't that the way we have always lived? Seriously. Has there ever been theocracy in the US, because that's the only way what you just described could have been prevented.



    Wait until you have one. I grew up with 6 brothers and I wouldnt want any of them not to have been born even though I would have had much more monetary things as a kid and a much bigger inheritance now.
    I'm miserable enough with one brother, any more and I would be suicidal. To think of all the money that could have been spent on me instead of him is mind-boggling.

    The article is stupid. Period.

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    Wolves are going back to their age old hunting grounds? Excellent! They were there before the peopel were.

    Thats the point. People worship having fun and the almighty dollar over family and decency. They live only for today and themselves.
    Wait a second. You can live for today and not care about money and still love your family. Just because people aren't afraid they're going to burn in hell doesn't mean they all love money and hate their family.

    And this articale frankly scares me. It reeks of racial purity in my mind. I think it's time people realized that no one is racially pure of any sort. Everyone has genes from all over the place.

    How about instead of having more kids, they adopt? There are a whole bunch of homeless kids around the world. My aunt and uncle said when they adopted my little cousin from China, there were a whole bunch more children that didn't have any kids.

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    The article is stupid. Period.
    Probably because the author of the article is a stupid person .

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    Whats wrong with people wanting to perserve their race? I dont think whit people are better tan any others, but i dont want to see our heritage/culture die out. The same goes for any race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
    Why? It isnt going down in the rest of the world.
    The "Baby-Boom" only affected the main combantant nations in WWII, they have a different population profile.
    The problem is that they cant even maitain the population they have now.
    Whose problem, nameless faceless bureaucrats managing an infrastructure.

    If there are less people in the country, there will be less demand in the country, less demand cheaper prices overall in the country: Economics 101. Good for the consumer, bad for business.

    NOTE: Some commodities that have an international demand, like oil, will be unaffected. So business involved in these will be fine.
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    Whats wrong with people wanting to perserve their race?
    Well the author is American , the person he quotes is Canadian , so out of the mish mash of races that make up the population of those countries what race are they talking about ? The same goes for Europe , what race , heritage or culture ?
    Or are they just babbling on about some non existant white christian race ?

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    It's actually very touching how caring Gawain is over us Europeans sex life and future exitence. I must say I am in tears.....

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    It's actually very touching how caring Gawain is over us Europeans sex life and future exitence. I must say I am in tears...
    Oh yeah. Well I dont give two craps about the sex life and future exitence of Indonesians. My only concern obviously is for the white race. I guess bemoaning the fact that your people are slowly making themselves extinct makes you a racist around here these days.
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    Again as far as genetics is concerned we are a single race.

    A white horse is not a different race to a brown horse.

    The differences are cultural, religion and technology.

    BTW methinks Bmolsson is of European descent (he can correct me if I am wrong).
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    The only concern I have with the declining cultures is that if we give immigrants the vote, then they can change our culture in fundemental ways.

    I dont think the spanish over here would, but the muslims have some very different takes on the world that I dont think real europeans would appreciate being forced on them.

    I dont plan on having any children so I guess im part of the problem, but if the mexicans ever try their "reconquista" - ill be ready to fight them.

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    Again as far as genetics is concerned we are a single race.
    We maybe a single species but we are not a single race though at one time we probably were.

    A white horse is not a different race to a brown horse.
    Nope but therea more thata differnt between say colored people. pc crap., and us thanjust the color of our skin.

    10 entries found for race.
    race1 Audio pronunciation of "race" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rs)
    n.

    1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
    2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
    3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
    4. Humans considered as a group.
    5. Biology.
    1. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
    2. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
    6. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.


    [French, from Old French, from Old Italian razza, race, lineage.]

    Usage Note: The notion of race is nearly as problematic from a scientific point of view as it is from a social one. European physical anthropologists of the 17th and 18th centuries proposed various systems of racial classifications based on such observable characteristics as skin color, hair type, body proportions, and skull measurements, essentially codifying the perceived differences among broad geographic populations of humans. The traditional terms for these populationsCaucasoid (or Caucasian), Mongoloid, Negroid, and in some systems Australoidare now controversial in both technical and nontechnical usage, and in some cases they may well be considered offensive. (Caucasian does retain a certain currency in American English, but it is used almost exclusively to mean “white” or “European” rather than “belonging to the Caucasian race,” a group that includes a variety of peoples generally categorized as nonwhite.) The biological aspect of race is described today not in observable physical features but rather in such genetic characteristics as blood groups and metabolic processes, and the groupings indicated by these factors seldom coincide very neatly with those put forward by earlier physical anthropologists. Citing this and other pointssuch as the fact that a person who is considered black in one society might be nonblack in anothermany cultural anthropologists now consider race to be more a social or mental construct than an objective biological fact.
    Scienticly speaking of course you are correct. But I would hate to see all black horses dissapear from the earth as weel . Also these
    The differences are cultural, religion and technology.
    are the things that we are most in danger of losing.
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    Or gaining in the melting pot.

    All I need to do is go up to the local food hall and have a wealth of options to choose from in food.
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    Or gaining in the melting pot.
    You put too much of anything in that pot and it starts to obtain the flavor of what ever it is your adding. Thats not always a good thing.
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    Do you think as an immigrant who is married to an immigrant, who is the son of immigrants, who is the grandchild of immigrants that I am at all intimidated by immigrants?
    Our genes maybe in the basement but it does not stop us chosing our point of view from the top.
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    I am an immigrant too. Nearly all US/Australia/NZ/Canada etc. (New World Countries) citizens are immigrants. They are what make these countries who they are now.
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    I am an immigrant too. Nearly all US/Australia/NZ/Canada etc. (New World Countries) citizens are immigrants. They are what make these countries who they are now.
    No irs not. Most people who emigrated to these counties did so in the beggining and for the most part from Europe and they got their Laws and governments from being part of the British Empire. I have no problem with legal immigration . But what we have now is chaos both here and over there. Again Rome never really fell. Just so many people or barbarians became Romans that they were no longer a race . That and the fact I believe that their birth rate also couldnt maintain the population. I guess its the cost of becoming the most civilised is to make yourself extinct.That or a cruel trick of god.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwitt
    I am an immigrant too. Nearly all US/Australia/NZ/Canada etc. (New World Countries) citizens are immigrants. They are what make these countries who they are now.
    The problem isnt with immigrants that blend with the native culture while adding some nice new flavor, but with the ones that try to change the culture to the way things are in the country they left.

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    The problem isnt with immigrants that blend with the native culture while adding some nice new flavor, but with the ones that try to change the culture to the way things are in the country they left.
    Like Kosovo and it can be argued Israel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
    Oh yeah. Well I dont give two craps about the sex life and future exitence of Indonesians. My only concern obviously is for the white race. I guess bemoaning the fact that your people are slowly making themselves extinct makes you a racist around here these days.
    Just for the record;

    Indonesians don't need any help with sex or reproduction....

    bmolsson is a Swede and will always be one. Even though he have adapted to the Indonesian passion for sex and reproduction......

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    The only concern I have with the declining cultures is that if we give immigrants the vote, then they can change our culture in fundemental ways.
    Give up your vote Panzer you immigrant

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
    Sucks for you Euros. Luckily, us Americans are as prolific is ever.
    Actually it makes sense. All nations with fundamentalistic views have a very high brithrate. Another evidence on the US theocracy......

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmolsson
    Actually it makes sense. All nations with fundamentalistic views have a very high brithrate. Another evidence on the US theocracy......

    hmmm.. Fathers of modern democracy are now a theocracy. News to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King of Atlantis
    hmmm.. Fathers of modern democracy are now a theocracy. News to me.
    It's ok, after all you are from Florida....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
    Well in the year I lived there I didnt meet one Japanese Christain nor did I see any churches.
    I guess you haven't been to Nagasaki then

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