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    Crisis on Wall Street as Lehman Totters,
    Merrill Is Sold, AIG Seeks to Raise Cash
    Fed Will Expand Its Lending Arsenal in a Bid to Calm Markets;
    Moves Cap a Momentous Weekend for American Finance
    By CARRICK MOLLENKAMP, SUSANNE CRAIG, SERENA NG and AARON LUCCHETTI
    September 15, 2008; Page A1


    The American financial system was shaken to its core on Sunday. Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. faced the prospect of liquidation, and Merrill Lynch & Co. agreed to be sold to Bank of America Corp.

    The U.S. government, which bailed out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac a week ago and orchestrated the sale of Bear Stearns Cos. to J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. in March, played much tougher with Lehman. It refused to provide a financial backstop to potential buyers.
    [A man walks out of the Lehman Brothers building carrying a box of his belongings, in New York, September 14, 2008. Talks faltered when Britain]
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    A man walks out of the Lehman Brothers building carrying a box of his belongings, in New York, Sept. 14.

    Without such support, Barclays PLC and Bank of America, the two most interested buyers, walked away. On Sunday night, Bank of America struck a deal to buy Merrill Lynch for $29 a share, or about $44 billion. Lehman was working on a possible bankruptcy filing that would allow most of its subsidiaries to continue operating as the firm is wound down.

    Though it steered clear of a bailout, the Federal Reserve is expected to take new steps to stabilize the broader financial system. These steps, expected to be temporary, would make it easier for banks and securities firms to borrow from the central bank by using a wider range of collateral. Bankers say these financial institutions might need short-term funds as they unwind their many trading positions with Lehman.

    In addition, 10 major commercial and investment banks announced Sunday night that they would pool $70 billion of their own money to create a borrowing facility. The 10 institutions, which include Citigroup Inc., Credit Suisse Group, Deutsche Bank AG, could tap the pool to help them ride out the crisis. The banks also said they are mutually committed to trying to mitigate market volatility.

    A sense of foreboding gripped Wall Street as top executives feared collateral damage from a Lehman liquidation. Attention was focused on Merrill Lynch, which boasts the largest force of retail brokers, and American International Group Inc., the insurance giant. Both firms have seen their stocks get hammered on worries that they needed capital.

    "Monday will be a day of reckoning for the financial markets," said Carlos Mendez, senior managing director of ICP Capital, a boutique investment firm in New York. On Sunday, he said, "it was like a fire alarm went off and people ran in all directions."

    How long will it be before the financial sector is stabilized, and what will it take to help bring that about? How should investors respond in the meantime? Share your thoughts.

    AIG executives spent the weekend trying to raise cash, either from asset sales or a capital infusion from private-equity firms, or both. AIG executives were meeting with regulators to see if they could transfer capital from some of its subsidiaries to the holding company.

    As worries spread across Wall Street that Lehman wouldn't survive, brokerage firms, hedge funds and other traders moved to disentangle themselves from trades with Lehman. When hopes of a potential sale dimmed, a quiet Sunday on Wall Street turned into a mad rush. Executives and traders hurried to their offices or worked their phones to unwind outstanding contracts with Lehman and to gauge their overall exposure.

    Merrill, whose brokerage force is known as the "thundering herd," quietly entered into discussions with Bank of America, which has retail bank branches stretching from coast to coast and has long coveted Merrill. Wall Street executives said the Federal Reserve may have been involved in orchestrating the sale, figuring that it was "better to save the relatively healthy patient instead of the dying one," said a lawyer involved in the discussions.

    Lehman, a 158-year-old firm that started as an Alabama cotton brokerage, and Merrill, with its trademark bull logo, have been pillars of Wall Street for much of the past century. With the demise of Bear Stearns, three of the Street's five major independent brokers could end up disappearing, leaving only Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Morgan Stanley.


    "We have never seen anything like this," said analyst Glenn Schorr, who covers the investment banks for UBS AG. "There have been tough situations like Long-Term Capital Management and the crash of 1987, but the problem here is there is leverage in the securities under the microscope and in the banks that own them. And to try and unwind it all at once creates a one-way market where there are only sellers, and no buyers."

    The convulsions could lead to even tighter credit, higher borrowing costs and moribund capital markets, as securities firms and commercial banks try to further limit risk and preserve capital. Those moves could cause the U.S. economy to slow further.

    The future of about 25,000 employees at Lehman and an additional 60,000 at Merrill is up in the air. Lehman's work force already has shrunk by about 3,000 in the past year. If the firm essentially goes out of business, most of the remaining employees are likely to lose their jobs. That would deal another blow to New York City's economy, resulting in lower tax revenues on personal income, real-estate transactions and corporate income.

    The damage on Wall Street is the latest consequence of a storm that began last year with the sharp decline in American housing prices and losses on loans and other assets tied to home values. Massive capital infusions have failed to stem write-offs and losses, and financial firms are running out of options to escape the damage.

    Regulators and others were preparing for a hectic Monday. The New York Stock Exchange prepared contingency plans over the weekend to reassign the approximately 200 blue-chip stocks that Lehman's specialist unit trades, according to people familiar with the matter. If Lehman is forced into liquidation, the exchange will likely transfer the stocks to one or more of the remaining specialist firms, most likely using the same technology and staff that currently trade the stocks.

    Dozens of Wall Street desks have trades with Lehman. As word spread that the Barclays deal was falling apart, worries that the company could be thrown into bankruptcy mounted, and traders labored to get out of those contracts.

    At approximately 2:30 p.m., government officials hosted a call, and a trading session was opened to ease fears. One trader said it was agreed that other brokers would pick up contracts that trading desks have with Lehman. If Lehman does open on Monday, the deals struck on Sunday, often at a worse price, would be void. "It is utter chaos here," the trader said.

    At many Wall Street firms, traders of credit-default swaps -- contracts that act as insurance against debt defaults -- were told to come to work immediately. Concerned investors were rushing to buy swaps tied to other brokerages and corporations, sending the cost of protection on investment banks such as Goldman Sachs and others sharply higher.

    In a statement Sunday, the International Swaps and Derivatives Association, a trade group whose members include many large dealers, said a "netting trading session" took place between 2 p.m. and 6 p.m. on Sunday. The idea was to allow firms to try to unwind their derivatives transactions with Lehman by finding other parties to step into Lehman's shoes.


    "The purpose of this session is to reduce risk associated with a potential Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. bankruptcy filing," it said. It added that trades conducted during this period "are contingent on a bankruptcy filing on or before 11:59 p.m. New York time" on Sunday. If no filing takes place, the trades will be canceled, ISDA said.

    Some traders said it was difficult to find new counterparties for many of their outstanding trades with Lehman. The snags included different terms and maturity dates on derivatives contracts, and market prices changed rapidly Sunday afternoon. "People were screaming at each other over the phone, asking: How can this work?" one trader said.

    William Gross, chief investment officer at bond-fund giant Pacific Investment Management Co., said very few Lehman trades were offset. "There's an immediate risk related to the unwind of these positions," he said.

    Many Wall Street firms concluded that a liquidation of Lehman's assets likely would proceed in an orderly fashion, people familiar with the situation said. That means other firms could quickly buy real estate, securities and other investments, preventing the assets from flooding the market. Because of that, these people said, some participants in the New York Fed talks decided that liquidation was no worse an option than selling Lehman to a buyer such as Barclays.

    "There will be an orderly wind down," said one banker involved in the matter. "This was the default option. It happens when you have no buyer."

    The outside firms decided that instead of making guarantees for Barclays or some other purchaser of Lehman, they would prefer to pool their resources and buy the assets themselves, taking on the risks and carrying costs, along with the possibility of profiting down the road.

    Those firms would likely then buy assets such as mortgage-backed securities, leveraged loans, private-equity positions and investments in real estate or hedge funds.

    Roger Freeman, a nine-year Lehman employee who analyzes brokerage firms, spent the weekend gathering cellphone numbers and email addresses from colleagues who also are likely to lose their jobs. He plans to clean out his desk Monday morning. "We worked long hours here, we've made some of our best friends here. We're suddenly being ripped apart," he said. "It's just unbelievable."


    Lehman, a 158-year-old firm that started as an Alabama cotton brokerage, and Merrill, with its trademark bull logo, have been pillars of Wall Street for much of the past century. With the demise of Bear Stearns, three of the Street's five major independent brokers could end up disappearing, leaving only Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Morgan Stanley.
    This is very serious.The market reacted very badly today.



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    I think we are sunk. I feel like we've had a year long stomach bug and just can't stop throwing up. It can either clear up or we can dehydrate and die.
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    Rest in Peace TosaInu, the Org will be your legacy
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    Companies fail. Sometimes Big companies fail. Sometimes big companies with allot of investments fail. Are we in a bad time? Yes. Should we be selling everything and moving to the woods? no.
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    There is an upside to everything. Complete collapse of society would allow me to indulge in my horrific underlying blood lust while forging massive alliances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff View Post
    There is an upside to everything. Complete collapse of society would allow me to indulge in my horrific underlying blood lust while forging massive alliances.
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    $50 billion? bill gates could have straight up bought merrill lynch. lol?
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    Well, its not THAT bad as it may sound. It would affect Wall Street alot more than "Main Street" or the common man. That being said, this recent trend with Bears Sterns and now these two is very troubling. AIG may also be in some financial troubles too from what I am hearing
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    Quote Originally Posted by TevashSzat View Post
    Well, its not THAT bad as it may sound. It would affect Wall Street alot more than "Main Street" or the common man. That being said, this recent trend with Bears Sterns and now these two is very troubling. AIG may also be in some financial troubles too from what I am hearing
    Three out of the five main investment bank firms failing is VERY BAD. Getting into my core accounting studies and paying attention the news has taught me that regulation is a good thing.



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    Natural selection and the lifecycle of the economy.

    Nothing that won't at some point take a turn for the better again.
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    And AIG will declare bankruptcy tomorrow...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FactionHeir View Post
    Natural selection and the lifecycle of the economy.

    Nothing that won't at some point take a turn for the better again.
    Well yeah... that's the nature of cyclical economies. The question is how bad is it and WHEN will it take a turn for the better.



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    Slash and Burn.

    I have faith(and REALLY hope it isn't misplaced) that out of the ashes, new innovation and management will emerge from someplace new.

    However, in the meantime, of course, that means we're in the flames.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kush View Post
    Getting into my core accounting studies and paying attention the news has taught me that regulation is a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by makaikhaan View Post
    Slash and Burn.

    I have faith(and REALLY hope it isn't misplaced) that out of the ashes, new innovation and management will emerge from someplace new.

    However, in the meantime, of course, that means we're in the flames.
    Bah. The management is getting golden parachutes and will have tens of millions of dollars.

    We need a law, so that if public funds are used to bail a company out, the top tiers of management go to a real criminal (not white collar) jail, for at least five years, and more the higher your position.

    That might be a bit harsh, so maybe we should just seize their assets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit View Post
    Bah. The management is getting golden parachutes and will have tens of millions of dollars.

    We need a law, so that if public funds are used to bail a company out, the top tiers of management go to a real criminal (not white collar) jail, for at least five years, and more the higher your position.

    That might be a bit harsh, so maybe we should just seize their assets.

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    I never stated it was perfect; nor did I say that the new "out of ashes" companies wouldn't themselves rage into an inferno eventually. However, you're dead right that the golden parachutes are ridiculous. You're actually quite more lenient than me on it(see my post in the other thread).

    EDIT: Cripes, I think I had about 20 posts today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    Why do you hate freedom?
    Actually, Lemur, I love freedom. Regulation in the financial sector insures freedom loving people have a fair chance and play by the rules. God I sound like such a democrat.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit View Post
    Bah. The management is getting golden parachutes and will have tens of millions of dollars.
    Although I agree somewhat, the golden parachute has it's uses. It's a good defense mechanism for hostile takeovers. It definately needs tweaked though.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit View Post
    Bah. The management is getting golden parachutes and will have tens of millions of dollars.

    We need a law, so that if public funds are used to bail a company out, the top tiers of management go to a real criminal (not white collar) jail, for at least five years, and more the higher your position.

    That might be a bit harsh, so maybe we should just seize their assets.

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    Here, Here!!

    If it's "too big to fail", it's too damn big. And paying off the hired guns (aka CEO's and CFO's) to preside over the demise, and try to hook the taxpayer to bail them out = Grand Theft, Corporate.

    We sould make a game outta this debacle.
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    Actually, Lemur, I love freedom. Regulation in the financial sector insures freedom loving people have a fair chance and play by the rules. God I sound like such a democrat.
    *Cackles maniacally*
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    My economic study times have been a long while ago now, but I've been wondering, why should the average Joe out there care if an investment bank goes bust or not. Don't they just make rich people richer and give a way for a select few people to make money quickly? Outside of that, how do they impact on the average Joe out there anyway, who doesn't invest in stocks, fonds and bonds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    Why do you hate freedom?
    I was about to make exactly the same post before I scrolled down.

    The disease is spreading...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kush View Post
    Actually, Lemur, I love freedom. Regulation in the financial sector insures freedom loving people have a fair chance and play by the rules. God I sound like such a democrat.
    Yep you just crossed the line into the European zone of 'freedom from', you Communist!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FactionHeir View Post
    My economic study times have been a long while ago now, but I've been wondering, why should the average Joe out there care if an investment bank goes bust or not. Don't they just make rich people richer and give a way for a select few people to make money quickly? Outside of that, how do they impact on the average Joe out there anyway, who doesn't invest in stocks, fonds and bonds?
    I don't know about America, but down here most of the retirement funds that people get are put into investment funds that invest in all of the above things - hence a huge drop like this that is likely to cause a great deal of problems for retirement plans. I know that last quarter almost all of the retirement funds in Australia lost money and I expect that this quarter will be much the same.

    Plus it can cause job losses.
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    Ah, the downside of capitalism. I have no compassion for them. Indiscriminate gambling at every level of management and cutthroat internal politics are recipe for this kind of thing. It's about time Wall Street went down the tubes. They're still paying for the excess days of the 80s. I say the more the merrier.
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    So basically the investors are playing with people's retirements and themselves getting paid 6 digit bonusses in addition to their salary. Those bonusses could go into the retirement funds to alleviate the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountArach View Post
    I don't know about America, but down here most of the retirement funds that people get are put into investment funds that invest in all of the above things - hence a huge drop like this that is likely to cause a great deal of problems for retirement plans. I know that last quarter almost all of the retirement funds in Australia lost money and I expect that this quarter will be much the same.

    Plus it can cause job losses.
    Much the same here (re: the effect of all this on "average Joe") Since the demise of the fixed-benefit retirement plans of pre 1980's, most pension plans ride the market, looking for the best return on investment - and they are major players. CalPERS (Calif state employees pension) and TSP (federal & military retirement plan) are huge. The end result is that "average Joe" who'd hoped to retire at 55, 56, 57 years old, will now have to work into his 60's, and maybe even have to rely (gasp!) on that old beast, Social Security to sustain himself.
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    Well, plans to paint the world orange aside, what this really shows us is that even large mega corporations can collapse. Maybe they don't run the world after all. Or maybe some bigger, megaer corporation is secretly pulling the strings here.

    Maybe it's the work of Big Bottled Water!


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    Bah. The management is getting golden parachutes and will have tens of millions of dollars.

    We need a law, so that if public funds are used to bail a company out, the top tiers of management go to a real criminal (not white collar) jail, for at least five years, and more the higher your position.

    That might be a bit harsh, so maybe we should just seize their assets.

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    I agree. There needs to be a real and serious punishment for these kinds of failures. Ir reminds me of a sure thing massive bank robbery. These guys are taking home a million or more a year for years running and covering up data to make their salaries higher - bank robbery.

    Send them to a sodomy filled prison for 5 years.
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    So basically the investors are playing with people's retirements and themselves getting paid 6 digit bonusses in addition to their salary. Those bonusses could go into the retirement funds to alleviate the problem.
    It seems to me that the firms failing right now aren't the traditional stock and mutual funds, but firms that have made up a bunch of new financial gimmicks, I suppose you could call them, new packages to invest in couple with very poor risk management, and its those firms that are suffering.

    So I don't think we'll see a huge problem for the common man. I'm reading up at realclearmarkets right now, though.

    Plus it can cause job losses.
    Why do you care for Wall Street fools?

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