Congratulations Sweden

[Kadagar_AV]

Like all immigration stats (your own country included) it includes anyone who is granted residence.

Edit - just realised I was wrong its granted Residence not Permanent Residence which would be citizenship - have confirmed however this is also true of Swedish immigration stats

No, the stats for Sweden I gave is permanent residency, citizenship.

[Sir Moody]

they don't add up then - according to your governments statistics site (which is a nightmare for a non Swedish speaker) - your Government granted 50167 citizenships in 2013

you have a population of 9644864 so that isn't 1% of your population - its 0.5%

your immigration total was at 115845 which is 1.2% so you must be mistaking the stats...

(taken from http://www.scb.se/sv_/Hitta-statisti...--Riket/26040/)

[Kadagar_AV]

That source says immigration 2013 was 115.845

You read "Changed to Swedish citizenship"...

This source is more clear:

http://www.migrationsverket.se/downl...77636/tab1.pdf

first column left is yearly immigration...

Might be that guest students are counted here as well though (but that isnt many thousand).

[Sir Moody]

I think you are misinterpreting it - much like the German and UK statistics the total immigration is not total citizenship merely total granted residence (either via EU membership, Asylum or Applied)

the EU stats for 2012 agree with your Government's stats for 2012 on that page... (see http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statist...ion_statistics)

[Fragony]

Does it matter, you aren't exactly hauling in what is friendly towards you. You must have to be deeply cynical to import voters that hate everything that just happens to be good about you, just to get votes.. And jobs at the EU, the UN if you are really lucky

[Husar]

Does it matter, you aren't exactly hauling in what is friendly towards you. You must have to be deeply cynical to import voters that hate everything that just happens to be good about you, just to get votes.. And jobs at the EU, the UN if you are really lucky

What matters is that you are wrong.

[Fragony]

What matters is that you are wrong.

About the left importing voters?

[Husar]

About the left importing voters?

That and that all of them somehow hate what's good about us.
You only see the few troublemakers and then make blanket statements about all the others who actually like it here unless you/we continue to marginalize them.

[Papewaio]

About the left importing voters?

I wonder what the stats look like when factored for age, gender and education.

[Fragony]

That and that all of them somehow hate what's good about us.
You only see the few troublemakers and then make blanket statements about all the others who actually like it here unless you/we continue to marginalize them.

I don't have have a problem with the immigrants, they are welcome. I have a problem with the multiuctural left who just don't understand that they aren't needed for everyone to live together in a normal way. Society is not a testlab for their fundamentalist thoughts on how a multiculturalist society should be. I am fine with immigrants not integrating, I will never ask them to, why should they. I got no problem with anything unless it intrudes. But the multicultural lefts has this vision of how society must be and they will never take no for an answer, they will never stop trying to make things as they would like to see it. I don't mind differences as long as nobody gets hurt.

[Husar]

But the multicultural lefts has this vision of how society must be and they will never take no for an answer, they will never stop trying to make things as they would like to see it.

And you don't?

[Fragony]

And you don't?

No I don't, I don't even vote. I don't see society as a testlab. Multiculturalism is a religion and I don't like religion. I don't have to prove anything, multiculturelalists do, and desperatily hold on to their flawed ideas and claw out the eyes of anyone who doesn't agree with them.

[Papewaio]

Pakistan isn't a multicultural society...

[Fragony]

Pakistan isn't a multicultural society...

What has Pakistan has to do with it. That I walk with you nonsense is a fine example of multiculturalism. The Sidney shooter probably never wanted to kill anyone but wanted to be killed, suicide by cop. The first reaction from multiculturalists is shrieking that it has nothing to do with islam, and I think that they are right this time, but the reflex is pretty obvious.

[Husar]

No I don't, I don't even vote. I don't see society as a testlab. Multiculturalism is a religion and I don't like religion. I don't have to prove anything, multiculturelalists do, and desperatily hold on to their flawed ideas and claw out the eyes of anyone who doesn't agree with them.

That you don't vote is hardly a good thing.
And there's a lot you have yet to prove, you can't just say you don't have to.
The combination of being wrong and thinking that you don't have anything to prove is also pretty bad.
Can you prove that multicultural societies are statistically worse than others without misreading rape statistics?

What has Pakistan has to do with it. That I walk with you nonsense is a fine example of multiculturalism. The Sidney shooter probably never wanted to kill anyone but wanted to be killed, suicide by cop. The first reaction from multiculturalists is shrieking that it has nothing to do with islam, and I think that they are right this time, but the reflex is pretty obvious.

Do you even know where the "I'll walk with you"-thing came from and who initiated it?
And if that's your standard for shrieking, then please stop shrieking about multiculturalists, it's getting on my nerves.

[Fragony]

Deeply sorry abour your nerves, they must mean a lot to you to get you this upset. You know I am right, or you just don't know I am right yet.

[Gilrandir]

...the multicultural lefts has this vision of how society must be and they will never take no for an answer, they will never stop trying to make things as they would like to see it.
... multiculturelalists ... desperatily hold on to their flawed ideas and claw out the eyes of anyone who doesn't agree with them.

Hmm... Are you sure you are talking of the lefts and multiculturalists in your home country and not about Putin and his Russists?

[Fragony]

Hmm... Are you sure you are talking of the lefts and multiculturalists in your home country and not about Putin and his Russists?

Only the former.