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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    It's worth pointing out that many of the Syrians have gone to Turkey, then Greece, then Macedonia then into Western Europe via the Balkans.

    At some point there they must have stopped being refugees and become economic migrants.

    Add that they themselves say:

    "We don't understand why they will not let us in!! We will not stay, we want to get to germany or sweden!!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    You propose... ... ... ... ... ... ??
    How about you read what I proposed?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    How about you read what I proposed?
    You have not proposed ****. You gave a one-liner if even that, and ended it with a questionmark...

    Should we give them guns and send them back to Syria to fix their country?
    Is that your width and depth of argumentation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    You have not proposed ****. You gave a one-liner if even that, and ended it with a questionmark...

    Is that your width and depth of argumentation?
    I'm sorry for you. It seems that there is nothing I can do.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    I'm sorry for you. It seems that there is nothing I can do.
    Sure is, you can explain what solution to this crisis you find best.

    Instead of the usual bitching and moaning from people who dislike others ideas but have absolutely NOTHING to bring to the tables themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    Sure is, you can explain what solution to this crisis you find best.

    Instead of the usual bitching and moaning from people who dislike others ideas but have absolutely NOTHING to bring to the tables themselves.
    You talk about width and depth to an argument, but propose seriously to any EU country to actually throw out refugees and watch the reaction. Even poop would flush slower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leet Eriksson View Post
    You talk about width and depth to an argument, but propose seriously to any EU country to actually throw out refugees and watch the reaction. Even poop would flush slower.
    No.

    My suggestion has been to sink the ships before they set out to save lives...

    It has also been to drag every ship we find back to where they set off.

    It has also been to set up centers in the actual refugee camps where people can apply for legal immigration status to Europe.

    It has also been to then of course safeguard their travel here would they be accepted.



    Reading comprehension much?

    Now, what do you bring to the table? What is your idea that would be better to stem this human crisis?

    Or was it just YET ANOTHER bitching/moaning post without an idea of your own? I mean, if so you could have just let Husar handle it for ya, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    Reading comprehension much?
    Coming from the guy who can't find my argument.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Coming from the guy who can't find my argument.
    And it was? You could at least have given the #postcount, this is 192.


    Or was it when you said OTHER countries should take their responsibility to accept Africans and Arabs?

    What if they don't want to wreck their home nations?

    I mean... If Poland HATE the idea of immigrants from Africa/Middle East, we can't exactly FORCE them to accept them...

    Specially when we see what has happened to the nations who has accepted them...

    Look at Sweden we LEAD the mass immigration league...

    And now we have:
    * Schools that are a joke.
    * Swedish girls being mass/assault raped left and right.
    * No housing even for our own.
    * Mass unemployment.
    * A wrecked wellfare system.
    * Wrecked national infrastructure.
    * Wrecked general security.

    55 zones the police gave up on as the Africans and Arabs have taken them over to an extent where the police can not guarantee normal functions of society to work...





    And your answer is to tell Poland and others to do what we have done?

    Sorry mate, they are smarter than you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    No.

    My suggestion has been to sink the ships before they set out to save lives...

    It has also been to drag every ship we find back to where they set off.

    It has also been to set up centers in the actual refugee camps where people can apply for legal immigration status to Europe.

    It has also been to then of course safeguard their travel here would they be accepted.



    Reading comprehension much?

    Now, what do you bring to the table? What is your idea that would be better to stem this human crisis?

    Or was it just YET ANOTHER bitching/moaning post without an idea of your own? I mean, if so you could have just let Husar handle it for ya, no?
    I'm glad its just a suggestion. The better idea is already in motion, and some of these refugee cases are rejected, with Germany the lowest at 15% rejections, because the processes in place is complex and they probably thought it out far before some dude on the internet did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    And it was? You could at least have given the #postcount, this is 192.
    If your Swedish culture is this lazy nowadays, it's not surprising that your country is doing so bad.

    You come to a thread, half of which you haven't read, play the clever guy and throw around completely baseless insults because you're too lazy to check the validity of what you say even within this thread.

    You seem like an economic refugee in this thread, we should send you back to where you came from.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    And it was? You could at least have given the #postcount, this is 192.


    Or was it when you said OTHER countries should take their responsibility to accept Africans and Arabs?

    What if they don't want to wreck their home nations?

    I mean... If Poland HATE the idea of immigrants from Africa/Middle East, we can't exactly FORCE them to accept them...

    Specially when we see what has happened to the nations who has accepted them...

    Look at Sweden we LEAD the mass immigration league...

    And now we have:
    * Schools that are a joke.
    * Swedish girls being mass/assault raped left and right.
    * No housing even for our own.
    * Mass unemployment.
    * A wrecked wellfare system.
    * Wrecked national infrastructure.
    * Wrecked general security.

    55 zones the police gave up on as the Africans and Arabs have taken them over to an extent where the police can not guarantee normal functions of society to work...





    And your answer is to tell Poland and others to do what we have done?

    Sorry mate, they are smarter than you.
    Oh my a hot load of BS:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...nogo-zone-myth

    Edit: Whats even more laughable is the idea of a minority of like literally single number percentile wresting control of Europe, the very Europe with advanced economies, functional democracies, powerful militaries and influence, from the majority.
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    Default 30 years of more and more (AND MORE) immigration to Sweden from dubious cultures

    Number of reported rapes, a total in 1975: 768 of which 118 "assault rapes"
    Number of reported rapes, totaling 1995: 1707 of which 289 "assault rapes"
    Number of reported rapes, totaling 2014: 6697 of which 854 "assault rapes"

    The number of reported assault cases, including rough in 1975: 21,518
    The number of reported assault cases, including rough in 1995: 54,333
    The number of reported assault cases, including rough in 2014: 83,324

    The number of reported murder / manslaughter trial, a total of 1975: 170
    The number of reported murder / manslaughter trial, a total of 1995: 643
    The number of reported murder / manslaughter trial, a total of 2014: 792

    The number of reported violent crime, total year 1975: 27016
    The number of reported violent crime, total year 1995: 66131
    The number of violent crimes reported, a total of 2014: 108,071



    Number of ghettos 1975 - 0
    Number of ghettos 2015 - 55



    Ranking in the PISA test before? Top 3 world.
    Ranking now - Somewhere tied with Ecuador last I checked.


    Number of Africans and Arabs chaosing 1975 - next to none.
    Number of Africans and Arabs chaosing 2015 - uncountable.




    Sure, you have to adjust for population growth, from around 8mil to 9,5mil between... So 15-20%.

    As we have negative birth numbers (or had, Africans and Arabs breeds like crazy and in a few generations will outnumber native Swedes, 5 children is still standard in Africa last I checked), you can basically point to the rise in crime and drop everywhere else solely towards having accepted people from trash cultures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    Number of reported rapes, a total in 1975: 768 of which 118 "assault rapes"
    Number of reported rapes, totaling 1995: 1707 of which 289 "assault rapes"
    Number of reported rapes, totaling 2014: 6697 of which 854 "assault rapes"

    The number of reported assault cases, including rough in 1975: 21,518
    The number of reported assault cases, including rough in 1995: 54,333
    The number of reported assault cases, including rough in 2014: 83,324

    The number of reported murder / manslaughter trial, a total of 1975: 170
    The number of reported murder / manslaughter trial, a total of 1995: 643
    The number of reported murder / manslaughter trial, a total of 2014: 792

    The number of reported violent crime, total year 1975: 27016
    The number of reported violent crime, total year 1995: 66131
    The number of violent crimes reported, a total of 2014: 108,071



    Number of ghettos 1975 - 0
    Number of ghettos 2015 - 55



    Ranking in the PISA test before? Top 3 world.
    Ranking now - Somewhere tied with Ecuador last I checked.


    Number of Africans and Arabs chaosing 1975 - next to none.
    Number of Africans and Arabs chaosing 2015 - uncountable.




    Sure, you have to adjust for population growth, from around 8mil to 9,5mil between... So 15-20%.

    As we have negative birth numbers (or had, Africans and Arabs breeds like crazy and in a few generations will outnumber native Swedes, 5 children is still standard in Africa last I checked), you can basically point to the rise in crime and drop everywhere else solely towards having accepted people from trash cultures.
    You heard it here first folks, tiny minorities have taken over Sweden. Abandon all hope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    If your Swedish culture is this lazy nowadays, it's not surprising that your country is doing so bad.

    You come to a thread, half of which you haven't read, play the clever guy and throw around completely baseless insults because you're to lazy to check the validity of what you say even within this thread.

    You seem like an economic refugee in this thread, we should send you back to where you came from.

    Maybe you missed my edit? And you still just bitch and moan.



    Quote Originally Posted by Leet Eriksson View Post
    Yeah, you have no idea what you talk about.

    There ARE 55 zones in Sweden, according to the Swedish police in their last report, where they can no longer guarantee the basic security.

    IE, ambulances need police escort to go in, open shootings on the streets, hand grenades flying left and right... I mean, one part of Sweden have had 9 or 10 hand grenade bombings just this last few weeks..

    Only yesterday we had stone throwing (massive) at policemen in the same area where they also tried to burn down a police department, and also set of an explosive next to a police car with police in it... This simultaneously....


    You talk out of your behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leet Eriksson View Post
    You heard it here first folks, tiny minorities have taken over Sweden. Abandon all hope.
    No, but the 15-20% of the population that make up immigrants from trashy cultures along with their kids (and of course the illegal immigrants not registered), have taken over quite some areas...

    They have also absolutely sky-rocketed the criminal statistics in other areas...

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    Funnier still, the Swedish reports do not list religion of the perpetrators, or their ethnic background, just the fact that they were either born in Sweden or not, something like the majority of the rapes in Sweden are committed by people born in Sweden, this is a natural fact in any country and not just Sweden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    Maybe you missed my edit? And you still just bitch and moan.





    Yeah, you have no idea what you talk about.

    There ARE 55 zones in Sweden, according to the Swedish police in their last report, where they can no longer guarantee the basic security.

    IE, ambulances need police escort to go in, open shootings on the streets, hand grenades flying left and right... I mean, one part of Sweden have had 9 or 10 hand grenade bombings just this last few weeks..

    Only yesterday we had stone throwing (massive) at policemen in the same area where they also tried to burn down a police department, and also set of an explosive next to a police car with police in it... This simultaneously....


    You talk out of your behind.
    I'm gonna have to go with the Journalistic Integrity of a major news publication over some dude on the internet, I'm sorry dude on the internet for your loss :(
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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post

    1. That BBC article is wrong. It makes it look like 25 rapes would be reported if your husband raped you 25 times before the woman went to the police. That's not the case, the reporter must have misunderstood something.

    Yes, the court would hear the testimony of the 25 times and it might impact on his sentence, but it's still ONE man being reported for having raped. Get the difference?


    2. How can you close the thread without even looking at assault cases and the others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    1. That BBC article is wrong.
    I'll wait until they retract the article before ruling it out. If they are wrong, i'm sure a heroic individual such as yourself will be able to correct them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leet Eriksson View Post
    Funnier still, the Swedish reports do not list religion of the perpetrators, or their ethnic background, just the fact that they were either born in Sweden or not, something like the majority of the rapes in Sweden are committed by people born in Sweden, this is a natural fact in any country and not just Sweden.
    They stopped doing that to combat the spreading racism.

    But you are still talking out of your behind.

    It was several years ago that the immigrants started to commit the majority of rapes. So you are not even right on your basic assumptions.

    So, 15-20% of the men commit more than 50% of the rapes....

    Then, we must remember that some immigrant groups actually are under-represented, Is it even strange?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    1. That BBC article is wrong.
    No you're wrong. Apparently you do not understand what the article is about.
    Prove that your statistic is based on court sentences and not police reports.
    Also prove the connection between your statistic and immigration.
    Then show that there are no other possible factors that could be rsponsible for the statistical increase over time.

    And by prove I mean with sources, the BBC article has experts as sources, you have nothing but copy-pasted numbers that you may have found under some someone's pillow for all I know.

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    2. How can you close the thread without even looking at assault cases and the others?
    How could you post that reply after I closed the thread?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Leet Eriksson View Post
    I'm gonna have to go with the Journalistic Integrity of a major news publication over some dude on the internet, I'm sorry dude on the internet for your loss :(
    I thought you would know it already, were you Norwegian as you claim.

    The source is the police themselves...

    Article in English:

    http://swedenreport.org/2015/05/18/p...nes-in-sweden/

    Are you really this ideologically driven?

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    More unverified garbage doesn't really help your case K-man. You probably want to back it up with actual mainstream sources like Husar is doing, and not with racist garbage websites that do the thinking for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    I thought you would know it already, were you Norwegian as you claim.

    The source is the police themselves...

    Article in English:

    http://swedenreport.org/2015/05/18/p...nes-in-sweden/

    Are you really this ideologically driven?
    A blog on the internet, versus a major journalistic publication, i wonder who to trust ... wait a minute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    I thought you would know it already, were you Norwegian as you claim.

    The source is the police themselves...

    Article in English:

    http://swedenreport.org/2015/05/18/p...nes-in-sweden/

    Are you really this ideologically driven?
    That's a policing problem/badly implemented immigration/policing policy.
    Might have something to do with Swedish people not being very welcoming as well.
    http://www.swedensucks.com/antisocial-culture.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
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    See? I always said you're a racist...

    Every time you deride a "culture" it's just another thinly veiled racist statement.
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    Default Re: 30 years of more and more (AND MORE) immigration to Sweden from dubious cultures

    Husar, you miss the point.

    It is reported crime I have quoted, but no, one guy raping a woman 400 times is still not reported as 400 crimes there, but one.

    Convictions more or less mirror these statistics.

    Also:

    Also prove the connection between your statistic and immigration.
    Then show that there are no other possible factors that could be rsponsible for the statistical increase over time.
    Are you trolling or something?

    I have seen what Sweden was like before immigration, and I have seen what it is like now. All the statistical numbers presented WHEREVER you look still support it.

    Do I need to PROVE that there are absolutely no other factors (hello alien overmind) before I can say that Sweden has turned to shit since we started with this immigration programme?

    Everything is down. EVERYTHING.

    School results, criminal statistics, BNP/capita, the pension system, the health care, the infrastructure, the....

    The list goes on.

    Do I really need to PROVE that there can be no other variables, before stating that immigration is a HUGE damn variable...


    I mean, we now have more policemen than ever, with 3 private security contractors for every policeman... And crime is STILL going up. Shouldn't we be way safer instead?


    So no, I will never be able to prove, nor do I think, that no other factors are involved.

    But with that said it has still been **** to move so many Africans and arabs to Sweden.

    Get it now?



    L-E,

    More unverified garbage doesn't really help your case K-man. You probably want to back it up with actual mainstream sources like Husar is doing, and not with racist garbage websites that do the thinking for you.
    The stats are from BRÅ... www.bra.se

    They are Swedens official crime center for statistics. Official enough?

    Feel free to cross reference, the site is also in English and you will find the numbers are correct.



    Feel free to cross reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    Husar, you miss the point.

    It is reported crime I have quoted, but no, one guy raping a woman 400 times is still not reported as 400 crimes there, but one.

    Convictions more or less mirror these statistics.
    I got that you're a racist, no need to explain that or that you still have no proof for your claims.


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