Mafia v. Cult [Concluded]

[Visor]

Visor, I dont believe that you are bulletproof innocent.

First, I dont think there are two bulletproofs in the game. I think there would be at least one miss-kill by mafia in such case. I think there is like 25% chance for having 2 bulletproofs now.
Second, I dont believe you were not recruited. I can hardly imagine a world in which cult will not try to convert you.

I think you are plain cultist (70% chance) or bulletproof cultist (20% chance). Of course, you could be mafia, and thus unconvertalbe (5% chance?). There is only slim chance that you are innocent (5%), and even slimmer that you are innocent bulletproof

-There are two players immune to each scum faction's abilities, and a couple other roles that might act against one or the other.

Straight from the OP.

Sorry jarrema, you and atheotes lose.

And second of all, your argument makes zero sense. You said that the first time, and I wasn't converted, and now I'm landlubber's role (and spoiler alert: still not converted).

So you're completely wrong on all fronts. You're stretching and reaching and you know you are.

You know you and Atheotes are dead to rights caught.

Pillow Fort the hint, like agnostic was the hint for Raith and Zack.

[Visor]

There is no cult left in the game.

There are two BP townies, Raith, and the mafia.

Game is over. Atheotes futile attempt at bussing is hilarious.

[Jarema]

Visor: for whatever it is worth, I feel almost sure there is at least one more cultist alive.

[El Barto]

DAY NINE

Jarema was lynched. He was mafia!

Visorslash: Jarema (1)
Jarrema: atheotes; Raith Kemmler; Visorslash; Choxorn (4)

List of players

1. Raith Kemmler
2. Choxorn
3. Jarema†, lynched Day Nine, MAFIA.
4. Golden1Knight†, lynched Day Four, TOWN.
5. Csargo†, killed Night Six, TOWN.
6. GeneralHankerchief†, killed Night Four, CULTIST.
7. seireikhaan†, lynched Day Three, TOWN.
8. Zack II†, killed Night Nine, TOWN.
9. Pelican†, lynched Day Six, CULTIST.
10. Visorslash II
11. Al Sipsclar†, lynched Day Seven, MAFIA.
12. Kennigit†, killed Night Two, CULTIST.
13. BSmith†, killed Night One, TOWN.
14. Askthepizzaguy†, lynched Day Five, TOWN.
15. Cuthillius†, lynched Day Eight, TOWN.
16. Zack†, lynched Day Two, TOWN.
17. Sooh†, killed Night Seven, CULTIST.
18. Scarlett Aria†, lynched Day One, TOWN.
19. Visorslash†, killed Night Five, TOWN.
20. atheotes

It is now Night Nine. It will last 24 hours. Remember to send in your Night Actions!

[Raith Kemmler]

Truly a shocking turn of events.

[El Barto]

Update comes in slightly early, courtesy of your host. Hang on.

[El Barto]

NIGHT NINE

Visorslash II was found dead.

He was a Cultist!

List of players

1. Raith Kemmler
2. Choxorn
3. Jarema†, lynched Day Nine, MAFIA.
4. Golden1Knight†, lynched Day Four, TOWN.
5. Csargo†, killed Night Six, TOWN.
6. GeneralHankerchief†, killed Night Four, CULTIST.
7. seireikhaan†, lynched Day Three, TOWN.
8. Zack II†, killed Night Nine, TOWN.
9. Pelican†, lynched Day Six, CULTIST.
10. Visorslash II†, CULTIST.
11. Al Sipsclar†, lynched Day Seven, MAFIA.
12. Kennigit†, killed Night Two, CULTIST.
13. BSmith†, killed Night One, TOWN.
14. Askthepizzaguy†, lynched Day Five, TOWN.
15. Cuthillius†, lynched Day Eight, TOWN.
16. Zack†, lynched Day Two, TOWN.
17. Sooh†, killed Night Seven, CULTIST.
18. Scarlett Aria†, lynched Day One, TOWN.
19. Visorslash†, killed Night Five, TOWN.
20. atheotes

It is now Day Ten. It will last 48 hours. Remember to bold your votes!

[Choxorn]

Vote: Atheotes

[Raith Kemmler]

Vote:Atheotes

So here we are. Atheotes. I'm very curious what you're going to say at this point. Chox really can't be mafia based on Visors signal, although nice shooting. I didn't believe his, town is totally safe byline either. Good on ya. You've hunted them even though they just keep coming.

Visors plan makes sense from seeing me dead, which leads an unsettling air to Chox. But that doesn't really change things for me. I couldn't exactly just let the mafia win. So here we are. If Chox is cult, I presume we have a draw? Or a town win if he's innocent.

Maybe cult gets a night kill? It'd be they're luck in this game to grab win even if they've gotten the snot beaten out of them.

But you're the devil I know. My team loses if you're alive tonight, so...bye?

Thanks for the cult hunt and moral support.

[atheotes]

Do you think Choxorn is town? You lynch me and cult wins.
I want to make a proposal. I will not kill you. We will call it a draw and i will be happy that Cult did not win even though they had the best chance.
I will be pretty disappointed if Choxorn wins the game without actually doing anything all game.
The late replacements did mess up the game for us. But i believe you and I have worked hard through the game. So if you let me live, I will not kill you, even if the Host decides to modkill me for it.

Vote: Choxorn

[Raith Kemmler]

Tempting. You've played very well. But I need to at least try to give my faction a chance. Besides, I do know how the mafia win works. Maybe the game was over days ago, and Zack and me rallying was too late. Visorslash certainly gave the feel of a locked game. Choxorn could be cult. Guy has been tight lipped enough a read is iffy.

So then I accept my vote didn't matter? Fun.

Mr. Narrator, end the game.

When cult wins, we can have drinks after about how unfair it is.

[atheotes]

Why do you think your vote doesn't matter?
Its basically down to whether you think he is cult or not. If you think he is cult, vote for him and we can share the victory (or I get modkilled for my impudence and you win). If you think he is town then Ieave it as it is.
I thought Visor's alignment with Chox was clear last phase. I think it is not confirmation bias on my part.

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[Raith Kemmler]

Because if I'm the last townie, the game ends no matter what. Don't kill me? You still win, you brought town down to even numbers with your group. Same with cult apparently. You don't need to kill me Atheotes. The only reason the game isn't over now, if I guess correctly, is because you need cult gone to win.

Your win condition can't be to get rid of every person in the game. You could get stuck with the bulletproof's blocking your path.

[atheotes]

Because if I'm the last townie, the game ends no matter what. Don't kill me? You still win, you brought town down to even numbers with your group. Same with cult apparently. You don't need to kill me Atheotes. The only reason the game isn't over now, if I guess correctly, is because you need cult gone to win.

Your win condition can't be to get rid of every person in the game. You could get stuck with the bulletproof's blocking your path.

I have to outnumber all opponents to win. Thats why i proposed it. Normally i would agree with what you have said. But this is what i have this game.
Dont know if the condition is this way for a narrative purpose.

[El Barto]

DAY TEN - ENDGAME

atheotes was lynched.

atheotes: Choxorn; Raith Kemmler (2)
Choxorn: atheotes

He was found out to be the last living member of the mafia.
Choxorn said: ‘Convert! The Cult of Cultness has evil purple robes and pointy hats! And we get discounts for pizza on Fridays!’
But Raith Kemmler replied: ‘Great. I am an agnostic, so I don't much really believe in whatever nonsense religion you follow. And I am lactose-intolerant. I couldn't stomach the cheese anyway.’
Choxorn waved a gun.
‘Then CONVERT OR DIE!’
‘That gun's made of soap and painted over with watercolours. You've just made it! It's still wet.’
‘Erm…’
They left it at that.

List of players

1. Raith Kemmler
2. Choxorn
3. Jarema†, lynched Day Nine, MAFIA.
4. Golden1Knight†, lynched Day Four, TOWN.
5. Csargo†, killed Night Six, TOWN.
6. GeneralHankerchief†, killed Night Four, CULTIST.
7. seireikhaan†, lynched Day Three, TOWN.
8. Zack II†, killed Night Nine, TOWN.
9. Pelican†, lynched Day Six, CULTIST.
10. Visorslash II†, CULTIST.
11. Al Sipsclar†, lynched Day Seven, MAFIA.
12. Kennigit†, killed Night Two, CULTIST.
13. BSmith†, killed Night One, TOWN.
14. Askthepizzaguy†, lynched Day Five, TOWN.
15. Cuthillius†, lynched Day Eight, TOWN.
16. Zack†, lynched Day Two, TOWN.
17. Sooh†, killed Night Seven, CULTIST.
18. Scarlett Aria†, lynched Day One, TOWN.
19. Visorslash†, killed Night Five, TOWN.
20. atheotes†, lynched Day Ten, MAFIA.

The game has ended. The Mafia have lost the game. The Cult and Town are TIED. Thank you all for playing. I'll post the official rules, gamelog, etc. tomorrow as it's some time after midnight for me already.

[Zack]

QuickTopics?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Now that the game is over, for meta purposes, I'd just like to point out that I was recruited to the cult the same night I died. So if you use my behavior here as a basis for future reads on me, 100% of the posts I made in this game were as town.

[Zack]

Not sure how the cult could have lost here, with seemingly infinite recruitment. Seem a lot more powerful than the other factions.

[Zack]

Now that the game is over, for meta purposes, I'd just like to point out that I was recruited to the cult the same night I died. So if you use my behavior here as a basis for future reads on me, 100% of the posts I made in this game were as town.

[Zack]

So cult actions took precedence over mafia actions?

[Jarema]

I think this game was inherently unbalanced in cults favor, but will wait for game description
here is mafia qt:

http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/JHtyiC4ABN9tb

[Visor]

http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/7KhfqLKpYNpQ

Cult qt.

I would like to point out that one of the biggest reasons town didn't win this game was Cuthillius claiming doctor, not claiming results, then claiming awful results, and then unclaiming.

Choxorn probably gets lynched then, there is no cult left, Athetoes and Jarrema get lynched in f5 and f3.

That and voting the guy who refused to break the tie to save himself. Over cult or mafia.

I don't wanna harangue you Cuth but that stuff hurt.

Me voting atpg was also abysmal. I highly regret doing that and still don't fully understand why I did.

[Visor]

Anyway thanks takhisis, all, for the game.

Had its moments. Reminds me why unrestricted cults are no fun though.

[seireikhaan]

Wut happened

[Zack]

Reminds me why unrestricted cults are no fun though.

Especially when your name rhymes with shmizzaguy.

[Zack]

Oh, and I think Zack II did a good job of showing the effectiveness of vote analysis as a scumhunting method. Town Zack was actually on the money for once in the endgame.

[Sooh]

Thanks guys! it was an interesting game to follow and play in. I still have no idea how you guys scum hunt on this board, but I'll keep at it until I find out!

I had fun!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Scumbag one:

Vote:Visorslash

I'm willing to follow ATPG and lynch him tomorrow if he's wrong.

Cuth's behavior that round and where I currently stand on Visor.

Khaan was innocent, Visor was my suspect.

vote:golden1knight

Saves Jarema.

Potential scumbag two:

time to catch some cult.

There is a problem, that searching for cult leader is different than searching for cultist.

As for cultist, it is simpler but with lower reward. Just ask the question: "whom I would recruit if I was cult leader?" and there is a chance, you will got a cultist. For me, it would be active, effective player. My picks would include GH, Pizza, Visor.
Problem is, lynching cultist only buys some time.

As for cult leader, it is harder. It is like searching for SK or a survivor. With only one difference - when cult leader will be at risk, cultist will try to defend him with all their might. I think cult leader will be either someone lurking (not wanting to drew attention), or someone active with really hard balls (namely, Pizza - I know him and love him for such cheeky behavior).

Because he is the only person in both categories (possible cultist, and plausible cult leader) I will vote: ATPG

Cult-specific hunting and anticipating I'd be the convert. Also iirc Jarema even stated earlier that his policy toward me would be to wait until I was converted, then lynch me.

vote: Visorslash.

please, dont lynch Pizza today. Let the cult night or two for recruiting him, and lynch him then - almost sure method of catching scum

Now, this could also come from Jarema-the-townie, because that much is not mafia-specific reasoning, but some straightforward assessment of my likelihood of being cult in several rounds.

vote: Golden1Knight

Don't like this pile-on vote. Click for context.

Scumbag number three:

Mr. and Mrs. Smith?

Maybe you're from different factions, that would make things interesting at home.

Hmm, is this the claim that Pizza is asking for? Vote: Golden1Knight

The Snake cult had an influx of new blood who were pushing the discussion. Here we have nothing to talk about.

I believe Pizza was actually converted the night before. But unlike Visor, he wouldn't have "just voted Choxorn and peaced out" (which Visor just did, btw), but instead would burst into activity, like that altercation with Visor yesterday. In fact, it seems like failing to lynch Visor yesterday, they successfully converted him the last night. Now, Pizza wants the other faction to roleclaim to finish the game. Vote: Askthepizzaguy
Raith, whom Pizza was robo-voting days before, is another cultist.

Sarcasm, right?

Oh, yeah, that elusive "townie line of thinking" again that I'm consistently fail to demonstrate. For some reason, only scum is always accusing me of this. I guess this is another case of "he who smelt it, dealt it". Unvote; Vote: Pelican

Pizza is cult
Raith is with Pizza
Visor has been just converted
GH is mafia
Sooh is still town
Choxorn is either scum
Cuth is scum
Jarema is scum
Zain is town
G1K, Csargo, SV are Olympic-grade lurkers. If Bruce Springsteen had ever recorded “Born to Lurk,” these two three would have been on the album cover.

Cuth might be town for lynching a townie.

I mean, pretty much diaf, Al Sips. You're radiating the scumness.

Possible Cultist:

So I have gut feelings about both Raith and Al Sipsclar that I was hoping to be able to work with today and see if there's a case on either (or both) especially considering the Jarrema wagon looks exactly like the Khaan one yesterday and I don't feel super comfortable with the alternative either. But I think this is the only opportunity I'm going to have to post at all today. Anyways, the post I quoted definitely looks like it's coming from a mafia perspective so vote vote: Al Sips and I'd like to say more but if I do I'll be late for class.

Cult clearly wants Al Sips dead.

I do too.

Vote: Pelican as well.

Vote: Al Sipsclar as well.

Easy game.

Difference is I want cult and mafia both dead.

Next 4 lynches should be Cuth, Al, Jarema, Pelican.

But you know, I will get spite converted to cult in the interim. So mafia, do you want to kill the cult by your murder, or via the lynch?

It's up to you, broheims.

I can lynch you today or the cultist.

You are outed either way imo, so I won't be moving my vote to Pelican until I see at least 2 of you do so.

3/4 based purely on mid-game scum-hunting, no revealed mafiosi, no detective results, and a vanilla townie role.

Pretty safe to say I am a boss. I even called Pelican as being cult not mafia, and was the only cultist remaining in play at the time.

Lynch Al, then Pelican, then Jarema, then Cuth, in that order.

Technically Pelican first would prevent more recruits. But I'm most certain of Al.

You should lynch only inside of these 4 today, and it would be a really good idea for all townies to actually consolidate their votes because I'm calling out both the mafia and the cult. I need voting allies now.

This post would have won the game for town. My mislynch target (Cuth) occurred at the end of 3 non-town recommended lynches.

That last line was me peeing into the wind, because my fellow townies let me down hard that round.

Not picking on Visor, even though he knows that was a poorly justified vote. He was trying to win, albeit not really thinking it through.

The others who simply didn't show to help me....



Pizzaguy out!

[Askthepizzaguy]

addendum

There was some very good late game play by certain peoples. I certainly don't mean to imply I was the only one looking or being accurate.

Kudos to those who brought down the mafia after I died.

Kudos cult for sticking it through to the end. Tend to agree the cult was too powerful.

GG thanks all for playing, thanks for hosting, El B.

[Jarema]

I think that we, the mafia, did really good job of targetting cultists at night. The fact that despite our effectiveness in thinning down their numbers cultists managed to make it to the endgame is a proof of overpower of the cult.