Futuramafia [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Still would like to see unvotes in the case of a quick hammer. I want to hear from everyone one more time before I lock in a vote.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes. I hope now you all can understand why i did not believe GH's claim.

I get it. If you had hardclaimed while I was still online, I'd have had to redo my teams.

On the one hand, it's an easy claim to make. On the other hand, the wording of it looks real, and now the power seems to be demonstrated.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm running out of spaces for there to be a mafia roleblocker actively using their power. I'm definitely overlooking something.

It's possible that Al didn't use his power at all in the early game, but he'd have had to have missed sending in orders.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm forced to consider dp101 here and I don't think that's correct.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I wish my three townies would just raise their hands at this point.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Scenario 1 that enters my head:

Pelican was attacked, and Reidquat blocked it.

Scenario 2:

Someone attacked whoever atheotes protected.

Scenario 3:

GH pocketed me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

No idea at all why GH wouldn't still just shoot me. Surely scum GH doesn't think atheotes would protect me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I thought that if mafia won it is implied that all remaining non-mafia players are killed. With that in mind, I don't think third party survivor can win with mafia.

Third party and neutral are slightly different. Neutral can win with any team. Basically, they don't count for parity, so if it's 3 townies, 3 scums, 1 neutral, mafia wins, because a neutral has achieved all their win conditions.

What I'm suggesting is that Reidquat has, I think, made his choice to side with one team over the other. If that's town, yeah, it will take a bit longer for him to achieve his win condition, more rounds of play, perhaps, and it's also possible that we have to lynch a claimed robot. But maybe that's not the case.

I just want to see if it's possible.

If it's not possible, then it's already game over and I don't want to waste too much of my time. I'm just keeping the diplomatic channel open.

If the people he's willing to lynch are compatible with town, or 2/3 of them are, that's probably a done deal. If not, well, I can say I tried.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's largely up to Reidquat here. List of names he's not willing to lynch plus list of names he's willing to, and we'll work it out.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Only way I can win with the scum is if they are not a threat to my survival, as long as they can kill they are a threat.

This is a relief, it means that a compromise is definitely possible. Thanks for clarifying.

Basically the only way you wouldn't side with us is if we needed to lynch someone you said wasn't kosher.

At that point, we just tie up the vote, see who the coin flip is, and walk home happy regardless.

[Al Sipsclar]

I'm running out of spaces for there to be a mafia roleblocker actively using their power. I'm definitely overlooking something.

It's possible that Al didn't use his power at all in the early game, but he'd have had to have missed sending in orders.

I don't have any power, other than this unholy acting talent.

[Riedquat]

Monty - Pizza - Atheotes - Al Sip/GH - Dp101

Or Monty - Al Sip - Dp101/Pizza - Atheotes/GH

Or Monty - Dp101 - Pizza/Atheotes - Al Sip - GH

I'm willing to lynch everybody except Pelican but today my vote is unmovable. I only have a semi certainty, Monty is a threat, about the rest I'm blind like everybody else.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Scum roleblocker is the key. If we lynch that person, then a GH-town scenario could lead to fewer interim deaths before the mafia die.

Because of my tracking results, that scum blocker can be GH or dp101 as the most likely candidates.

There's a possibility it was atheotes, because if Pelican was targeted, you stopped that kill. But I don't know how likely that is.

It's possibly Al, missing an order on n2. That's actually the simplest explanation.

Monty wasn't blocking the night prior, and Pelican wasn't blocking last night.

So, assuming GH is town, and you keep protecting him, lynching the correct person out of those 4 probably wins us the game. With fewer robot casualties to boot.

I'm assuming that's also the major concern here, getting a win with the fewest casualties related to your win conditions.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lynch scum blocker.

You protect GH, GH protects a random villager remaining, possibly stopping another kill altogether, giving town outright control over the lynch again.

At that point, it's lynch lynch win. I'll go Monty scum lynch today if that's the only way to begin cutting down their numbers. But the order of operations matters.

Thoughts on the scum roleblocker's identity?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Or if you said you can only protect Pelican, do that.

Guess GH would just have to randomize it and get lucky, hoping to stop his own hit.

[Askthepizzaguy]

dp101 versus Al Sips. At this point, I'd be willing to lynch Al based on his record.

dp101's iso is more townie.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Heading to bed, it's 1am here and wife says it is bedtime.

Mull things over, we'll talk more during the next 24 hours or so.

I pledge to vote Monty today as a compromise, because it's still possible to slug things out to a final 4 situation that way.

Even better and with more robots alive is scum roleblocker directly first, then the other 2.

[Montmorency]

So please tell me, everyone, how you would like to interpret that entire last page. Did it look shadier than an alleyway parcel exchange? It sure did to me.
@GeneralHankerchief @Pelican

[Riedquat]

Err... I can't protect GH again... it doesn't work that way, the doctor ability triggers after I scan a robot and I'm informed at the beginning of the night if I can use it on the target I've scanned, but only with the last one. With Fry it was different and got informed with the result of the scan from that moment I can protect him every night. The only possible protection I could get would be on Al -Sip but, I would need to scan him first... Apart of that, I don't want to leave Fry without my protection.

[atheotes]

So you protected Pelican? I don't follow what it has to do with GH either here-or-there.

I did not. I was fairly certain Quat would protect Pelican. The scum knew i would never protect GH. if town, GH was the sureshot kill. Going after Pelican also means they could be alienating Quat. Yet they went after Pelican. What does that say about GH?
Anyways, GH is not my target for today. Pizza or Al sips for me.

[atheotes]

Err... I can't protect GH again... it doesn't work that way, the doctor ability triggers after I scan a robot and I'm informed at the beginning of the night if I can use it on the target I've scanned, but only with the last one. With Fry it was different and got informed with the result of the scan from that moment I can protect him every night. The only possible protection I could get would be on Al -Sip but, I would need to scan him first... Apart of that, I don't want to leave Fry without my protection.

you should protect Pelican. For some inexplicable reason scum want to kill him. will be interesting to see what happens. I am fairly certain we will have another day phase if we lynch scum today.

[Montmorency]

Yet they went after Pelican. What does that say about GH?

Wait, I don't understand. I see what your position is now, but I don't see how you arrived at the position that Pelican was attacked. And per your role, wouldn't you have been vulnerable to a nightkill (bulletproof only N1)?

Vote: Al Sipsclar

It's time to get the day started.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Montmorency

[Askthepizzaguy]

Can't let the perfect get in the way of the good.

This route leads to a town death, in my opinion. But it does cut down their numbers.

[atheotes]

Wait, I don't understand. I see what your position is now, but I don't see how you arrived at the position that Pelican was attacked. And per your role, wouldn't you have been vulnerable to a nightkill (bulletproof only N1)?

Vote: Al Sipsclar

It's time to get the day started.

yes. But i am in many scum teams. So lynchbait...not going to be targeted.

[atheotes]

Can't let the perfect get in the way of the good.

This route leads to a town death, in my opinion. But it does cut down their numbers.

What???

[atheotes]

Vote: Pizza

All townies should vote for pizza. thats our only chance.

[Montmorency]

Finally.

Unvote: Al Sipsclar
Vote: Pizza

[Askthepizzaguy]

What???

What what?

Scum roleblocker needs to die today. Otherwise a townie dies tonight.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If that's what ends this game, I'm going to laugh. It's kind of the icing on the failure cake.