Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[Montmorency]

Cass, could you switch atheotes and BSmith? There's no need for atheotes and Monstr to compete.

I've been honest in my reads. I've tried not to overstate any reaction I've had, or to oversell any read I've arrived at.

If it really looks to you like I've been hedging, then I'd say you've managed to miss the whole point and drive of my posting in this game.

One thing to avoid overstatement, another to offer qualification of more or less every read, lean, and component thereof.

You definitely didn't do this in Futuramafia, at any rate. And honesty is beside the point. You just pointed out in this page that good scumming can be honest.

[Zack]

The beauty of that game is that I didn't try to abuse it at all.

When I came after you it was genuine scumhunting.

The paranoia was real.

who the hell hates good will hunting?

[Zack]

Nothing. I'm just waxing lyrical on the truth.

this whole exchange was bizarre

[Zack]

sketchballs in d1 so they have to elect you?

townies in d2 so its probably legit?

_the rest_ in d3?

[Zack]

monty and tak are both lolbussers so their awkward lack of any negativity towards each other almost makes me want to say monty is town?

[Winston Hughes]

One thing to avoid overstatement, another to offer qualification of more or less every read, lean, and component thereof.

I read this. I'm trying to correct for my own bias.

You definitely didn't do this in Futuramafia, at any rate.

I played badly in Futurama because I was too reactive. I'm trying to do better here.

And honesty is beside the point. You just pointed out in this page that good scumming can be honest.

The best scumming is honest, that's true. Faking those moments of genuine honesty is really hard.

[Winston Hughes]

who the hell hates good will hunting?

Oh, now you're begging me to spamwar.

Worst. Movie, Ever.

[Zack]

before doing any re-reads or anything, just lazily going off my memory

zack
Zack

essentially mechanically clear
BSmith
Cass

essentially tonally clear
Visor
Monstr

i think they voted wolves when it mattered?
Jabbz
Atheotes
Dice (?)

lolcleared?
Monty

i don't think they fit in above categories?
Fenn
Schema
Riedquat
Al Sips
Winston

[Zack]

Oh, now you're begging me to spamwar.

Worst. Movie, Ever.

You have bad taste, but it's not your fault.

[Montmorency]

monty and tak are both lolbussers so their awkward lack of any negativity towards each other almost makes me want to say monty is town?

I've only bussed under Pizza AFAIK. Then again, I can't hardly remember scumming without Pizza.

As I said D3, Barto's bussing strategy last game seemed to have come from the Pizza sub-in. He certainly didn't bus in Kingslayer. And he did start with the shading (of me), in late D3.

[Zack]

I've been thinking a lot this game about how maybe I've been too quick to clear monstr because of heroes, but I didn't really pay attention to him in heroes since we were teammates, and I don't want to read heroes.

But I think he had no reason to defend cuth the way he did as a wolf and I hate it when people keep townreads in POE because of dumb fear about their skill.

[Zack]

I've only bussed under Pizza AFAIK. Then again, I can't hardly remember scumming without Pizza.

As I said D3, Barto's bussing strategy last game seemed to have come from the Pizza sub-in. He certainly didn't bus in Kingslayer. And he did start with the shading (of me), in late D3.

I think it was Ikea mafia, where el barto voted his teammates a lot?

I remember making a similar point about him voting teammates in the MTGS game on MU, which was before any game you're referring to.

[Winston Hughes]

The ridiculously contrived plot?

The horrible elitism of the whole thing?

Minnie Driver?

[Zack]

but I did say it's a lol reason and you're not really clear or a townread, just sitting barely outside the poe for now

[Winston Hughes]

That bar scene with the long haired bully off Oz...

[Zack]

ok winston what do you think of that list. ignore me and you, don't want to hear a smartass answer.

talk to me baby

[Zack]

I never really understood what "how do you like them apples" even means or why people think it's such a great, memorable line

[Winston Hughes]

Visor and Monstr in the same category feels wrong.

If Monstr is scum here it's some new level I've never seen before; if Visor is scum it's a little above his handicap.

[Winston Hughes]

I never really understood what "how do you like them apples" even means or why people think it's such a great, memorable line

It's a terrible line, in a terrible scene, in a terrible movie.

[Visor]

Visor and Monstr in the same category feels wrong.

If Monstr is scum here it's some new level I've never seen before; if Visor is scum it's a little above his handicap.

'handicap'

[Zack]

Visor and Monstr in the same category feels wrong.

If Monstr is scum here it's some new level I've never seen before; if Visor is scum it's a little above his handicap.

You haven't played with monstr, i have

[Jabbz]

before doing any re-reads or anything, just lazily going off my memory

i think they voted wolves when it mattered?
Jabbz
Atheotes
Dice (?)

If you mean read scum as scum and town town, then put vote on scum leading it to a tie which was broken shortly thereafter, sure. This dismissive type of response is irritating for a number of reasons, as I'm pretty sure I've cleared myself as town quite thoroughly. What else would I expect from you however, as you still seem to be suffering from a severe case of "my ass hurts and it's your fault" itis.

[Visor]

If you mean read scum as scum and town town, then put vote on scum leading it to a tie which was broken shortly thereafter, sure. This dismissive type of response is irritating for a number of reasons, as I'm pretty sure I've cleared myself as town quite thoroughly. What else would I expect from you however, as you still seem to be suffering from a severe case of "my ass hurts and it's your fault" itis.

...?

whats with the stick in the ass about this post of all things?

[Zack]

but that's your only quibble?

no speech about how the way it's constructed is an artful manipulation of the collective psyche of the esteemed players in this venerable game we call mafia/werewolf/an exercise in frustration?

no belligerent rant on what i said about monty on this page? was practically baiting you

[Zack]

If you mean read scum as scum and town town, then put vote on scum leading it to a tie which was broken shortly thereafter, sure. This dismissive type of response is irritating for a number of reasons, as I'm pretty sure I've cleared myself as town quite thoroughly. What else would I expect from you however, as you still seem to be suffering from a severe case of "my ass hurts and it's your fault" itis.

um lol? you grossly misinterpreted literally everything about that post

whatever fits your tired narrative that i'm a big meanie out to get you

[Visor]

its literally just a reads list...

bizarre

[Winston Hughes]

To me, Jabbz looks much townier than you're giving him credit for.

And obviously I think you're being ridiculous putting me in the last group.

Remind me, why is Monty lolcleared?

[Zack]

...?

whats with the stick in the ass about this post of all things?

dude this is what i was talking about d1

he seriously has some problem with me and it's really obnoxious

[Winston Hughes]

You haven't played with monstr, i have

He's that good?

[Zack]

To me, Jabbz looks much townier than you're giving him credit for.

And obviously I think you're being ridiculous putting me in the last group.

Remind me, why is Monty lolcleared?

I don't get it, voting wolves when it matters IS a lot of credit...

why is it ridiculous? how many wolves have you pushed/lynched?

it's like 2 posts above the list