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    "Since the term was not coined at that times, does it mean there was no Armenian or Herero genocide?" I do not dispute the term of genocide, I think the term Crime against Humanity was inadequate...
    Unfortunately, genocide was a system of conquest. Genghis Khan was good at it.
    I discussed at long length about the culture of genocide with friends. South and Central America, Africa (see the Belgian Congo), etc... I was convinced by them that this culture lead to Hitler's final solution. A bit long to develop but that is the idea...
    And I agree. It shouldn't be in the actual political debate. The war is over... No need to start it again...
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.

    "I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
    "You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
    "Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    "Since the term was not coined at that times, does it mean there was no Armenian or Herero genocide?" I do not dispute the term of genocide, I think the term Crime against Humanity was inadequate...
    Unfortunately, genocide was a system of conquest. Genghis Khan was good at it....
    Unfettered warfare consists of:

    1. Defeat the opponent in the field.
    2. Defeat the last strongholds/holdouts.
    3. Kill or enslave the military-aged males.
    4. Kill the oldsters.
    5. Rape the conquered women of child-bearing age and make them nurture the generation that will dominate the territory for you.




    Warfare which does not go to this level is a Western conceit.
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    So now Fillon is not stepping down after being formally placed under investigation, despite having said that he would step down if he were placed under formal investigation. Instead he's decided on a Trump-like "It's all a conspiracy!" line. The BBC news here in England are saying that Le Pen is the main beneficiary of this scandal, but I totally disagree: the danger with a second round where Fillon was opposing Le Pen would be that he's so far to the Right that voters on the Left wouldn't think it worth turning out to vote at all and the usual anti-fascist consensus would crumble... it would be like telling people over here the only way to keep out Paul Nuttall would be to vote for John Redwood. Macron will restore the consensus and win by about 60/40 unless of course, weird shit happens.
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    Macron has not a chance to built a consensus. He is the guy who add few millions poor in France by his XIX century policy. He is a media construction and might win but building a consensus, no.
    Le Pen doesn't dare to move or speak, as each time she said something either stupid either the complete contrary of what she said 2 days before.
    Situation is volatile. We shall see...
    I will not vote for Macron. I will not vote for any member of the former government... I will not bow to the usual blackmail Le Pen or else.
    The Media and political Parties boosted Le Pen, they will deal with the result.
    Last edited by Brenus; 03-01-2017 at 21:27.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.

    "I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
    "You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
    "Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    I will not vote for Macron. I will not vote for any member of the former government... I will not bow to the usual blackmail Le Pen or else.

    Bad souvenirs 2002 vintage maybe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    Macron has not a chance to built a consensus. He is the guy who add few millions poor in France by his XIX century policy. He is a media construction and might win but building a consensus, no.
    Le Pen doesn't dare to move or speak, as each time she said something either stupid either the complete contrary of what she said 2 days before.
    Situation is volatile. We shall see...
    I will not vote for Macron. I will not vote for any member of the former government... I will not bow to the usual blackmail Le Pen or else.
    The Media and political Parties boosted Le Pen, they will deal with the result.
    This is how Le Pen might get elected.

    But how bad would that be really? Is she a genuine Fascist, or did she just use her father's Fascist party to advance her own political vision?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus View Post
    This is how Le Pen might get elected.

    But how bad would that be really? Is she a genuine Fascist, or did she just use her father's Fascist party to advance her own political vision?
    I think the old party was BNP-style, whilst the party reformed under her is closer to UKIP. A positive change, at least.
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    I will not bow to the usual blackmail Le Pen or else
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tristuskhan View Post
    Bad souvenirs 2002 vintage maybe?
    Indeed.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.

    "I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
    "You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
    "Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    I will not bow to the usual blackmail Le Pen or else.
    What about fighting nazis wherever and whenever you can?

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    The Media and political Parties boosted Le Pen, they will deal with the result.
    It is not only the media or the parties that will have to deal with the result, I'm afraid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    Indeed.
    I was in Mongolia at that time, gave my vote to my father. The familly I lived with in the steppe listened to the radio in the morning and suddenly everyone looked at me with very strange eyes. The grandfather came by me, put his hand on my shoulder and said: Le Pen. I had to find a way to tell my father NOT to vote in my name on 2nd round. I'm fine with that and would do the same if it happens again. Voting Chirac has been a trauma for so many, I'm happy (and a bit proud) I did not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tristuskhan View Post
    Voting Chirac has been a trauma for so many, I'm happy (and a bit proud) I did not.
    I still have it here...
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.

    "I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
    "You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
    "Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus View Post
    But how bad would that be really? Is she a genuine Fascist, or did she just use her father's Fascist party to advance her own political vision?
    The acorn did not fall far from the oak. Front National is a composite party, one can't know, when in power, which one of the multiple factions would prevail. But there are a lot of brutes down there, eager to hurt.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrandir View Post
    What about fighting nazis wherever and whenever you can?
    I won't fight nazis by giving my vote to a thatcherian. Oh and they are not nazis. Not fascists. Nothing like stinkin' foreign ideologies. All french. Frontists, if one must give it a name.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    I still have it here...
    Cute english expression I don't know yet or just a crude translation of "je les ai encore là"?
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    Translation from French.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.

    "I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
    "You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
    "Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tristuskhan View Post
    The acorn did not fall far from the oak. Front National is a composite party, one can't know, when in power, which one of the multiple factions would prevail. But there are a lot of brutes down there, eager to hurt.
    Well, we shall see or we won't.

    I won't fight nazis by giving my vote to a thatcherian. Oh and they are not nazis. Not fascists. Nothing like stinkin' foreign ideologies. All french. Frontists, if one must give it a name."?
    I say this to our Americans here often - you are not special. However, that does not make the Front Fascist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus View Post
    Well, we shall see or we won't.
    I'm still quite confident a Night of the Long Knives will take place inside the FN... Looks promising. Even better in the likely case of defeat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus View Post
    I say this to our Americans here often - you are not special. However, that does not make the Front Fascist.
    Yep, we are all family. Especially right-wing loons are liable to look much alike nevermind the place (burmese buddhist nutters comes to mind), and still thinking THEY are the best ones.

    About the FN beeing "fascist", yes it is. And Nazi. And Christian Fundamentalist. AND xenophobic gay-friendly. And many things else. As a party, it was built by Jean-Marie Le Pen alone. I don't know if his heiress will be able to keep it standing when her father will pass. Doubtful.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    Translation from French.
    D'oh. Not a good english speaker enough to explain it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tristuskhan View Post
    About the FN being "fascist", yes it is. And Nazi. And Christian Fundamentalist. AND xenophobic gay-friendly. And many things else. As a party, it was built by Jean-Marie Le Pen alone. I don't know if his heiress will be able to keep it standing when her father will pass. Doubtful.
    You forgot the Maurassiens, the pure lunatics, GUD and similars, Royalists, anti-semitic, anti-islamists (often go with Christian Fundamentalist, I grant you this), the ones who just want to annoy others etc...
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.

    "I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
    "You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
    "Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    I think the old party was BNP-style, whilst the party reformed under her is closer to UKIP. A positive change, at least.
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    A fresh and long story-format feature on Marine Le Pen from the BBC.
    Runes for good luck:

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    A fresh and long story-format feature on Marine Le Pen from the BBC.
    Oh, my..... BBC definitely knows how to lick the Noble's arses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tristuskhan View Post
    Oh, my..... BBC definitely knows how to lick the Noble's arses.
    Oh, they like to do those.

    It just means she's abstractly interesting.
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    Nice piece of news from M. Fillon:

    http://www.rfi.fr/france/20170317-co...ourgi-le-monde (speak french or google translate...)

    Françafrique is not dead!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C...rique.22_today

    Having a french-lebanese who is a close "friend" of the Bongo and Sassou - Ngesso families paying for his suits.
    Shameless, I say...
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    I really don't understand why people get so upset about the Front National. Not that there isn't anything questionable about it's roots and a good part of it's voters but they seem pretty decent to me nowadays. They are strongly against EU, good thinking I'd say the EU is getting increasingly totalitarian, more healthy nationalism please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    I really don't understand why people get so upset about the Front National. Not that there isn't anything questionable about it's roots and a good part of it's voters but they seem pretty decent to me nowadays. They are strongly against EU, good thinking I'd say the EU is getting increasingly totalitarian, more healthy nationalism please.
    That is because you are not in contact with the reality of this party.
    It is not healthy nationalism as this 2 terms are in contradiction. It is pure greed,racism (so some parts, literally) hatred and stupidity.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.

    "I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
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    Patriotism is one thing, nationalism is another.

    Most likely it will come down to Le Pen and Macron. But the question remains - will Fillon back Macron in the second round?
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    If they propped him up and gave him a nice suit, would Mitterand have a chance of beating the current crop of candidates?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    That is because you are not in contact with the reality of this party.
    It is not healthy nationalism as this 2 terms are in contradiction. It is pure greed,racism (so some parts, literally) hatred and stupidity.
    Perhaps, but I would vote on a questionable party if it gets us out of the EU, what else then the FN would there be there for me

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    Mitterand was talented and would eat today's candidates for breakfast... But it was 35 years ago and the man, being somme great self-seeker, would likely look more like a (talented) Macron nowadays.
    Now again Mitterand is a very mixed-up memory for the french left. For me who grew up in a neighbourhood where the Party ruled (i.e: Communist Party, there was never no other one here), his election was a sign of hope. It was only a few months before everyone realised he was a man for the financial powers. I remember that very well, and I was only seven years old at that time.


    And there it goes again:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_...France_attacks

    One more... looks like the man was quite drunk, stoned, and coke'd (to be confirmed).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Perhaps, but I would vote on a questionable party if it gets us out of the EU, what else then the FN would there be there for me
    Then you should probably vote Melenchon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Luc_M%C3%A9lenchon , didn't read the article, anyway!), he is questionable on a whole lot of matters. JeanMarine beeing sure to be on the 2nd round, why not try to bring another pro-Frexit there?
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