US Immigration and Border Security Thread

[Husar]

I find it incredible that all of you totally miss the point. No one cares if millions of illegal aliens work in the U.S. and then go back to their homeland with their offspring and a paycheck they earned. Leftists teach the illegal aliens how to stay here, falsify a social security number, get welfare and subsidized housing wrongly, have the legal citizens pay for their children's education and get other government benefits that were supposed to be reserved for legal citizens. Further, the Left knows that these aliens will eventually become voters, who surely will repay the Left's efforts. Leftists have already made the case that in the 19th century foreigners could vote in some states. So it's not about poor little aliens being kicked out of work by evil Republicans. The problem is the Left importing voters. Fifty million voting age U.S. citizens would never be allowed to move to Canada and take over. Stop playing bells and whistles and focus on the real core issue.

Then make them legal so they can pay taxes for their childrens' education.
Voters get imported either way, who asked the original inhabitants to vote about who runs the country?
And again, if the republican base of Florida bankers stopped sniffing so much cocaine, maybe fewer illegal leftists would cross the border to flee from the friendly drug lords that the Republicans keep financing. The Republicans are entirely financed by billionaire business owners who are importing all these people to save on their trickle down expenses and because they hate paying taxes and healthcare plans for their workers. Stop the victim blaming here and focus on the real issue, which is the party you love so much!

[Fragony]

All my friends are very leftist, I don't really care

@miles

[spmetla]

Leftists teach the illegal aliens how to stay here, falsify a social security number, get welfare and subsidized housing wrongly, have the legal citizens pay for their children's education and get other government benefits that were supposed to be reserved for legal citizens. Further, the Left knows that these aliens will eventually become voters, who surely will repay the Left's efforts.

What you say here is as crazy as the the 9/11 is an inside job conspiracies. The massive number of illegal immigrants we have are a result of over 30 years of ignoring our own laws. A good number of them should be given amnesty and become legal citizens because most of them aside from the initial immigration have not committed any transgressions against us.

In the future we need to enforce our border properly and enforce our laws.

There's no secret 'leftist' training camps that teach people to do this, that's actually an illicit business conducted by very enterprising criminals and people smugglers.
As for the potential voters, by and large most hispanics are very conservative on almost all social issues from abortion, to the role of god in our lives and so on. They would by and large vote mostly Republican if the rhetoric on that side wasn't dominated by the extreme opinion of round up all the illegals and kick them out and then enforce shoot to kill on the border.

In regards to the school systems, those are not for 'citizens' but for legal residents. Even if those kids are illegal though it is to our benefit to educate those kids lest we create a further shadow society of people that in addition to other problems have no education.

Fifty million voting age U.S. citizens would never be allowed to move to Canada and take over. Stop playing bells and whistles and focus on the real core issue.

If over the next several decades millions of US citizens moved to Canada illegally and the Canadian government continued it's current lackadaisical policies then they'd have a similar problem.
We however are the nation that shares a border with Mexico and as such must enforce that border.

[Agent Miles]

What do you suppose "community organizers" do? I'm sane enough to be the only one here to know what the real issue is. I also don't use insane statements to try to shoot the messenger because you can't argue the message. The Dems are importing voters. We don't need to fix the legal immigration of documented migrants and refugees, because that works. The flood of illegal aliens is the problem, because they are organized on how to stay here till they can vote.

[Husar]

I'm sane enough to be the only one here to know what the real issue is. I also don't use insane statements to try to shoot the messenger because you can't argue the message.

[Fragony]

When you are finnished laughing find out who 'Erica' is. I'll spoil it for you it's Merkel.

She is a former stasi, so why trust her now. Poland and Hungary don't

[spmetla]

The flood of illegal aliens is the problem, because they are organized on how to stay here till they can vote.

It doesn't take special training on how to stay here illegally, it just requires not getting arrested. The organization pretty much consists other immigrants letting their friends and family know where it's safe to work.

What do you suppose "community organizers" do?

Generally it's to politically organize people. If a neighborhood or several neighborhoods are suffering from crime or too little police involvement a community organizer will generally take lead in organizing petitions, hearings, etc.. When it comes to election time it's getting people to register to vote and trying to get them to vote for 'their' political side by giving their view on what issues are important to said community.
It's what the pastor or preacher generally used to do back when everybody went to church.

The right does the same thing as well. Rallies, marches, and so on don't happen spontaneously.

We don't need to fix the legal immigration of documented migrants and refugees, because that works.

We absolutely do need to fix that because most people just overstay their visas. Also, if people are illegally immigrating it's for the most part because they want to make money here because even our crappiest jobs pay more than most jobs in central america.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...l-immigration/
Staggering number of visa overstays now biggest problem in illegal immigration

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The nexus of illegal immigration into the U.S. has shifted away from the southwest border and into the country’s air and sea ports, where more than 54 million visitors checked in last year — and nearly 630,000 of them didn’t go home, according to new numbers released Monday.

Known as visa overstays, the visitors present a different challenge than the border crossers, and one that Homeland Security officials are still trying to figure out how to handle.

“This report shows that we have a problem with visa overstays in the United States,” a senior administration official said in briefing reporters on the new numbers, vowing to step up enforcement to try to cut down on the violations.

The Trump administration’s report stands in contrast to the Obama administration, which played down the numbers last year when officials released a similar report, focusing on the vast majority of travelers who did comply and leave when they were supposed to.

Indeed, more than 98.5 percent of those admitted through airports and seaports departed before their admissions expired in 2016. But the sheer amount of travel — some 54 million visitors who came through those air and sea ports — means even that small overstay rate works out to nearly 740,000 illegal immigrants......

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/05/22/...verstay-report
DHS Releases Fiscal Year 2016 Entry/Exit Overstay Report

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Release Date: May 22, 2017
For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
Contact: 202-282-8010

WASHINGTON—U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) released today the Fiscal Year (FY) 2016 Entry/Exit Overstay Report. The report provides data on departures and overstays, by country, for foreign visitors to the United States who entered as nonimmigrant visitors through an air or sea Port of Entry (POE) and were expected to depart in FY16.

The in-scope population for this report includes temporary workers and families (temporary workers and trainees, intracompany transferees, treaty traders and investors, representatives of foreign information media), students, exchange visitors, temporary visitors for pleasure, temporary visitors for business, and other nonimmigrant classes of admission. This population accounts for 96.02 percent of all nonimmigrant admissions at U.S. air and sea POEs in FY16.

Importantly, the report does not cover all foreign visitors to the United States—such as those who enter the United States through a vehicular or land POE. Nor does the report provide the total estimated in-country overstay population currently in the United States. Rather, it provides data on overstays in a snapshot of time—those foreign visitors who were expected to depart in FY16, and those who did not do so.

The report specifies that U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) processed 50,437,278 in-scope nonimmigrant admissions at U.S. air and sea POEs who were expected to depart in FY16—of which 739,478 overstayed their admission, resulting in a total overstay rate of 1.47 percent. Of the more than 739,000 overstays, DHS determined 628,799 were suspected “in-country” overstays, resulting in a suspected in-country overstay rate of 1.25 percent. An individual who is a suspected in-country overstay has no recorded departure, while an out-of-country overstay has a recorded departure that occurred after their lawful admission period expired.

To protect the American people from those who seek to do us harm, and to ensure the integrity of the immigration system, ICE has recently increased overstay enforcement operations. Each year, ICE’s Homeland Security Investigations special agents systematically review approximately one million records of individuals who violate the terms of their visas or the visa waiver program, prioritizing leads that pose national security or public safety threats.

Out of the total population, of the more than 21.6 million Visa Waiver Program (VWP) visitors expected to depart the United States in FY16, 147,282 overstayed the terms of their admission, with 128,806 suspected in-country overstays (a .60 percent suspected in-country overstay rate for VWP travelers). Of the more than 13.8 million non-VWP visitors—excluding Canada and Mexico—expected to depart the United States in FY16, 287,107 overstayed the terms of their admission, with 263,470 suspected in-country overstays. This resulted in a 1.90 percent suspected in-country overstay rate.

For Mexico, the FY16 suspected in-country overstay rate is 1.52 percent of 3,079,524 expected departures. Consistent with the methodology for other countries, this represents only travel through air and sea POEs and does not include data on land border crossings. For Canada, the FY16 suspected in-country overstay rate is 1.33 percent of 9,008,496 expected departures.

This year’s report also includes visitors who entered on a student or exchange visitor visa (F, M, or J visa). Of the 1,457,556 students and exchange visitors scheduled to complete their program in the United States in FY16, 79,818 stayed beyond their authorized window for departure, resulting in a 5.48 percent overstay rate. Of the 79,818, 40,949 are suspected in-country overstays (2.81 percent).

DHS conducts the overstay identification process by examining arrival, departure and immigration status information, which is consolidated to generate a complete picture of an individual’s travel to the United States. Due to continuing departures and adjustments in status, by January 10, 2017, the number of suspected in-country overstays for FY16 decreased to 544,676, resulting in a suspected in-country overstay rate of 1.07 percent.

DHS anticipates that these numbers will shift over time as additional information is reported. Specifically, the overall suspected in-country overstay rate will continue to decline as the number of individuals who have departed or transitioned to another immigration status after their initial period of authorized admission ended grows.

DHS continues to improve its data collection, both biographic and biometric, on travelers departing the United States. CBP has identified a feasible biometric exit solution based upon the successful pilot deployed in June 2016, at Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport in Atlanta. As part of the pilot, CBP partnered with an airline to biometrically confirm the identity of departing travelers using facial recognition. To continue biometric exit implementation, CBP will expand the deployment of this technology to seven additional airports in the coming months. DHS is committed to the development and deployment of a comprehensive biometric exit system—as directed by President Trump in Executive Order 13780, Protecting the Nation from Foreign Terrorist Entry in the United States, and as required by law.

The Dems are importing voters.

They are only voters if they are able to vote. Illegal immigrants can't vote. Giving amnesty and legal residence to the millions of undocumented immigrants won't make them voters either unless they stay longer and apply for citizenship.

Most illegal immigrants live in areas that already vote Democrat in almost any election. Unless they shift their migration and try to settle the midwest it's not changing any voting paradigms.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...ed-immigrants/
20 metro areas are home to six-in-ten unauthorized immigrants in U.S.

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Most of the United States’ 11.1 million unauthorized immigrants live in just 20 major metropolitan areas, with the largest populations in New York, Los Angeles and Houston, according to new Pew Research Center estimates based on government data.

The analysis shows that the nation’s unauthorized immigrant population is highly concentrated, more so than the U.S. population overall. In 2014, the 20 metro areas with most unauthorized immigrants were home to 6.8 million of them, or 61% of the estimated nationwide total. By contrast, only 36% of the total U.S. population lived in those metro areas.

But the analysis also shows that unauthorized immigrants tend to live where other immigrants live. Among lawful immigrants – including naturalized citizens and noncitizens – 65% lived in those top metros.

By far the biggest unauthorized immigrant populations were in the New York and Los Angeles metro areas (1.2 million and 1 million, respectively). No other metro area approached a million. Among the top 20 areas, the smallest unauthorized immigrant populations included Orlando (110,000) and Austin (100,000).........

[Montmorency]

Agent Miles is wrong on several counts:

1. That all government services are "reserved for citizens", and that unauthorized residents can't pay into these.
2. That residents, authorized or otherwise, should not be informed of their rights, recourses, and resources.
3. That unauthorized residents will make up a voter base in their own right.
3.a. Latino support for the GOP would be higher if they weren't so evidently a 'white grievance' party. See: Prop 187 turning California blue in the 90s.
4. Legislation making it harder for migrants to move back and forth seasonally, as opposed to staying permanently, was a bipartisan affair. Go ahead and bash the Democrats, they deserve it, but don't fail to recognize the Republican origins of the reform.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Agent Miles is wrong on several counts:

1. That all government services are "reserved for citizens", and that unauthorized residents can't pay into these.
2. That residents, authorized or otherwise, should not be informed of their rights, recourses, and resources.
3. That unauthorized residents will make up a voter base in their own right.
3.a. Latino support for the GOP would be higher if they weren't so evidently a 'white grievance' party. See: Prop 187 turning California blue in the 90s.
4. Legislation making it harder for migrants to move back and forth seasonally, as opposed to staying permanently, was a bipartisan affair. Go ahead and bash the Democrats, they deserve it, but don't fail to recognize the Republican origins of the reform.

Plenty of blame to spread all around, that's for sure.

[Husar]

When you are finnished laughing find out who 'Erica' is. I'll spoil it for you it's Merkel.

She is a former stasi, so why trust her now. Poland and Hungary don't

Yes, she must be the one smuggling all those Mexicans into the US!

[Fragony]

Yes, she must be the one smuggling all those Mexicans into the US!

No she's doing something else, she didn't win the Kallergi-Kouwenhuizen price for no reason

[Strike For The South]

121 Haitians have entered the country on low skilled work visas in the past two years. The Trump administration just put a stop to this cavalcade of humanity.

The end game of this administration escapes me. I would hope there is something beyond making old white people feel smug again.

[Fragony]

Haiti, isn't that the country where 90.000.000 million just disapeared

[Strike For The South]

Haiti, isn't that the country where 90.000.000 million just disapeared

The US military?

[Husar]

Haiti, isn't that the country where 90.000.000 million just disapeared

90 million million people?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I suspect Frags is talking about the millions of dollars in relief and charity money that has evaporated in Haiti, not military action of persons.
Source 1 source 2 source 3

The Haitian earthquake relief effort may be outdoing most foreign aid projects to Africa in inefficiency and graft.

Though why he cites 90M I do not know....it is likely an order of magnitude more in "lost" funding.

[spmetla]

Haiti is definitely the case of a country that always seems to shoot itself in the foot and will always fail itself. Just a good example that merely add dollars with a lot of zeros to something isn't necessarily good for helping out. In many cases a massive dump of money without oversight just increases graft.

Here's a sad case for Puerto Rico which pissed me off when I read it:
https://theintercept.com/2018/01/10/...rricane-maria/
ARMED FEDERAL AGENTS ENTER WAREHOUSE IN PUERTO RICO TO SEIZE HOARDED ELECTRIC EQUIPMENT

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January 10 2018, 6:38 a.m.
ON SATURDAY, A day after becoming aware of a massive store of rebuilding materials being held by the Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority, the U.S. federal government — the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, along with their security detail — entered a Palo Seco warehouse owned by the public utility to claim and distribute the equipment, according to a spokesperson for the Corps.

Rumors of a tense standoff had been circulating on the island, but the encounter was confirmed to The Intercept in a statement from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. Asked if the federal officers were armed when they entered the warehouse, USACE spokesperson Luciano Vera said they were indeed accompanied by security detail and quickly began distributing the material after seizing it. Vera declined to say whether there was a confrontation at the entrance, saying only that PREPA officials ultimately toured the warehouse along with the feds:

Leadership responsible for restoring the Puerto Rico power grid and their security detail toured the warehouse in cooperation with PREPA. USACE conducted a full inventory and immediately sent out critical materials to contractors at work sites. USACE will continue to distribute critical materials from the site to contractors. The hope is to strengthen the partnership between PREPA and its restoration partners, while increasing visibility of the inventory of all materials on the island. PREPA has invited FEMA and the Corps to visit its warehouses anytime and to distribute material as needed.

The federal government “began distributing [supplies] to contractors,” Vera said, including hard-to-find full-tension steel sleeves, critical to rebuilding. “We obtained several hundred of these sleeves on Saturday,” Vera added.

The armed encounter comes as around half of Puerto Ricans still remain without electricity well over 100 days after Hurricane Maria. As PREPA hoards crucial resources that could help remedy the island’s dire situation, the Puerto Rican government is attempting to annihilate the power provider’s only regulator.

“Warehouse 5” — the one which USACE and FEMA entered Saturday — “falls under the control of the [PREPA] transmission division and has lacked transparency in inventory and accountability,” the email from Vera continued. Carlos Torres, appointed by Puerto Rico Gov. Ricardo Rosselló to oversee power restoration, was on site as well.

“Due to the size of the warehouse,” Vera said, accounting for everything contained therein is still underway days later. Among the materials recovered so far are “2,875 pieces of critical material to contractors” along with the sleeves of full-tension steel, a component of Puerto Rican electrical infrastructure required to erect new power lines. PREPA did not respond to The Intercept’s request for comment, though in a statement to the Associated Press, it rejected allegations that it had failed to distribute the warehouse’s contents. The AP only reported that “officials over the weekend also discovered some needed materials in a previously overlooked warehouse owned by Puerto Rico’s Electric Power Authority.” How they discovered them and how they were obtained is a story that has not been fully told.

Continues on link.......

[Strike For The South]

We are deporting doctors now.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.09844b33665a

[Montmorency]

We are deporting doctors now.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.09844b33665a

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