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    Default RES GESTAE part 1 : GENS IVLIA

    ROMAN REPUBLIC

    GENS IVLIA

    From WIKIPEDIA ...


    Rome was a civilization that grew out of the city-state of Rome, founded in the Italian Peninsula circa the 9th century BC. During its twelve-century existence, the Roman civilization shifted from a monarchy to an oligarchic republic to a vast empire. It came to dominate Western Europe and the entire area surrounding the Mediterranean Sea through conquest and assimilation.




    In ancient Rome, a gens (pl. gentes) was a clan, or group of families, that shared a common name (the nomen) and a belief in a common ancestor. In the Roman naming convention, the second name was the name of the gens to which the person belonged. The term has also been used to refer to families within a clan system in other contexts, including tribal clans.

    The origins of the gentes are unclear, although they are probably not as ancient as the Romans themselves thought; although some were associated with particular cults or ceremonies, all were primarily personal and familial in nature, with no specific political or public duties. Also, the gentes did not usually have legendary founders that were worshipped, and the gentile assemblies are not recorded to have passed any sort of legally binding resolutions. Few of the names have clear Indo-European etymologies, and some have been traced to Etruscan names.

    Nevertheless, the relationships of the gentes was a major factor in politics; members of the same gens were "family", and therefore frequently (though not always) political allies.

    Gentes did have a legal standing in republican Rome. The gens as a legal entity owned property, including a family burial ground. There was a gens chief, more formally in early Rome and less formally in later Rome; in fact, some notable members of patrician gentes had themselves adopted by plebeian families in order to run for offices not open to the patricii. Members of a gens had a legal obligation to help one another when asked. A gens was exogamous; that is, individuals could not seek marriage partners from within the gens.

    A gens was patrilineal and patriarchal. However, such customs were not necessarily inherited from the Italics; the Etruscans could have exercised them also. By the time of republican Rome, Etruscan culture as a whole was fast assimilating to the Italic. The gentes were probably mixed.

    Originally the plebeians and patricians were not allowed to intermarry, and several patrician families had collapsed as a result, until the Lex Canuleia, allowing intermarriage, was passed.

    Among the patrician gentes there were two categories, the gentes maiores, and the gentes minores. The maiores were the leading families of Rome: these were the Aemilii, Claudii, Cornelii, Fabii, and Valerii, and they claimed special religious and secular privileges.



    Julius (fem. Julia) is the nomen of the gens Julia, an important patrician family of ancient Rome supposed to have descended from Julus. (See also: Julio-Claudian dynasty - Julia Caesaris)

    The name is also seen as Iulius and Iulia. There were many thousands of people bearing it, since the freedman took the gens name of their previous owners, thus many freedmen of the Julio-Claudian emperors received this name.

    From the beginning of the game, they control the provinces of Etruria , Umbria And Liguria.

    The Julius family in real life didn't own northern Italy, but they did become the sovereign rulers of Rome. When playing the game the player is trying to replicate, or expand, on Julius Caesar's success in Gaul. The faction must fight Gaul, Germania, Spain and the northern Carthaginian Empire in Spain. The faction must also fight, or ally, with Britannia.

    In the game, each Roman House represents a different view of the Roman world, and a different vision for the future of the Republic. The liberal Julii are extremely populist, believing in the power and importance of the Senate and People of Rome; everything is done for the glory of the Republic and the fact that Julii family members happen to be made wealthy and well-loved by their citizens is only a bonus and not an incentive.

    This reflects the fact that although historically, the majority of the gens may have been socially conservative, its more famous members were not. Gaius Marius, who married Julia, aunt of Gaius Julius Caesar, was a very liberal member, and served as a populist politician, general, senator, and consul. Gaius Julius Caesar himself was a life-long populist. Both Marius and Caesar were very resolute in their belief that soldiers should be recruited from throughout the Roman Republic, not just Rome, that non-patricians be allowed to serve, that the generals and the state, not the individual soldiers, should be in charge of paying for weapons and armor, that retired soldiers should be given farming land as a sort of pension, and they [Marius and Caesar] favored also the enfranchisement of Italian citizens and the military auxiliaries, respectively.

    The historical Julii clan claimed direct descent from the goddess Venus, however, in the game, the goddess of love is not a deity that the Julii build temples to (these are Jupiter, Ceres, and Bacchus). The Julii are not very traditional, however, being one of the least aristocratic of the Patrician families, and their view of Roman culture can be summed up with the phrase "times change". Living on the frontier of civilization, they occupy the margin between the civilized comforts of Rome-proper and the savage, frozen wilderness of the Barbarian north. As such, they have an intense distaste for Barbarians and the barbarian lifestyle, and although being undoubtedly roughened-up by their life alongside the barbarians, they feel that their duty to Rome is to spread Latin civilization northward. They especially dislike Gauls, who have been a thorn in their side for generations.

    After some success, the player can start the civil war, which happened in real life, but not how the game portrays it. They must strike down the Roman Senate (S.P.Q.R.), and the other Roman factions: the House of Brutii (the enemies of the Hellenistic world) and the House of Scipii (the arch-enemies of Carthage).

    ROMAN JULII UNITS


    INFANTRY


    Premarian Reform

    Roarii



    Funditores



    Velites



    Hastati



    Principes



    Triarii






    Post Marian Reform 107 BC


    cohors Rei Publicae



    Sagittarii Auxiliaria



    Antesignani



    Prima cohors Rei Publicae



    Doctores Machinae



    Principatus Reform 27 BC


    Militia



    Cohors Auxiliaria



    Leves Auxiliarii



    Cohors Principatus



    Cohors Praetoria



    Prima cohors Imperii



    Doctores Machinae Imperii



    Imperium Reform 0 AD


    Cohors Imperialis



    Cohors Gravis






    CAVALRY

    Premarian Reform

    Equites Romani



    Equites Consulares



    Post Marian Reform 107 BC


    Equites Exploratores



    Equites Auxiliarii



    Equites Singulares



    Principatus Reform 14 BC

    Equites Praetoriani



    Equites Legionis



    SPECIALS


    Gladiatores Samnites



    Cohors Alaudae



    All reconstructions are based on several books of reknowed authors , sources and archeological reperts and imagings ... etc...

    There could be some changes by the time this preview is posted and the subsequent release .... mostly concenring some details to add or change stilll ....
    Last edited by PROMETHEUS; 05-08-2006 at 14:45.

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    Wonderful as always, Prom. A few suggestions, and a question:

    My question is how do the IVLII start off the game in comparison to the other Roman factions? If the IVLII get all of the Italian penninsula, then where do the other Roman factions start off in that game? Are the BRVTII in Achaea with the SCIPII in Africa? How does the Roman Revolution come about? Do the other two Roman factions and the Senate faction just "pop up" when it is time for the revoution? What causes the Roman revolution this time?

    Now some suggestions:

    - Your Antesignani, Saggittari Auxilia, and Cohors Auxilia all have capes. But would they really have marched into battle with capes on? A barbarian could easily have grabbed it in the chaos of battle, and it really would have disadvantaged the Roman auxilia in real life. To my knowledge, Roman infantrymen didn't wear capes in battle.

    - This could be the lighting, but a lot of the units that have the segmentata armor (the Cohors Preatoria, Cohors Imperialis, Prima Cohors Imperii, the Equites Legionis, and especially the Cohors Gravis) have really really dark armor, and it sort of looks funny. Perhaps the segmentata armor should be more bright and shiny?

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    Also, I just thought of another question.

    A lot of the later Roman units (like the Cohors Imperialis) have three officer units. They have a Vexillarius, a Signifer, and a Centurion. To my knowledge, all infantry units can only have a maximum of three officers. My question is, if there is a battle and the IVLII fight with only one Cohors Imperialis unit, where will the Captain be? Will he just take over one of the officer posts, or will he take up a fourth slot?

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    Default Re: RES GESTAE part 1 : GENS IVLIA

    The max officers are 4 including the captain .... for capes , some units did wear capes , but this is just hipotetical , even ambushed units could wear capes , but the Sagum is mostly protective from cold and weather and wouln't be used in battle usually , I wanted to add on some becouse it is historically correct that they could have used , but altought it would be more logical to not use in battle I just liked them to have :) ... also about the factions the map shows rome as united nation , the other faction will have the same map but different symbol to show that rome is still united....

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    any one know a release date yet for the mod {it looks brill cant wait to play it}.

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    Default Re: RES GESTAE part 1 : GENS IVLIA

    Awesome stuff ! like the alaudae with their axes !


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    Default Re: RES GESTAE part 1 : GENS IVLIA

    A week or few more....

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    ok ok ok !!!! your units are so awesome and looks so realistic, your Antesignani looks so cool with their lether segementa, your the first one that those so good its unbelivable, your really a good artist and I encourage you or you guys to continue this great work , its 100 % better than the CA version , thank you !!!!!

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    I'm interested in your Roarii and Antisegnani units. What role did they play historically?

    Also: what's your thought on the lorica segmentata armor? It seems too dark in those pictures, although maybe it's just the lighting. Lorica segmentata would look best being shiny and bright, I think.

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    Default Re: RES GESTAE part 1 : GENS IVLIA

    For the Roarii , those are low level class units in ancient rome , In early game they will be used as militia units or as low cost troops in battle ....

    About Segmentata it is dark becouse it is more realistic wqith Iron , most of the modern reconstructions are made of steel and are kept too shiny , I think instead that the look should be more like middleages iron armours than modern day replicas....

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    EDIT: how can I delete a post? (why do you always post a second before I can post? -_-)
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    Shouldn't the eagle-bearer (Aquilifer) for the Prima Cohors Imperii have a mask? Doesn't make sense for a regular Signifer to have one, while an honorable Aquilifer doesn't.

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    Default Re: RES GESTAE part 1 : GENS IVLIA

    HE HAS , THE pic is a bit older ...

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    Bella! : )

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    Freaking Sweet!!!!!
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    Default Re: RES GESTAE part 1 : GENS IVLIA

    your units look great, its nice to see some fairly historical looking romans ;) Especially those late republic/early imperial troops :)

    Just a quick question though, with the lorica Hamatas, does it look like the real thing from the back, with the shoulder pads going into a square ?

    like this:



    sorry, it was the only picture I could find of this.

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    ehm...no


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    Hey Prom, is there any chance that you could make a seperate Centurion officer unit without a shield? While he looks great with other units like Legionaries with big shields, a Centurion with a big scutum looks sort of...out of place...among a unit of skirmishers.

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