General Discussion

[phoenix[illusion]]

This thread is made for discussion of mod. Please tell us what you like about it, what you don't like. Tell us what to do next, or just encourage us!

[Tsar]

OK guys, heat up machines and be prepared for
TSARDOMS

There are some things that I would like to see in the Mod
1.Map:
To be historically correct
To have lots of details(forests, rivers, mountains, isles, trade routes...)
2.Factions:
Unique units with unique descriptions
Historical Character Names
Unit roster increased
3.Mercenaries:
Mercenaries to have more experience
Greater mercenary variety
Regions have more of mercenary special units
4.A1:
Proper Mix of Infantry, Missiles, Cavalry and Artillery
AI to produces more Elite and Heavy units

[phoenix[illusion]]

Here's one information. We'll make two campaign, first will be balkan, second east europe, but that will be later.

[Avitohol]

could you pls post some screenshots from the mod and discription of the units (for example Serbian gussars or Bulgarian Tsar guard how much are their attack defence charge what are their special abilities). And is there much work still to be done around the mod because i`m very happy that someone finally added the balkan countries to MTW II and i can`t wait to play it !

[phoenix[illusion]]

Thanks man! Soon we'll post our first preview, that will be preview of serbian units. Bulgarian units will be in second preview!

[King Orko]

I think you should add Bosnia(later became important and was indipendent) adn wallachia(it is one of the "must have" factions), and another crusader country should be Athens. don't you think it would be better?

[phoenix[illusion]]

That for Athens is ok, but Bosnia and Wallachia were under Hungary.

[Vla_86]

That for Athens is ok, but Bosnia and Wallachia were under Hungary.

If this mod starts at year 1345,I wouldn't quite agree,that Wallachia was under Hungarian rule.I think,the victory by Basarab I over Hungarian king Charles Robert gave independence to Wallachia in year 1330. I am talking about the Battle of Posada.Charles Robert conquered Banat of Severin,but his army was totally destroyed at Lovistea on the way back through Carpatians.It would be nice to see Wallachia in the game,as they were resisting the Turks for the long time in East Europe.

[matko]

Wallachia is in ! this is official now. we are all looking forward to making this interesting faction, but wee need all historical info we can get.

[phoenix[illusion]]

If anyone is interested to be our Historian, Coder or Contributor can join us!

[Pvt.Leka]

Where is that preview with serbian units

[matko]

Where is that preview with serbian units

not finished yet. but we are working hard.

[Milos98]

Is this some kind of recreation of Ftw?

[matko]

Is this some kind of recreation of Ftw?

yes.

[Milos98]

I love the idea, I was sure that the FTW wouldnt make it ,...
The map(map) is going to be concetrated on balkans (and 8000 km radious), right?
I saw a map from some mod (I think that it was alpacas), where Italy was gigantic, So if you enlarge map to 510x227, it should be pretty good. I would love to se balkan with more than 50 settlements on it. And I also suggest adding some austrian faction (Habsburg), on the western empty space.

[matko]

well ftw was a good idea but a bit to ambitious.
wee need to take one step at the time. Balkan is of course first step, thn eastern Europe and after that who knows....

faction list is not final. i strongly support inclusion of Hapsburg (HRE) and Kamaran (muslim, turkish).

[LegioScythia]

Will the mongols be present to ? Since according to the map, some of those territories were controlled by the golden horde during that time.

[phoenix[illusion]]

Hm, if somebody wants to help, please join us, and be our contributor
Contact me on msn: phoenix-vision@hotmail.com

[Sarmatian]

well ftw was a good idea but a bit to ambitious.
wee need to take one step at the time. Balkan is of course first step, thn eastern Europe and after that who knows....

faction list is not final. i strongly support inclusion of Hapsburg (HRE) and Kamaran (muslim, turkish).

I agree with Karaman, we need another muslim faction.

I'm not so sure about Hapsburgs... It was a long time after 1345 that they started to have any real influence in the Balkans and Asia Minor...

[matko]

Hapsburg can be non-playable. i just think than for balance it is good to have a faction north of Hungary. or hung can become too strong. so indirectly they did have an influence, because hungarian kings spent lots of time effort and money on their rivality with hapb.

[King Orko]

I think the map should be much smaller.

[Vla_86]

I think Karaman should be added as a another muslim faction.Just for balance in Asia Minor.This mod starts at year 1345,and Karaman was a important state at that time.Karaman was founded in the middle of 13th century and fell to Ottomans in late 15the century.Just like Matko said for Hungary on the north,I think Ottomans could be become too strong in early period in Asia Minor and make a real mess in Balkans .Thrue expansion of Ottomans begins in second half of 15th century.

[Sarmatian]

Thrue expansion of Ottomans begins in second half of 15th century.

Not entirely true. Before Constantinople fell (1453), Ottoman Empire was the chief power both in Asia Minor and Balkans...

Concerning them making mess in the Balkans - well that's what happened historicaly.

[Sarmatian]

If our esteemed leader agrees, I propose adding Karaman and Bosnia as new factions and then we should finalize our faction list so that we can actualy start working...

I still have mixed feelings about Hapsburgs. If we are just gonna put them as a counterweight to Hungary, we could just as well put Genoa as a counterweight to Venice. But the fact still stands that neither had any real influence in this part of the world in mod's timeframe...

[Tsar]

I am against to add Bosnia as a faction, because that will put Serbia in very difficult situation. There will be no rebels provinces to expand and if you consider very strong Hungary on the north, Bulgaria on the east and Ottomans coming from the south. Will be very hard to play as a Serbia

[Sarmatian]

I am against to add Bosnia as a faction, because that will put Serbia in very difficult situation. There will be no rebels provinces to expand and if you consider very strong Hungary on the north, Bulgaria on the east and Ottomans coming from the south. Will be very hard to play as a Serbia

That's not a good reason not to include Bosnia. Rebels should only be used to fill up empty spots.

And anyway, in 1345, the only real Serbian rival in the penninsula was Hungary and Ottoman Sultanate. Bulgaria and Bosnia were in no shape to challenge Serbia's dominance, which should make playing those factions extremely interesting.

[matko]

and the Bosnian heretic Krstjani would really make situation interesting. he he
we should enable crusades for Hungary to deal with the heretics (Krstjani), schismatics (Orthodox) and infidels (Muslims). he he.
remember that in Hungary at that time idea of a holy war still could raise masses (Nicopolis, siege of Belgrade and numerous attacks on Bosnia were justified as a defense of the "only true faith"). most of there "crusades" were unsuccessful but they were an important factor.

[phoenix[illusion]]

hehe, that's great matko, really great. I'm thinking about making Bosnia as faction, but under protectoration of Hungary

[matko]

hehe, that's great matko, really great. I'm thinking about making Bosnia as faction, but under protectoration of Hungary

can it be coded that they start as vassal?

and another question - for coders - would it be a good idea (and can it be coded) to make a rebellion after faction leader dies (lets say that we make a 60% or 70% chance that after faction leaders die a stack or 2 of rebel armies spawn in your land to simulate the instability of states back then and feudal anarchy - remember what happened to Serbia and Hungary after 2 great kings -Ludovik and Dusan - died)

[phoenix[illusion]]

Hm, that is possible I think, but we need someone who is good with traits/ancillaries