The Midgard Saga [Concluded]

[Redleg]

Wow.

When you have no argument, try to get the "lurker" one to bail you out...

Now, Redleg, Heimdall and I have to fight before anything. It's just the roles. After this, I will duel Ichigo if he has not been lynched as Jotun yet...

Oh I hope that the aspects of the challenge allow us mere humans to attempt to halt the duel between the gods - but alas I am fairily sure that the gods will influence the picking of the holmgang particpants.

But it did serve my main purpose - to create conservation around the events.


Especially the statement that you just made about the "lurker" defense. Your about spot on with your rebuttal to Sasaki on that one in my opinion

[Redleg]

I guess he hasn't played with reenk much. Redleg, RR is even less trustworthy than me.

However in your case you have proven yourself untrustworthy, in two games.

Reenk on the other hand is still relative unkown. Not completely since he also lied in the last game - but in this one I believe he is being more forth coming then you. SO the benefit of the doubt in this game goes to him. Provide more information in the hunt for the jotun versus just wanting to get rid of the "lurkers" and you might be able to return to the "benefit of the doubt" column.

Now Ichigo seems to be the most worthwhile individual to determine wether or not he is jotun or just an individual who tried to use deception to trap an individual he thought was a jotun. So far Reenk's version is the most consistent. While Ichigo is less consistent. Is the inconsistency in Ichigo's statements one of an individual attempting to hide his role?

I find inconsistency to be a tell concerning someone's role being either pro-town or not.

Hince the challenge made by myself on Ichigo.

If he wasn't the most visible in that - I would actually be delving into your statements more then I have so far. But never fear - the posts are still there to review - so after we determine Ichigo's true status and role - we can focus on others to include me if you so wish.

[Reenk Roink]

The "trustworthy" comment is actually quite pointless.

In Mafia V and Rise of the Mob, I was selected as a Mafia. My role required me to actively kill the townies and deceive them. I stayed true to my role.

In Capo de Tutti Capi, I was selected as a Luca. I was passive in that game, as my role required me to protect my Don(na). I only engaged in deceit in response to Redleg's inquiries, because he was after my Don(na).

In other games, I have been selected as a pro-town role, and carried out my job. As hobo in Gotta Have More Mafia, I stopped Godfather Sigurd Fafnesbane quite a bit before getting suckered by him. As detective in Mafia IV, I got Masy, though in that case, my role was redundant. As the vigilante in another game, I successfully killed AggonyDuck, a Mafia.

In other games, I have functioned as a townie, and I have either been actively trying to help the town, or interested in my own amusement. Never have I tried to aid the Mafia.

In this game, I played my role as Loki as described. I caused chaos and confusion in the beginning, putting both the town and Jotun on edge. However, now I am siding with the town, as I am required to pick a side.

I have been validated in my role and in the Holmgang ratings that I gave.

You on the other hand, Sasaki Kojiro, are known to be a bad townie. You start bandwagons, ask irrelevant and nitpicky questions, and make up for the logical poverty of your arguments with annoying pestering. You even have an entry in the Mafia glossary:

Kojiro: A person who claims to be either a mafioso or Detective, but is in reality just a plain old villager. Named after Sasaki Kojiro, who famously claimed to be the Detective in Game II.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

@Reenk: Maybe I should start posting only in pictures

@Redleg: Lurkers are a decent choice without something else to go on. Last two rounds when we tried to go after someone we ended up with no lynch. Lynching an innocent in this case was better than no lynch. Last two games with you I was mafia btw.

[Csargo]

However in your case you have proven yourself untrustworthy, in two games.

Reenk on the other hand is still relative unkown. Not completely since he also lied in the last game - but in this one I believe he is being more forth coming then you. SO the benefit of the doubt in this game goes to him. Provide more information in the hunt for the jotun versus just wanting to get rid of the "lurkers" and you might be able to return to the "benefit of the doubt" column.

Now Ichigo seems to be the most worthwhile individual to determine wether or not he is jotun or just an individual who tried to use deception to trap an individual he thought was a jotun. So far Reenk's version is the most consistent. While Ichigo is less consistent. Is the inconsistency in Ichigo's statements one of an individual attempting to hide his role?

I find inconsistency to be a tell concerning someone's role being either pro-town or not.

Hince the challenge made by myself on Ichigo.

If he wasn't the most visible in that - I would actually be delving into your statements more then I have so far. But never fear - the posts are still there to review - so after we determine Ichigo's true status and role - we can focus on others to include me if you so wish.

So since RR's more consistent than me therefore he must not be lieing? Alright so kill me for not making sure everything I've said isn't exactly what I've said before. You'll soon find out that someone who's post seem more consistent is because they have went through and made sure that everything they say is exactly the same as before so they won't be caught and lynched because of inconsistency. While someone who is innocent doesn't go back and make sure everything is exactly right. You'll learn eventually.

Oh and if you go back and look at any of my arguement's I'm never consistent. Whether guilty or innocent.

[Redleg]

@Redleg: Lurkers are a decent choice without something else to go on. Last two rounds when we tried to go after someone we ended up with no lynch. Lynching an innocent in this case was better than no lynch. Last two games with you I was mafia btw.

Which is exactly why your actions are not trustworthy. Double edge sword for you right now. Your going have to demonstrate in a better way that you have the town's best interest in mind.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Folks:

My role says my objective is to find and kill Loki.

My Holmgang challenge to him would supercede any others.

I asked for him not to be lynched so that I may fulfill my role's purpose. I also figured the town could go after someone else -- Disco having been selected.

Some have called on me to not do so.

Why should I not challenge him now? In what way does the town gain? Neither of our roles are able to search any longer and Reenk has either helped the town already by naming the Jotun he knows or he is pursuing chaos and you'll never get the name from him.

Failing a compelling answer to this, I will issue the challenge and let Siggy get writing up the battle.


Challenge: Loki (Reenk Roink)

[Redleg]

So since RR's more consistent than me therefore he must not be lieing?

That is not what was stated. The wording was a very spefic statement - not wether I believed that he is indeed telling the truth - just that you are obviousily lieing.

Alright so kill me for not making sure everything I've said isn't exactly what I've said before. You'll soon find out that someone who's post seem more consistent is because they have went through and made sure that everything they say is exactly the same as before so they won't be caught and lynched because of inconsistency. While someone who is innocent doesn't go back and make sure everything is exactly right. You'll learn eventually.

However what you failed to notice is that inconsistent statements are not the norm for those that are not trying to hide something. That Reenk might have taken more time in being consistent with his writing means that he has taken the time to make sure his comments flow.

For instance I have been fairily consistent in my writing in this thread, becaue I have not attempt to decieve anyone. However your statements are inconsistent because you have attempted to decieve others. Now does that make you a jotun - maybe it does maybe it doesn't. However yur the individual that has done the most deception attempts so far in this thread and that warrants a challenge to possiblily prevent the holmgang between the two gods.

Oh and if you go back and look at any of my arguement's I'm never consistent. Whether guilty or innocent.

Another nail in your coffin for this game.

[Caius]

Still lost.
Too many words.Im confused.I have to read all again

[Reenk Roink]

@Reenk: Maybe I should start posting only in pictures

Come on dude, you know I like to have fun in these games. I already said: "In other games, I have functioned as a townie, and I have either been actively trying to help the town, or interested in my own amusement. Never have I tried to aid the Mafia."

But even in that game, I was with Siggy-Faf in trying to fish out the Mafia. I spoke up for Ichigo and tried to play GeneralHankerchief. I told you guys that we figured out Kommodus was guilty.

[Caius]

Challenge:Omanes

Lurker

[Csargo]

That is not what was stated. The wording was a very spefic statement - not wether I believed that he is indeed telling the truth - just that you are obviousily lieing.



However what you failed to notice is that inconsistent statements are not the norm for those that are not trying to hide something. That Reenk might have taken more time in being consistent with his writing means that he has taken the time to make sure his comments flow.

For instance I have been fairily consistent in my writing in this thread, becaue I have not attempt to decieve anyone. However your statements are inconsistent because you have attempted to decieve others. Now does that make you a jotun - maybe it does maybe it doesn't. However yur the individual that has done the most deception attempts so far in this thread and that warrants a challenge to possiblily prevent the holmgang between the two gods.



Another nail in your coffin for this game.

Yeah that's it.

I bet they are. I shall fly off to Valhalla, and I'll be laughing as I go. Or he was taking the time to make sure he isn't contradicting himself.

If you would please point out my inconsistency's? I could really careless if the God's fight it is there choice and if they wish to kill each other then fine. Who am I or even you to prevent something that both the Gods want?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Which is exactly why your actions are not trustworthy. Double edge sword for you right now. Your going have to demonstrate in a better way that you have the town's best interest in mind.

Err? I'm not trustworthy because I've been mafia?

The real answer is no one is trustworthy unless you think they've acted very pro town. And even then, it's possible to be mistaken.

[Csargo]

The "trustworthy" comment is actually quite pointless.

In Mafia V and Rise of the Mob, I was selected as a Mafia. My role required me to actively kill the townies and deceive them. I stayed true to my role.

In Capo de Tutti Capi, I was selected as a Luca. I was passive in that game, as my role required me to protect my Don(na). I only engaged in deceit in response to Redleg's inquiries, because he was after my Don(na).

In other games, I have been selected as a pro-town role, and carried out my job. As hobo in Gotta Have More Mafia, I stopped Godfather Sigurd Fafnesbane quite a bit before getting suckered by him. As detective in Mafia IV, I got Masy, though in that case, my role was redundant. As the vigilante in another game, I successfully killed AggonyDuck, a Mafia.

In other games, I have functioned as a townie, and I have either been actively trying to help the town, or interested in my own amusement. Never have I tried to aid the Mafia.

In this game, I played my role as Loki as described. I caused chaos and confusion in the beginning, putting both the town and Jotun on edge. However, now I am siding with the town, as I am required to pick a side.

I have been validated in my role and in the Holmgang ratings that I gave.

You on the other hand, Sasaki Kojiro, are known to be a bad townie. You start bandwagons, ask irrelevant and nitpicky questions, and make up for the logical poverty of your arguments with annoying pestering. You even have an entry in the Mafia glossary:

Loki: The God of tricks and pranks. The rebel God is a well known force often misinterpreted as evil. Loki made much mischief but also some good deeds.

Your task in this game is to make chaos. It should be a fun task.

As the god of tricks and pranks you do not really affiliate to either Jotun (Mafia) or Æsir (pro-town).

But you can decide which alignment you will follow.

At some point in the game, PM me with your alignment but do it before the last two rounds in the game. No one knows how long this game will last, and it will be a chance to stall too long. If no PM is received and the game ends, you will be on the losing team.

When you PM me with your alignment, you are able to help your side in a small but important way. It depends on which alignment you choose, so I will tell you after you send your PM.

There is one person from both the Æsir and Jotun who know your identity, but otherwise you are an undercover God.

[Redleg]

Err? I'm not trustworthy because I've been mafia?

The real answer is no one is trustworthy unless you think they've acted very pro town. And even then, it's possible to be mistaken.

That is only part of the problem. I question your actions and intent in going after discovery now taht its shown that he was an innocent. So you have supported my own conclusion of your trustworthyness.

Like I stated alreadly - your on a double edge sword. ANd it seems you keep cutting yourself deeper and deeper with your own arguements

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Lynching innocent disco > no lynch

[Reenk Roink]

...and I did make Chaos...

It was great for awhile having you on one side and the town on the other. I hadn't made up my mind then, but then you insulted me by voting against me and saying essentially that "we call the shots"...

Now I've already joined the pro-town side. I'm going to stop confusing them. I've already caused a lot of chaos in your Jotun camp though, as now you're going to have to figure out how to win with 2...

Lynching innocent disco > no lynch

No. The town was following a no lynch policy. If they kept it going, more work for the Jotun...

[Csargo]

...and I did make Chaos...

It was great for awhile having you on one side and the town on the other. I hadn't made up my mind then, but then you insulted me by voting against me and saying essentially that "we call the shots"...

Now I've already joined the pro-town side. I'm going to stop confusing them. I've already caused a lot of chaos in your Jotun camp though, as now you're going to have to figure out how to win with 2...



No. The town was following a no lynch policy. If they kept it going, more work for the Jotun...

Loki: The God of tricks and pranks. The rebel God is a well known force often misinterpreted as evil. Loki made much mischief but also some good deeds.

Your task in this game is to make chaos. It should be a fun task.

As the god of tricks and pranks you do not really affiliate to either Jotun (Mafia) or Æsir (pro-town).

But you can decide which alignment you will follow.

At some point in the game, PM me with your alignment but do it before the last two rounds in the game. No one knows how long this game will last, and it will be a chance to stall too long. If no PM is received and the game ends, you will be on the losing team.

When you PM me with your alignment, you are able to help your side in a small but important way. It depends on which alignment you choose, so I will tell you after you send your PM.

There is one person from both the Æsir and Jotun who know your identity, but otherwise you are an undercover God.

So if you've chosen sides then what is the small important way you help the town? If you've even chosen sides. (Which I doubt)

[Redleg]

Lynching innocent disco > no lynch

lynching Ichigo > disco

or

lynching Sasaki > no lynch.

The logic your trying here is not logical, as demonstrated by using your name instead of disco

[Reenk Roink]

So if you've chosen sides then what is the small important way you help the town? If you've even chosen sides. (Which I doubt)

Wouldn't the Jotun like to know...

[Csargo]

Wouldn't the Jotun like to know...

I guess it takes a while to make up a lie.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

lynching Ichigo > disco

or

lynching Sasaki > no lynch.

That logic is not logical.

Ichigo posts enough that we can figure out if he's mafia. Same with me. Lynching Disco = possible lynch of mafia + one less Jotun suspect. If the Jotun have their way we'll get down to 7 left with all seven being suspicious, poor odds. We need to narrow down the list of possibles.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Redleg:

How do we know Disco to have been innocent?

Not saying it's not possible -- happens every game almost -- just wondering where you get to that definitive a statement of his status. Did I miss something in my review of this thread?

I spotlighted him for a different posting style than usual -- particularly in content/tone.

[Reenk Roink]

I guess it takes a while to make up a lie.

This is coming from the guy who gave us three different stories. Tell me Ichigo, what are you now? Jotun, Golden God, War Veteran, or just some dude with knowledge about ol' Loki.

By the way, anyone can PM me about my special ability, if I trust you as townie, I'll tell.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

We're assuming that Jotun don't go to valhalla.

[Redleg]

Redleg:

How do we know Disco to have been innocent?

Not saying it's not possible -- happens every game almost -- just wondering where you get to that definitive a statement of his status. Did I miss something in my review of this thread?

I spotlighted him for a different posting style than usual -- particularly in content/tone.

The clue was the horseback ride with the woman. That was the sign of an individual on the side of light and good.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Correct. Jotuns go to Jotunheim. The honored dead head to Asgard. Loki started in Asgard, but got the boot.

[Csargo]

All right, that's it. You overplayed your hand Csar/Ichigo. Or should I say: Hrungnir...

Proof?

His first PM sent me was quite early in the game, right after I claimed my status as Loki:

I knew you were around somewhere. I've been searching for you.

Ichigo

I quickly replied:

Bring it on sucka...

Of course, Ichigo didn't want to fight, he wanted to kill townies, recruiting me in the process:

I have no beef with you. I knew your role before you even knew it existed .

I'm not after you I just hope you would side with the Jotun. I am Hrungnir, and I know you get to pick sides. You should go ahead and side with us, as your role basically is there to confuse the town anyway.

Trust me, I wouldn't have contacted you if I was trying to kill you.

Ichigo

He sent me another PM.

Here is a townie PM we were able to get. Use it if you get in trouble:

Human

Sigmund “the axe” Germundsson


You are a War Veteran and in the service of the Jarl of Hordaland. You are basically a townie with high Holmgang stats

Ichigo

I became wishy-washy with Csar, and began my second round of posting.

I replied to him:

OK, we're going to do things on my terms if I join you.

Why have you been "looking for me"?

Why did you contact me?

How do you know I'm Æsir?

Answer my questions.

Sorry Reenk, we call the shots here. You are already close to getting lynched.

I've been wondering who the entire game who the God was.

I really have no answer for that.

Sigurd.

Ichigo

It was at this point I got upset, and started to say I expose the Jotun in public.

Now he has pushed it over the top. Pretty telling how Ichigo has been after me for quite awhile now...

Next round Ichigo, it is you who is going down.

Never piss off Loki...

Really now he's being completely honest? Read through our PM conversation again you'll notice somethings are not quite right. If you can't figure them out yourself then well I guess I'll have to explain them for you. Edit: Now compared to the one I posted which one seems more real?

I knew you were around somewhere. I've been searching for you.

Ichigo
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Bring it on sucka...
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I have no beef with you. I knew your role before you even knew it existed .

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I know who you are Csar. You are the one out for me...

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No, I'm not after you I just hope you would side with the town. I'm just a plain old townie like always.

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Give me a break Csar. My identity is hidden from everyone, but Sigurd did say there was "someone out to get you".

You're the only one who knew what I was talking about.

Now, I'm going to challenge you right now, and you better hope you can get me before I get you, cause my Holmgang score is through the roof...

We'll see what happens.

Hopefully the dice are on my side and I get to kill you in a duel.
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Fine. I wouldn't have contacted you if I was trying to kill you, but you shall die by my sword.

Ichigo
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You can't kill me buddy.

You really don't know how high my Holmgang is...

I told you all, I have no special powers, except for the Holmgangmeister that I am.

I haven't issued the challenge yet, because you challenged Sasaki just now.

Who are you?

Let me see you PM.

You may be a townie, but you got a PM, and you know something about me.

Why have you been "looking for me"?

Why did you contact me?

How do you know I'm Æsir?

Answer my questions.
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Human

Sigmund “the axe” Germundsson


You are a War Veteran and in the service of the Jarl of Hordaland. You are basically a townie with high Holmgang stats


Holmgang ability : 3 (WarVeteran) = 3

Sigmund "the axe" Germundsson is who I am.

I've been wondering who the entire game who the God was.

I really have no answer for that.

Sigurd.

Ichigo
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Looks legit, though you may have borrowed a PM...

I dunno...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Thanks Redleg -- I'd skimmed too quickly, I see. You are right and my lynch was mis-placed.

Sorry for that Disco.

[Redleg]

Really now he's being completely honest?

Again with the false conclusion hiding behind a question. I said he was being more consistent. You on the other hand are being inconsistent. Inconsistent is normally the tell of someone stating falsehoods. Now if you don't understand that statement maybe I will explain it into more detail. But most likely I won't. At least not until you provide a satifactory (SP) answer to tie up the inconsistency in your own statements.

Read through our PM conversation again you'll notice somethings are not quite right. If you can't figure them out yourself then well I guess I'll have to explain them for you.

Oh don't worry - once I settle your role and status to my satifisation, then I will decide if Reenk needs futher pursuit to insure he is telling the truth. Or I could just support Seamus and his claim of being a god. It seems that since both gods have challenged eac other that at a minimum they have a 1/3 possiblity to the Holmgang without any other factors included in the odds of that, and all six possible challenges are actually filled. Other factors could increase their probablity to include not all six challenges are done. Plus I suspect that one of the game conditions is that once one of the gods challenge another god - their duel is fought above all others.

Right now however you have not explained away your own inconsistency.

So after this night phase - I wonder if you can explain enough to avoid the lynch.