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    The Spartan, I'll bet you anything you wish that it's not wonderland. How could it be, after I defended him?

    I just hope it's not Lemur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur
    The truth will out shortly.
    Funny. You made a similar statement in M3. Congratulations Lemur. Well played.
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    How many times do I have to tell you people it is Lemur??!!

    why on earth is he still alive.. ?!?!?
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    Seriously... I'm kind of in shock over the whole matter. Lemur should have been lynched the first second he started making those comments. I don't know what happened. If somehow he's not mafia, by golly I'll lynch myself.

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    Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. For the last mafioso had decided that it would be so. He sat in his lab, typing furiously at a keyboard. The final preparations were being made.

    All day he typed, not caring what the other inhabitants of the Frontroom were up to. They would soon die, anyway. He only stopped working twice – once to get lunch, once a bit later on to deposit the remnants of that lunch into the sewage system. It was a very efficient procedure, mimicking the very efficient killer who used the procedure.

    Finally, a little before sunset, the mafioso pressed the last key and turned his computer off. He made his way to the town square, where Chief of Police Beirut instructed the villagers to gather if nobody had been killed.

    Once everybody (four people) was present, Beirut started to speak from the execution platform.

    “Gentlemen,” he began, “nobody has been killed. It appears that the mafia are finally- finally…”

    Someone had bounded up the steps and knocked Beirut out of the way. With a triumphant expression on his face, he began speaking. Dazed, Beirut looked up and saw who it was…





    Lemur.

    “Well, how we all doing this evening?” Lemur shouted to the other three with an evil look on his face. Instantly they looked terrified.

    “Apparently, not so hot, judging by all your faces. What’s the matter, did you hear some bad news?”

    Lemur suddenly turned serious.

    “Well, it’s about to get a lot worse. Because guess what? You didn’t kill me. Even when you had all the chances in the world; even when I was acting like an idiot; even when you were one vote away from saving everything…”

    Evil_Maniac_From_Mars looked down in shame.

    “You still didn’t kill me. You insulted me, oh yes, there was plenty of that, but no lynching for the Lemur! I guess you needed a whipping boy. Well, it doesn’t matter in any case because now I’m going to kill you all.”

    AggonyDuck, dazed, finally spoke up. “Wait a minute, how did you do all this?!”

    Lemur laughed. “What a pathetic attempt to extend your miserable lives. But very well, I’ll talk. After all, you don’t get any glory when there’s nobody around to give you it.

    “I knew right away that old Sigurd Fafnesbane was on my case, snooping around. So I got rid of him first, with poison gas. Then my master plan began. First I acquired money, several key items, and whereabouts to make a factory. Killing all you weaklings in the process. I was delighted when The Spartan confessed to being a mafioso – it bought time for me. I didn’t have to research any more silly weapons and say that ridiculous word “Arrivederci” for a while.”

    Now Wonderland asked a question. “Wait a minute, so there was no arrivederci killer?”

    “No, it was all me. Just poor, lonely, Lemur. Well, not anymore. See, the reason that nobody was killed today was because I was too busy. Busy putting the finishing touches on my master plan.

    Beirut knew he had one last chance. “There won’t be a master plan!” he roared, gun out, lunging for Lemur.

    But Lemur was too quick, pressing a button. Out of nowhere several small, brown, long-tailed, big-eyed critters came and swarmed the beloved Police Chief while his citizens watched in horror. In a matter of seconds Beirut had completely disappeared.

    “Little, robotic lemurs!” their namesake crowed. “Aren’t they beautiful? And the best part is they are impervious to anything that might harm them – even nuclear weapons. Oh, I forgot to mention – they multiply every hour.

    “So, this world will become Lemurland while I rebuild civilization my own way in the stars. For you see, I’ve built a space station. And up there waiting for me are my wife, little lemurs, and several of the best people from the Babe Thread. So, I’ll say it one more time…

    “Arrivederci, gentlemen.”

    The inhabitants of the Frontroom watched in silence as Lemur strapped on a jetpack and flew off into the distance, cackling madly. Before they were destroyed by the creatures they saw a rocket flying into space. The mafia had succeeded.


    Here is the final status list:

    Still alive:
    Lemur

    Wrath of God:
    Ianofsmeg16
    Kralizec
    diablodelmar
    littlelostboy
    Csar
    Kagemusha
    Stormcrow
    Alexander the Pretty Good

    Killed:
    Sigurd Fafnesbane
    discovery1
    UltraWar
    Zalmoxis
    Tiberius
    Silver Rusher
    Sasaki Kojiro
    B_Ray
    Divinus Arma
    Orb
    Pannonian
    Ice
    Drisos
    Cowhead418
    Peasant Phill
    Hiji
    Crazed Rabbit
    SSNeoperestroika
    AggonyDuck
    Evil_Maniac_From_Mars
    Wonderland

    Executed:
    Banquo's Ghost
    Destroyer of Hope
    The Spartan
    Uesugi Kenshin
    Ignoramus
    Divine Wind
    Reenk Roink
    Gertgregoor
    Kommodus

    Result:

    “HEY, WAIT A MINUTE! EVERYTHING FREEZE!!!”

    Everything froze. The little Lemurs had not finished killing their victims yet. It was the voice of God/General Hankerchief.

    “OKAY, I’VE HAD MY FUN. WERE YOU FOOLED? ANYWAY, HERE’S THE REAL ENDING TO ALL OF THIS.”
    Last edited by GeneralHankerchief; 09-05-2006 at 13:43.
    "I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
    "Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
    "I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
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    Quote Originally Posted by TosaInu
    At times I read back my own posts [...]. It's not always clear at first glance.


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    Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet.

    Yesterday Chief of Police Beirut was demoralized when he received the head of his detective, Crazed Rabbit. The poor guy had uncovered nothing aside from the names of a few innocents who were soon to be killed off by the mafia.

    Rabbit’s last message before he died was that AggonyDuck was innocent. Not like it mattered, since if Beirut revealed that he was in correspondence with the Detective then his cover would be blown. Best to just wait for the Detective to do it himself.

    But Rabbit was dead, and with it his mostly useless information. Beirut had no idea who the mafia was, but the Chief of Police decided to do some snooping himself. The old general store out in the countryside seemed like a good place to start, it was right near the big explosion that killed SSNeoperestroika yesterday.

    But when he arrived, he found that the general store was a big pile of ash. Apparently it wasn’t just close to the big explosion; it’s what exploded. Beirut groaned, sifting through the ash to try to find something, anything.

    After about thirty minutes, something away from the ash caught his eye. It was a piece of paper that had drifted away, surviving the blast. Beirut picked it up; it looked a couple of days old.

    “Proj. completed, in process of moving to launch site (cereal factory) – automated launch unless verbal shutdown given”

    Automated launch? He didn’t like the sound of that. Beirut gunned his old cop car in the direction of the old cereal factory, way on the other side of town. The clock was ticking.



    Once at the factory, he found the doors locked. After breaking them down, he found the factory, supposedly abandoned, was very much full of activity. The question is – what was being produced? Beirut figured that he’d try the offices.

    After breaking down another door (this was fun!) he found a clue. Not what he was looking for but proof that at least one mafioso was down. A strange-looking dagger was in the corner of the office, with a note attached.

    “Looks like it’s the end for me. Kill Rabbit with this tomorrow – it’s a katar. Persian weapon, very nasty. –Gert”

    So. Gertgregoor was the “arrivederci” mafioso. The question was, who was the airplane mafioso? Who had engineered this entire operation and obviously planned to destroy the Frontroom, as well a big radius around it? Beirut looked for more clues, aware that he was running out of time. The noises in the factory were getting louder.

    The central control room might have some answers, he reasoned. Once making his way there (and breaking another door down along the way), Beirut gasped at the sheer amount of machinery. Control panels lined the entire wall, and not all of it looked made for making cereal.

    At the center of it all was an ordinary computer. Beirut, desperate, turned it on and found that no password was required to log on. Apparently this was the one thing that the mafioso had overlooked. Unless it was another trap.

    Beirut browsed through the computer. “C’mon, tell me whether the mafioso’s dead or not!” He kept looking and finally found an interesting file.

    “…Project nanite sweep v1.0 (FINAL) … authored by Kommodus06…”

    Phew. Kommodus was the airplane mafioso, the mastermind. He was also dead. Things were suddenly a lot easier.

    “…final launch set for September 5 at 1200 hours…”

    1200 hours??? Beirut checked his watch.

    “Great, so I have two minutes and one second.” One second later, just like in all the movies, the room began to flash red and an alarm went off. A pleasant woman’s voice, probably the sister of the woman who announced that Spaceball One had 5 seconds until self-destruct, came on the intercom.

    “Nanites will spread in two minutes. Nanites will spread in one minute and fifty-seven seconds.”

    Nanites! These little machine buggers would replicate… and replicate… and replicate until they swallowed up the entire planet! They had to be stopped! Beirut searched the entire control panel, and there it was. A big lever with the words “PROJECT SHUTDOWN” on it.

    “Nanites will spread in one minute and thirty seconds.”

    He ran over and pulled it.

    “Verbal confirmation required to shut down.”

    Beirut cursed out loud for forgetting the first note he read.

    “Verbal readings do not match. Intruder alert. Intruder alert.”

    All of a sudden a large robot entered the room, carrying a MAC-10. This was bad. Immediately it started firing at Beirut, who quickly dove for cover. The few free seconds he had he spent praying to General Hankerchief.

    “You know, this wasn’t what I had in mind when I was hoping for some deus ex machina! A little help wouldn’t hurt here!”

    But God/General Hankerchief was silent. Beirut was on his own.

    For the next minute or so, Beirut played the role of the geeky kid in the school games of dodgeball as he tried to avoid the robot’s guns. Dodging left and right, double-feinting, it tired him out, but he stayed alive.

    “Nanites will spread in thirty seconds.”

    He couldn’t keep this up forever. First of all, he was getting really tired, and second of all if he didn’t pull something off he had thirty seconds to live. Heck, the world had thirty seconds to live. As he continued to dodge, he wished that he had his own gun with him.

    “Nanites will spread in fifteen seconds.”

    Waitaminute – he had his trusty axe! In a flash of inspiration, Beirut had an idea. But he would have to get this perfectly.

    “Nanites will spread in ten seconds.”

    Running for dear life, Beirut crossed the manual shutdown lever, diving for cover. The robot’s fire followed, messing up the outer shell of the control panel a little bit. Beirut then reared back and flung the axe at the robot – a direct hit! The robot’s head was split.

    “Five.”

    He rushed to pull the axe out.

    “Four.”

    The axe was pulled out, and he headed for the control panel.

    “Three.”

    He started hacking away at the panel, desperate to expose anything.

    “Two.”

    More hacking. Finally, an opening. Beirut raised his arms for the final blow.

    “One.”

    “You’re closed, woman!” With a mighty swing Beirut split a few wires, causing a minor explosion. The voice was finally silenced, the lights out. Success.

    Beirut made his way out of the factory, a little bloody (one of the shots had clipped him in the shoulder), a lot tired, but nanite-free. He rigged some C4 to the building and blew it up in triumph. Finally he returned to the police station, where he called the four remaining villagers to gather in the town square. Once there, he addressed them for the final time.

    “Gentlemen,” he began, “THE MAFIA ARE NO MORE!!!

    Everyone cheered. Beirut had saved the town and the world, but he didn’t tell the villagers that. After all, the balance of power (villagers annoying the much-maligned authority figure) needed to be kept. He couldn’t have people respecting him, all of a sudden.

    And so, night fell in the Frontroom. Not all was quiet, because of the raucous party being held in one of the pubs. They were alive.


    Here is the final status list. Congratulations to those who survived.

    Still alive:
    AggonyDuck
    evil_maniac from mars
    Lemur
    Wonderland

    Wrath of God:
    Ianofsmeg16
    Kralizec
    diablodelmar
    littlelostboy
    Csar
    Kagemusha
    Stormcrow
    Alexander the Pretty Good

    Killed:
    Sigurd Fafnesbane
    discovery1
    UltraWar
    Zalmoxis
    Tiberius
    Silver Rusher
    Sasaki Kojiro
    B_Ray
    Divinus Arma
    Orb
    Pannonian
    Ice
    Drisos
    Cowhead418
    Peasant Phill
    Hiji
    Crazed Rabbit
    SSNeoperestroika

    Executed:
    Banquo's Ghost
    Destroyer of Hope
    The Spartan
    Uesugi Kenshin
    Ignoramus
    Divine Wind
    Reenk Roink
    Gertgregoor
    Kommodus

    Result:
    TOWNSPEOPLE VICTORY

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    That about wraps it up for Mafia III. Look for my writeup/commentary soon. Silver, I ask that you hold off on starting your game until you post it, otherwise we’ll have an angry chief of police on our hands. Thanks for playing, everybody!
    "I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
    "Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
    "I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
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    My Commentary
    (...or “Memoirs of a Mafioso”)
    (...or “The Mafioso Manifesto”)

    Well, the game is finally over. GeneralHankerchief will surely soon post his own commentary; however, I've decided to write about the game from my own perspective. Also, I've been dying to get this off my chest for a long time. I'd like to say congratulations to the villagers on a game well-played. To me, it's actually a great relief that it's over.

    This is a long and probably overly-wordy commentary, but hopefully it explains a lot.

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    This is the story of two Mafiosi who had the game well in hand, yet spectacularly lost it in the end through a series of errors and miscommunications. These mistakes were shared by both Gertgregoor and myself.

    Game Opening:

    I was, of course, surprised to be selected as one of the mafia. I knew immediately our odds of winning were rather slim – we had more people to kill than any mafia team to date, and there was still the matter of the detective. Besides, I’d already identified myself as a threat to the mafia in the second game, and when I wasn’t killed, the townspeople would suspect me. I didn’t know anything about Gertgregoor, my partner, but he quickly suggested killing certain people, including Tiberius, Lemur, and anyone else who appeared to be following the game too closely, as well as several that knew him well.

    Initially I didn’t have much of a strategy behind who to kill and who to vote for. I planned to make both my kills and votes mostly random, except that I would plan them in such a way that no one could use my own vote-indexing methods against me.

    Turn 1:

    Kommodus Killed: Sigurd Frafnesbane
    Gertgregoor Killed: discovery1

    Sigurd Frafnesbane’s death was a completely random selection. I felt bad about it, since he was new to the game and hadn’t even had a chance to play. Nevertheless, someone had to die, and the random dice-roll chose him. My chosen method of carbon monoxide poisoning didn’t quite come out in the tale that was eventually told. It didn’t matter, though, as this wasn’t a well-thought-out kill.

    Gertgregoor wasted no time in drawing suspicion to himself with his bandwagon-jumping. After Sasaki called him out on a suspicious post, I tried to restrain him and prevent him from getting himself into further trouble. Fortunately, Sasaki’s accusation was lost and forgotten. It was this, and Sasaki’s persistent attempts at detective work, that convinced me he had to die. However, it wasn’t safe to kill him… yet.

    Also, Gertgregoor suggested killing B_Ray and Zalmoxis, saying that either might be the detective. He thought he’d found a pattern in the way GH selected us, and they fit the pattern as well. I agreed and suggested killing B_Ray first while leaving Zalmoxis for later.

    The Banquo’s Ghost bandwagon gathered steam quickly, and I was happy enough to watch it from a distance.

    Executed: Banquo’s Ghost

    Turn 2:

    Kommodus Killed: UltraWar
    Gertgregoor Killed: Zalmoxis

    I decided that the random killing method wasn’t optimal, and selected UltraWar in an attempt to frame Ianofsmeg16. Tricking him into using a poisoned syringe was not completely original – I’ve seen that method used in a different story. It seemed particularly chilling. Meanwhile, Gertgregoor accidentally killed Zalmoxis instead of B_Ray.

    It seems as if Destroyer of Hope is one of those players who are suspected because of their name alone. He always seems to get lynched without any good reason.

    Executed: Destroyer of Hope

    Turn 3:

    Kommodus Killed: Tiberius
    Gertgregoor Killed: Silver Rusher

    It occurred to me at this point to try to make my kills fit into a larger and more continuous story. Using the money stolen from UltraWar, I wrote a tale in which the Mafioso tricked Tiberius into obtaining a key component of an EMP, and then killed him. The original story was a bit different – Tiberius was the bank manager and the Mafioso was posing as a CIA agent, claiming that the mafia would soon hit the bank, and that he wanted to lay a trap for them inside the bank. GH didn’t want to assign Tiberius a job, so he made some changes.

    Gertgregoor and I hadn’t discussed his plan to kill Silver Rusher this turn. I was disappointed when I saw it, as I thought a highly suspected player like Silver should’ve been left alive to draw votes.

    My plan to frame The Spartan, of course, went off far better than I could have imagined. His phony confession (out of spite, I assumed) gave a big boost to the mafia. Gertgregoor and I decided to go with it – after this point, even though he chose his own victims, I wrote the killing methods for both. This gave me even greater creative control, which I welcomed. My stories began to grow even more elaborate.

    Executed: The Spartan

    Turn 4:

    Kommodus Killed: Sasaki Kojiro
    Gertgregoor Killed: B_Ray

    Gertgregoor originally suggested killing B_Ray, then switched to Lemur. I sympathized with Lemur’s predicament (his posts had made me laugh and feel sad at the same time), but the odds were still against us and this was no time for sentimentality. I talked him out of it and suggested he go with his original plan to kill B_Ray. Obviously he did (although I still wrote the Vespa Mandarinia killing method, inspired by Lemur’s request for killer bees).

    Starting with this turn, I began to write my stories word-for-word in the way I wanted them to appear. The General, for the most part, obliged, although he made a few minor changes to B_Ray’s death. After this, I recognized elements he wouldn’t like and left them out of my stories. I think the rest of my kills were left completely intact.

    The kill I used on Sasaki Kojiro had originally been intended for Crazed Rabbit; however, at this point I felt safe enough to kill Sasaki. Almost immediately I regretted leaving several clues in the story’s text. Eclectic/DA immediately suggested going back over what had been said by Sasaki and B_Ray. Would anyone resurrect Sasaki’s accusation of Gertgregoor? Would Sasaki recognize me as his killer?

    Fortunately, suspicion was drawn in other directions (due to some wonderfully helpful detective work by certain people) and Uesugi Kenshin was executed. However, B_Ray did note his suspicion of Gertgregoor. This actually saved Drisos’ life, as we decided to keep him alive a little longer and let him draw suspicion.

    What really surprised me in this round was how sure people were of UK’s guilt. Granted, there were good-sounding points made against him, and some of his defenses were weak, but it’s very hard to be certain of anything in the game of Mafia, especially through psychoanalysis.

    Sasaki also did something more honorable than I would have, and refused to comment on his suspicions after death (not even in the traditional “whispers from the dead” way). Therefore, killing him off was safer than I thought. He actually seems to have partially started a trend; several of our victims thereafter refused to comment any further after death, although some continued to do so (most notably Silver Rusher and Crazed Rabbit).

    Sasaki, your post was hilarious – I’d have given you your two buxom henchwomen, but I was trying to keep the story realistic.

    Executed: Uesugi Kenshin

    Turn 5:

    Kommodus Killed: Divinus Arma
    Gertgregoor Killed: Orb

    I killed DA this turn because he’d outlived his usefulness; besides, I was able to make his death ironic, which was fun. (Yes, his death was inspired by the movie Saw, but I also had to think up Orb’s death.) DA had attempted much detective work, and although it was mostly off-base, no one was suspecting him anymore. Gertgregoor wanted to kill Drisos, but I convinced him that this was a bad idea, and he chose Orb instead. The story I wrote for Orb’s death was the longest to that point, and unfortunately not as interesting as I’d hoped. I intended that the “top-secret code” stolen from Sasaki would be used in arming the EMP.

    Votes were split fairly evenly this turn, but Ignoramus ended up executed. I can’t remember why. This was also the turn in which GH killed off many of the lurkers with his “Divine Wrath” event. That was a help to the mafia, as it meant we had fewer to kill, but it also meant the villagers had fewer suspects.

    Executed: Ignoramus

    Turn 6:

    Kommodus Killed: Ice
    Gertgregoor Killed: Pannonian

    Gertgregoor killed Pannonian, once again because he was a frequent contributor. I was beginning to feel that this strategy would come back to bite us if we kept it up, as I might soon be the only “threat to the mafia” left, which would put me in a highly suspicious position. I felt it was time to make a change, and start killing people who were unsuspected, starting with Ice.

    Also this turn, Silver Rusher posted convincing arguments that Spartan had been lying about being in the mafia. I was surprised the deception had lasted at all; I immediately made a post supporting Silver, since I knew he would be believed.

    As a result of this development, Gertgregoor went back to writing his own kills. We decided there was no point in continuing the deception. Also, with the death of Ice, I finally wrote about the use of the EMP. It actually wasn’t until this point that I chose nanoterrorism as my Mafioso’s ultimate plan, and once I had, the NASA Ames Research Center was a logical choice of target (though I had to research it a bit). I was pleased with how the story turned out.

    The voting began with another rash of voting for Lemur. (He even voted for himself.) I, however, voted for Divine Wind, and soon a DW bandwagon started, with people switching their votes to him. At this point I still felt that a living Lemur would still be useful for drawing votes.

    Executed: Divine Wind

    Turn 7:

    Kommodus Killed: Drisos
    Gertgregoor Killed: Cowhead418

    I originally planned to kill Cowhead418, but Gertgregoor convinced me to let him do the job, and that I should kill Drisos. He had wanted Drisos, who apparently knows him quite well, dead for a long time, but decided it would be too suspicious if the arrivederci-Mafioso killed him.

    My motive for wanting Cowhead418 dead had little to do with the fact that he killed me in game 2. I simply killed him because he was one of the unsuspected players, and I thought he might eventually start accusing me.

    This time I jumped on the bandwagon in voting for Reenk Roink. He didn’t defend himself very well; in fact, during his execution I thought he came close to pulling a “Spartan.” It was, of course, nowhere near as effective as Spartan’s deception. It might’ve helped if GG and I had gone back to me writing both kills, but we didn’t think of it.

    Also this turn, Alexander the Pretty Good was killed under GH’s new anti-lurker policy. He’d missed three turns in a row.

    Executed: Reenk Roink

    Turn 8:

    Kommodus Killed: Peasant Phill
    Gertgregoor Killed: Hiji

    This time, both our kills reflected our strategy of taking out the least-suspected players. Looking back, I’m not sure we made the right choices this time. I told GG he should kill either AggonyDuck, Hiji, or SSNeo; however, I told him that killing AD would probably bring suspicion on himself. He chose Hiji instead. Regardless, he ended up bringing more suspicion on himself than I could have imagined.

    At this point in the game, I felt that we were set to coast to victory. All we had to do was avoid any major mistakes. However, Gertgregoor proved up to the challenge of torpedoing our chances (no offense intended to GG; I made plenty of mistakes as well).

    This turn began with GG getting accused by Dutch_guy, and proceeding to make some extremely suspicious posts. What was worse, he brought up some powerful arguments against me – ideas that, surprisingly, everyone had overlooked before, and that I had hoped would stay buried. I understand his motive for doing this, but I don’t think it was necessary. If it hadn’t been for his carelessness, the blame would’ve easily fallen on Wonderland.

    We decided to try to salvage the situation by portraying ourselves as enemies. I posted a strong anti-Gert message, and he voted for me. I was sure he would go down easily, but for some reason, AggonyDuck fought for him and I thought I saw a chance to save him. Myself, Gert, and our ally AD made for a total of three votes against Wonderland. I thought we were in the clear as I watched the normal 24-hour period run out.

    Sadly, this was not the case. Here’s how the final voting went down (all times are GMT):

    1. At 18:37, the 24-hour mark passed. At this point, the score was 4-1-1 for WL, GG, and EMFM. (At least I’m pretty sure of this, since I think Lemur’s initial vote for GG had been changed to WL at this point. He can correct me if I’m wrong.) I prematurely breathed a huge sigh of relief.

    2. At 18:53, Lemur changed his vote to EMFM by post-edit, making the score 3-1-2 for WL, GG, and EMFM. This went unnoticed for a long time.

    3. At 19:27, WL changed his vote to GG, making the score 3-2-2.

    4. At 19:30, GH posted a message indicating the vote was tied. I noticed Lemur’s vote change, and sent GH a message indicating that the score was not tied. I think GH still thought Lemur’s vote was for GG.

    5. At 22:00, EMFM voted for GG, assuming he was breaking a tie. This made the score 3-3-2.

    6. GH posted WL’s execution under the assumption that Lemur’s vote had gone to WL. After reading my PM, he realized this was not the case and announced a re-vote.

    7. As you know, Gertgregoor was executed in the re-vote. I changed my vote to him, thinking to salvage the original plan to portray myself as his enemy.

    I felt that the mafia had caught a bad break this turn due to the voting anomalies. Nevertheless, I had no choice now but to proceed alone. I found myself wishing I had simply stuck to my guns and maintained my vote for GG the entire time.

    Executed: Gertgregoor

    Turn 9:

    Kommodus Killed: Crazed Rabbit, SSNeoperestroika

    Finally we get to the turn in which I spectacularly lost the game with some bone-headed maneuvering worthy of the Mafia Hall of Shame.

    I decided on a change of plans; instead of letting everyone know that GG was a Mafioso and using his accusation of me as an alibi, I would write one of the kills in his style. There were two reasons for this:

    1. Since I’d switched my vote to Wonderland, my alibi as GG’s enemy was damaged.

    2. If it became too obvious that GG was guilty, then the people who had supported his execution all along would be the ones to look most innocent. That included Lemur and Wonderland – people who I wanted to appear as prime suspects. If this happened, the process of elimination would target me.

    I had to look up some information on Persian culture, and make use of an online English-to-Persian translator, to write what I thought was a convincing GG-kill. Unfortunately, GG had one more monkey-wrench to throw into my plans (unintentionally). On Saturday morning, I notified him of the change of plans. However, he had apparently already asked GH to include the message “at least I died for a better cause” in his execution. By Saturday evening, when GH posted the execution, GG still hadn’t logged in and seen my message; as a result, his statement was included in the execution, making it clear he was guilty. Even after this, the game was not lost yet; I had a lot more blundering to do.

    I sent my kills to GH early, and my decision to kill Crazed Rabbit was probably ill-thought. He was previously leaning heavily towards Lemur. The problem was that by the time he posted this, I had already sent my kills in. If I’d have been thinking, I’d have sent a hasty message off to GH to change the target (probably to AggonyDuck or EMFM).

    Also during this turn, I asked GH how he would handle the endgame scenario if I was left alive with one remaining villager. He originally said he’d let the dead vote. I didn’t like this and asked for a double execution instead. In the end, the General was even more generous than I asked; he announced that if I survived the round, I would be allowed to kill the remaining three villagers. Unfortunately even this generosity wasn’t enough, as I proceeded to shoot myself in the foot.

    I saw AggonyDuck’s post announcing he had a new suspect; immediately I knew it was me. “Uh oh,” I thought, “This isn’t good. If he names me I’m history.” I actually PM’d him under the guise of doing an experiment to verify Crazed Rabbit’s analysis of EMFM’s innocence. I hoped this would convince him of my innocence. Apparently it didn’t work; in fact, it may have solidified AD’s opinion of me.

    Perhaps if I’d simply been quiet and let the people lynch Lemur, all would have been well. However, I made a post defending EMFM using the results of my experiment with AD. I was attempting to appear helpful, but Crazed Rabbit pointed it out as appearing to wait for a bandwagon to jump on. However, I think it was really AD who sealed my fate, making an unexpected switch and voting for me instead of Lemur or Wonderland. He had no evidence for doing so, but that was the point – I’d been too careful in my strategy. I had positioned myself almost perfectly to deceive everyone else and deflect all suspicion away from me. AD was the first to realize this, and his decision to vote for me was a stroke of inspiration.

    After that, Lemur voted for me (which was a given), and EMFM was apparently convinced by the arguments of Crazed Rabbit and AggonyDuck. Thus the game ended. Congratulations to the successful villagers!

    Executed: Kommodus

    Game Outcome

    On one hand, I lasted a lot longer than I thought I would, and it was a hard-fought game. On that level, I’m satisfied. On the other hand, we squandered a great chance at victory, both through what I perceived as Gertgregoor’s carelessness and my erroneous endgame strategies. On that level I’m disappointed.

    As you know, I was writing a story which progressed with each kill. I had plans for the ending of it, which I will now never write. It involved unleashing a targeted nanobot plague on humanity (not all humanity, but specific individuals and groups). My Mafioso's plan was not actually to bring an end to the world - in a sick way he really was trying to "save" humanity from itself. I did my best to portray him as a dangerous, psychotic villain, with a warped and twisted philosophy that could make sense within a dark and cynical worldview.

    The practical results of this game, of course, are that I’ll never be viewed the same way in a game of mafia here again. I’ve become known as a danger to the mafia and a danger to the villagers. Most games in the near future will probably see me slaughtered by the mafia early on (as in Sasaki’s game) or lynched by the villagers.

    In addition, I think I devoted a bit too much time and thought to this game. It wasn’t a problem early on, when I thought we had little chance; but as the game progressed and victory became possible, I got a little caught up in the strategy. In the end, I found that I didn’t really like lying. When I was successful I frightened myself, and when I was unsuccessful I felt like a blunderer. I couldn’t help but feel a little guilty. For these reasons, I’m quite relieved that the game is finally over, and I’ve decided to take a step back from mafia games for a time.

    Earlier in this game, when the General announced his wish to actually play in a game of mafia, I volunteered to administer one. I’ve actually played several games of mafia in real life, and found myself to be terrible at it, especially when it comes to being a Mafioso. I’m usually a lousy liar in real life, and people have no trouble discerning the changes in my behavior. However, I’ve found myself to be a creative and humorous narrator for the games, so I usually go for that role. Of course, there are still a couple of games going on right now, so I have no intention of starting a new one for quite some time.

    I’d like to end with one final comment. Like Lemur in game 2, my views and behavior in this game have no connection to the way I am in real life. I avoid dishonesty, and have a pretty positive outlook on life. You’d probably like me if you knew me. If some of my kills seemed brutal and my lies diabolical, remember that I was writing a story, playing a game, and acting very unlike myself. I harbor no malice towards anyone I “killed,” nor towards those who ended my life.

    Again, congratulations to the villagers, and especially to Crazed Rabbit and AggonyDuck, the ones who saw through my deception. This is a hard game for the mafia.
    Last edited by Kommodus; 09-05-2006 at 14:31.
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    I must say, Kommodus, you did a bang up job. The most suspicion I had of you was "Well if he was mafia we'd have no way of knowing because he's acting the same as in the last game".

    Good game everyone, and General that first post was evil, lol.

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    As the game is now over I am lifting my self-imposed ban of posting.
    It was truly an enjoyable game for one who is watching.
    Sometimes I really wanted to participate and during the last phases of the game I suspected you Kommodus together with AggonyDuck for orchestrating a great symphony making the living dance to your tunes. I was actually chuckling reading what I thought was play for the galleries in the thread and in the chat room…
    In reality it was only half the truth.


    Well done!



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    I'm great at blundering. And yes I also behaved a lot different then in the real life. If it was real I probably would have done some more thinking

    Meh.

    Oh well quite a nice game, tough I regret the fact that GH didn't allow me to kill people by dropping whales ontop of them from out an aeroplane. (At the beginning I wanted to do verry bizarre deaths, but that probably would have ben to obvious.)

    It's all DG's fault! He's really good, frightening almost...Tough most of his reasons were wrong or not true he again found a mafioso.

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    I kinda liked the first version, where I run off to my evil space lair. Heh, GH, you really had me freaked for a minute while I read that. A part of me was saying, "Hey, he can't make me into the mafia at the very end! What about the real mafia? Won't they be upset?"

    Very funny, very well done. And a very well played game for all, especially our diligent mafia boys. It's a very different game when you're the mafia, isn't it?

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    I'd say... Well done, Kommodus. you were the last one I expected to be the mafia..

    so it wasn't Lemur after all.. bad and he's still alive as well...

    this one was !very! intresting.. I'll surely keep playing mafia games
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    Oh my god....I actually got something right! Thank you instincts!

    I saw AggonyDuck’s post announcing he had a new suspect; immediately I knew it was me. “Uh oh,” I thought, “This isn’t good. If he names me I’m history.” I actually PM’d him under the guise of doing an experiment to verify Crazed Rabbit’s analysis of EMFM’s innocence. I hoped this would convince him of my innocence. Apparently it didn’t work; in fact, it may have solidified AD’s opinion of me.
    Your PM actually made me doubt for a while and my logic was saying that you were innocent. But luckily I went with my instincts.

    Either way the real saviour here is Crazed Rabbit. He really brought my suspicions on you Kommodus, because everyone we were trying to go after was innocent according to him. But even then I was still doubting my suspicions.

    Also I am horribly ashamed of my attempts to protect Gertgregoor. Teaches me not to trust what people say, especially when I ask them to say it to me....

    Anyways it was damned well played by the Mafia, you had me chasing windmills to the end.
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    Yeeeeessssss!!!!!!!!!

    In death, I managed to help save the village!

    A note to Kommodus about my suspicion of Lemur near the end:
    I was just faking any suspicion towards him, as I knew the real mafia was either you or AggonyDuck, and I hoped that you guys wouldn't kill me off. Almost succeded as it turns out.

    On an unhappy note, I must be the unluckiest detective ever. Not once did I find a mafia. But the villagers won! Hurray! And all those who trusted me (and voted for B's Ghost) can now rest easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AggonyDuck
    Also I am horribly ashamed of my attempts to protect Gertgregoor. Teaches me not to trust what people say, especially when I ask them to say it to me....
    .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gertgregoor
    The chatroom is the mafia's strongest weapon. Never forget that. There's nowhere you can convince people then over there.
    You abused my belief in the integrity of people.

    But luckily my not so naive fellow villagers got you. Thank you all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AggonyDuck
    my belief in the integrity of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur
    Very funny, very well done. And a very well played game for all, especially our diligent mafia boys. It's a very different game when you're the mafia, isn't it?
    Sure is. Gah. I'd rather be a villager. Although the story-writing part was fun.

    Quote Originally Posted by AggonyDuck
    Your PM actually made me doubt for a while and my logic was saying that you were innocent. But luckily I went with my instincts.
    Well, I guess there's not much I could've done about that. Although most of the time people's instincts helped us in this game.

    BTW, when I told you I had scarcely written since college (except code and technical documentation), I was afraid that would be exposed as false, as I do have an old story here in the Mead Hall. Apparently no one could find it. The part about me not being artistic was also a bold-faced lie. Sorry.

    Anyway, you should keep believing the best about people. However, when you're playing a game in which the whole point is to "deceive, inveigle, and obfuscate", it's a completely different matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
    I was just faking any suspicion towards him, as I knew the real mafia was either you or AggonyDuck, and I hoped that you guys wouldn't kill me off. Almost succeded as it turns out.
    You know, I figured this was true as soon as I found out you were the detective. My commentary is written from an in-game perspective. As the number of villagers dwindled, I became convinced we had knocked off the detective much earlier.

    It certainly makes me feel better, though, to know that you were the detective. I don't feel quite so bad about my endgame blunders. Although, perhaps if I'd killed you instead of Sasaki (as I originally intended), the game might've turned out differently.
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    A round of applause for Kommodus and Gert, everyone!

    Guys, I must say, that was some of the best mafiosery I have ever seen. You guys had me completely convinced! You're right, Gert, the chatroom was what did it for you, but it didn't stop me or Orb from dying in Gotta have more mafia . I hope, but am doubtful, that the mafia in my game will be this brilliant.

    Another round of applause for the villagers who saved the shattered remains of the frontroom!

    You guys really were hanging by a thread. In fact, in that last round with 5 remaining and 1 in the mafia, you had a 1 in 5 chance of picking them out, and you did it! I don't think this was luck, though. You picked up on Kommodus' slight, barely noticeable mistakes and it allowed you to survive to the end.

    And last but not most definitely not least, a round of applause for GeneralHankerchief!

    GH, what can I say? You have taken this party game and turned it into a tremendously fun, superbly tactical and investigative and most of all captivating thread of genius which is sure to leave a legacy upon the frontroom. This game in particular was by far the best so far. Full of uncertainty, terror and everyone at eachothers neck with arguments, some of which seem pathetic looking back on the game (my arguments in particular actually, except for the one about The Spartan). I don't think I can hope to be as good a host for these games as you ever were.

    As I look back on this game, I feel horribly embarrassed about many of the arguments that I have made. Not only that, but also (thanks to that cursed chatroom) I defended both of the mafia after making spot-on accusations of them! (in the case of Kommodus it was more in connection to Reenk Roink though)

    Boo me! Throw tomatoes at Silver Rusher! He was constantly posting after his death, but he only made one single useful contribution (and I must admit, there is a lot of shame surrounding my allegations of The Spartan's innocence but I will not reveal how).
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    I can't believe the people here are at each other throats. That' why I just sit back and sip my cup of tea... until my dear "God" struck me down. At least I'm in heaven....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kommodus
    You know, I figured this was true as soon as I found out you were the detective. My commentary is written from an in-game perspective. As the number of villagers dwindled, I became convinced we had knocked off the detective much earlier.

    It certainly makes me feel better, though, to know that you were the detective. I don't feel quite so bad about my endgame blunders. Although, perhaps if I'd killed you instead of Sasaki (as I originally intended), the game might've turned out differently.
    I know. I was almost completely offline while it took the college techies a whole week to fix my computer and get it running on the network here.

    You were masterful as a mafia, though. My last investigation was of AggonyDuck, he came out as innocent, so I knew it was you. Before that I didn't know if it was you or him. I think you would have a much better chance had I been killed earlier. EMFM might have been bandwagoned, my detection results would have yielded only a few innocent, largely now dead, villagers, etc.

    Unfortunately, you killed me off (in a very brutal way I must say ) but I refused to go quietly, as it were. I was afraid that my defending of half the village the earlier round would make me a target, but I figured that by that time I needed to do something to help save the village. I was not certain gert was guilty, but he was the prime suspect (and you actually were next on my spreadsheet, but I didn't investigate you). I think my defense of EMFM and Wonderland helped in the final round. I was able to use the trust I gained to try and persuade them to go after you.

    Also, I was surprised people trusted me on EMFM so easily. I didn't have any concrete proof, just my word, as it were, which turned out to be enough.

    As a side note, during these last few rounds, I sent several PMs to people (I did not reveal myself as detective) to persuade them, and I think this helped. It certainly did with Silver Rusher, who went from declaring victory at the immenent death of Wonderland to not accusing anyone. You did a good job picking apart The Spartan's lies, but I will admit some frustration when you went after people I knew to be innocent.

    After I saw Wonderland's execution, I was very frustrated. Had he died, there would be no chance for villager victory. Luckily, GH exercised his heavenly powers and saved him, and everyone went for gert, which was much different than what I thought might happen.

    I like to think I was somewhat useful as detective, and that my end game blitz at Kommodus helped.

    Three cheers for a great game and GH!

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    btw CR, who did you investigate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
    Unfortunately, you killed me off (in a very brutal way I must say )
    Yeah, I apologize for this. That was my attempt to replicate a Gertgregoor-style kill. Since I really don't know much about ancient history, I did a search on Wikipedia for "ancient weapons." Looking through the short list of mostly-mundane items, I happened to click on "katar," and the rest was history. (Although I still had to look up Persian culture to find out about the Chinvat Peretum, and use an English-to-Persian translator to find suitable words in Persian.) Even the cigarette at the end was a GG-inspired detail, as I don't smoke.

    EDIT: I don't think anything was more brutal than what I did to poor Sasaki. Tortured with a blowtorch - ugh! And then there was B_Ray: from what I've read, stings from Asian giant hornets are excruciating! That just gives me the shivers. My mafioso was a twisted, heartless villain!
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    Great game guys! While my Villager tactics were destroyed by the Wrath of Gods .I really enjoyed watching this game. My tactics was to keep silent and study what others were doing in order to reveal the Mafia. But i kept my silence for so long that, instead keeping myself alive long enough i was struck down by the Gods. In next game i need a new approach.Cant wait for another one to start.Great job guys!
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    My commentary/writeup. It's long, and some of it overlaps, but it's informative.

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Session 0

    Mafia: Kommodus and Gertgregoor
    Detective: Crazed Rabbit

    I laughed when I picked the mafia out of a hat. First of all we had Kommodus – a mafia veteran and one of the heroes of the Frontroom in the last game. Then we had Gertgregoor – A newbie to the game who, judging by a couple of posts in the Talk Your Own Language Thread, really wanted to outlast Drisos. Immediately the opposites showed themselves, with Gert PMing me several questions on how the game was run/how he was to send his kills and Kommodus getting right into the flow of things, giving me his first kill, story already pretty much written out.

    The mafia’s opposite in this game was Crazed Rabbit, who had played in the other two games with mixed results. I wondered if he would be as successful as Tiberius, the Detective in Game II.

    All in all I really liked the cast, although a couple of notable vets were missing. Dutch_guy was away, and Craterus had left the Org at that time. Oh well, I still knew that this would be an exciting game.


    Session 1

    Kommodus kills Sigurd Fafnesbane Gert kills discovery1
    Crazed Rabbit investigates Ignoramus

    Poor Sigurd. This was the first time I really didn’t want to see somebody else killed – I hate having a newbie come to play only to die in the first round.

    I was mildly surprised when Gert told me that “arrivederci” was to be a recurring theme. On one hand, there was a possibility that somebody might figure out who was behind it. But on the other hand, I realized that the mafia could manipulate its presence/lack thereof to their advantage. Btw, I had to look the spelling of that word up in order to make sure that I got it right.

    Once again I watched and chuckled to myself as the villagers stumbled all over themselves in executing Banquo’s Ghost. Guys, with the first execution it’s a good bet that you’ll lynch an innocent. So don’t kid yourself – the only purpose for the first execution is to keep the game moving on.

    One last note: I realized that Kommodus was already outsmarting his spreadsheet by voting for a non-bandwagon candidate.

    Executed: Banquo’s Ghost


    Session 2

    Kommodus kills UltraWar Gert kills Zalmoxis
    Crazed Rabbit investigates The Spartan

    This marked the beginning of two recurring themes: Kommodus starting his master plan and Gert killing somebody with an ancient, exotic weapon.

    Really nothing that happened here was too special. DoH got a ton of votes, but had not posted since saying that he wanted to play. As a matter of fact, that was his only post in the game.

    Finally, four people were really standing out as good villagers who tried to find the mafia: Sasaki Kojiro, Divinus Arma/Eclectic, B_Ray, and Pannonian. They had done this in a variety of ways; openly suspecting people and challenging them on their posts, and asking me questions on how I ran things/rules of the game.

    Oh yeah, and this is the point where Lemur said he wanted to die an interesting death. The suspicions begin anew…

    Executed: Destroyer of Hope


    Session 3

    Kommodus kills Tiberius Gert kills Silver Rusher
    Crazed Rabbit investigates Pannonian

    (Note: I wrote this section WAY before anything else so a lot of the information is probably known already)

    Here you go SR, your original way of dying before I made Gert change it:

    Quote Originally Posted by Gertgregoor PM
    I'll kill Silver rusher. By dropping a whale on him from out my aeroplane. Then I'll write in smoke letters i the sky the infamous word.
    Note that how later on during Hiji’s death there was a “whale blocking Tosa Ave.”

    Things got really interesting here. First of all, Gert killed Silver Rusher, who was under a lot of suspicion during the time. It only got weirder from there. Due to Tiberius’ after-death note, suspicion immediately fell under The Spartan. He tried in vain to turn the execution to Csar.

    Facing almost certain execution, Spartan pulled perhaps the weirdest move ever in a Mafia game: He “admitted” that he was a mafioso.

    I have no idea why he did this; this is his explanation.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Spartan PM
    this will either one, mess up the mafia, or two confuse the villagers. i hope the mafia mess up.
    Don’t ask me how it would do this. My personal opinion at the time was that he would give the mafia the same effect that Sasaki gave the Detective the last game – carte blanche. The mafia shared my sentiments. Immediately Gert PM’d me to say “no more arrivederci” (If you recall, Spartan confessed to all the “arrivederci” deaths). In any case, there was instant rejoicing, mixed with some confusion, plus a little suspicion.

    A smart villager could put the pieces together and discover that Spartan was not a mafioso. First of all, the “PM” that he posted pretending it was from me. In it, he forgot to type the word “mafia.” Also, as any present or past mafioso would tell you, I do not list the titles of the thread or put a balloon in my PM. Next, I explicitly put in the PM that you are not allowed to reveal your identity until the game is finished. This was stated publicly by me as well as picked up on by Orb and a few others. Finally, I try to make it so it’s the “good of the team” over the individual’s result. Those would give the past mafia an advantage in determining Spartan’s innocence.

    Anybody else could see where I posted that the mafia was not allowed to reveal themselves, too. Finally, I put in a hint in the execution scene.

    Quote Originally Posted by General Hankerchief
    Beirut looked him in the eyes for a moment, then shrugged.
    Not exactly what you would do to a true mafioso, would it?

    In any event, Crazed Rabbit would have a fun time convincing everybody that Spartan was innocent when it was time to reveal. Unless of course, other people figured it out.

    Executed: The Spartan


    Session 4

    Kommodus kills Sasaki Kojiro Gert kills B_Ray
    Crazed Rabbit investigates Alexander the Pretty Good

    Ah, the aftermath of The Spartan’s “confession” started immediately. I knew right away when Gert PM’d me his kill that Kommodus wrote it. After all, go back and check the kill (which is pretty much in the form that it was sent to me) as compared to one of Gert’s previous PM’s:

    Quote Originally Posted by Gertgregoor PM
    I want to kill Zalmoxis this time.
    hmmm let me think.
    He will be killed using a falx after I lured him in to a small room using a pretty girl. (you'll make something up?)
    before he dies I say: Now Zalmoxis yu can actually see if the soul is immortal or not. (cf the thracians' Zalmoxis.)
    As I wakl out the room I light up a sigaret and say the famous words.
    I’m not making fun of the guy; he’s not a native English speaker. Just pointing out the differences. And in case you’re wondering why I don’t put up an example of Kommodus’, all his later kills were just copy & pasted into the thread.

    Thanks to a bit of detective work by the two remaining members of the Fantastic Four, as well as a terrible job of defending himself, Uesugi Kenshin was executed in a landslide. I remember some people thinking that the game was over. Heh. How wrong they were.

    Executed: Uesugi Kenshin


    Session 5

    Kommodus kills Divinus Arma Gert kills Orb
    Crazed Rabbit investigates SSNeoperestroika

    First of all, the roles were switched up a bit. A few rounds earlier Kommodus told me that he had a “hilarious” death for DA planned, but said it didn’t fit with the main story. So this time he had Gert kill Orb with the latest part in the plan while he Jigsawed DA to death.

    There were two bits of irony in this: First of all, DA died laughing, signifying that UK was innocent. Second, Kommodus’ title of Airplane-mafioso came from Orb’s kill, although technically Gert was the one who killed Orb.

    Meanwhile, I realized what the mafia was doing – killing off the Fantastic Four. In doing so, the main posters in the game were gone, leaving me with the danger that the game might end with a thud. Kommodus PM’d me to apologize for doing it and Pannonian PM’d the other members of the Fantastic Four/me tossing suggestions back and forth on what to do. I finally decided on a drastic move, but one that might save the game. Plus, I got to feed my ego a bit.

    During the execution (which was Ignoramus), I, in the form of God, killed six lurkers in a move that would come to be known as the Wrath of God. Five of them were from Pannonian’s list of inactive players plus Ianofsmeg16, who PM’d me earlier requesting to be suicided. Out of the list, Hiji and Alexander the Pretty Good were spared, mainly because I didn’t want the game to end too quickly.

    IMHO this saved the game, as all of a sudden there was a spur of activity. I have no idea why…

    Executed: Ignoramus


    Session 6

    Kommodus kills Ice Gert kills Pannonian
    Crazed Rabbit investigates Peasant Phill

    Well, “arrivederci” was back on. Thanks to Silver Rusher’s post back in the last session about Spartan’s innocence(which I confirmed to him in the chat after he posted it – or maybe it was before, but he had already told me his suspicions, I can’t remember), people had started to realize the truth and Gert went back to writing his own kills.

    At this point, for whatever reason, people started gunning for the much-maligned Lemur again. I kind of felt sorry for the poor guy because the mafia was obviously leaving him hanging, but mostly I was amused. Silver went 0-for-2 in his thoughts on Lemur’s role. It was looking bad, but Lemur fought his way out of a huge hole and started posting very sarcastic, defeatist responses. Somehow, this had worked and the lynch went to Divine Wind and his bizarre Snowman of Death.

    Also around this time Dutch_guy, who wasn’t even playing, once again proved his freakish accuracy with Gert, the first time either of the mafia I think was seriously accused. Guys, listen to him. He knows what he’s doing.

    Once DW got the axe I received a couple of predictions. The first one, from Sasaki, was PM’d to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro PM
    Lemur and Crazed Rabbit for Mafia.

    AggonyDuck for detective.
    Silver, on another forum thought it was Kommodus and Reenk Roink, but this probably changed several times.

    My private prediction at this point that it would be a sure mafia victory, if not a Total mafia victory. Crazed Rabbit was still alive but extremely unlucky; his information was pretty much worthless at this point. The mafia had a couple more rounds to survive, but really I thought they had it in the bag at this point.

    Executed: Divine Wind


    Session 7

    Kommodus kills Drisos Gert kills Cowhead418
    Crazed Rabbit investigates Drisos

    At this point in the game I was waiting for Rabbit’s name to come up on the kill list. Especially after the fact that he had investigated Drisos, Rabbit just seemed fated to be unlucky. But he survived for another round.

    After the Wrath of God, there really weren’t this many people left in the game, so I believe that everybody was accused at some point in this round (except, oddly enough, Rabbit – I wondered why the mafia didn’t take him out).

    Apparently Reenk Roink’s list had angered enough people in order to execute him, though, and the mafia survived another round. One more round and they would clinch victory. I was just wondering whether they would manage a Total Victory or just a plain victory.

    At this point they would need to totally collapse in order to let the villagers win.

    Executed: Reenk Roink


    Session 8

    Kommodus kills Peasant Phill Gert kills Hiji
    Crazed Rabbit investigates Wonderland

    Rabbit survived another bullet, although once again he didn’t get what he was looking for. He was now 0-for-8 in investigations, although later on this one would actually be helpful.

    I think it was around here that AggonyDuck took up the role of the long-departed Fantastic Four. His sensible posts combined with Gert’s posting while drunk (NEVER a good idea) drew some heavy suspicion on him. The fact that he was accusing Kommodus and bringing up some pretty good points forced Kommodus to do some damage control and vote for Gert.

    I couldn’t believe it. They were so close to winning. It’s like they were a champion racehorse that was way out in front, but broke its leg right before the finish line.

    Still, they had a chance. Suspicion eventually went to Wonderland and Evil_Maniac_From_Mars, and the two retracted their votes for each other (Personally Kommodus, there was so much vote-changing in that round I don’t think your enemy as Gert’s enemy was damaged). Then came the vote-tallying fiasco.

    I still don’t know the exact order of events, and probably never will, no matter how many times anyone tries to explain it to me. All I know is that first I overlooked Lemur’s edit, and then forgot to include Crazed Rabbit’s vote in the tally. I realized that I had wrongfully executed Wonderland – on his birthday, no less!

    So after a little bit of divine intervention, I called a re-vote. It might have been a little unfair to the mafia but really, it was the only thing to do. Gert picked up a couple more votes and Kommodus, sensing defeat, went with the bandwagon.

    Okay, so he lost his partner, but he could still pull himself through, right?

    Executed: Gertgregoor


    Session 9
    Kommodus kills Crazed Rabbit and SSNeoperestroika
    Crazed Rabbit investigates AggonyDuck

    Rabbit was pretty much desperate at this time. First of all, he asked me flat-out how many mafiosi were remaining. I told him I couldn’t tell him, and waited for his investigation (Kommodus had sent his kills at this point).

    A few hours later, he sent it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit PM
    Goodnesss, I've got the very worst luck. Luckily, I only have three suspects.

    I pick AggonyDuck.

    Please, let me be right.

    Crazed Rabbit
    After sending my response (“Sorry. ”), I waited for Rabbit to receive it. I would give him one chance to reveal himself; to post what he knew. I watched his user profile as he got the PM, checked the thread, and logged off. He didn’t reveal himself, so I posted the death of the Detective. Apparently he had made some friends by defending his known innocents, so his influence wasn’t completely gone.

    At the same time, Kommodus was asking me how the game would end if he survived this round – after he killed, there would only be two people left. We threw a couple of ideas of things I had done in Mafia I back and forth, but as a sort-of “make up” to the mafia for allowing a re-vote as well as out of a desire to finish this, I decided to just let him kill all three.

    I realized this wouldn’t be very fair to the villagers without warning them, though, so I posted that announcement. At that point they were hemming and hawing, but had nothing concrete.

    At this point, I think a terrible indecision came over Kommodus that ultimately doomed him. He had voted for Gert, but switched it, but switched back to Gert, making it appear to me that he was going with the “Gert’s a mafioso, I went against him” approach. But then looking at his kills he decided not to go with that approach, making it seem to me that he wasn’t sure how to finish up. K, you played it great all the way through but I think if you were a bit more decisive at the end you would have won.

    Despite everything that had gone wrong the previous two rounds, Kommodus still had an extremely good chance of winning – after all, there was only a one-in-five chance of him being executed. Even when AggonyDuck posted a pretty good reason for getting him, it still seemed hopeless for the villagers, until K voted for good ol’ Lemur. That meant that Lemur, facing execution, really had no choice but to vote for Kommodus. That left it 2-2, with the fate of the game in the hands of Evil_Maniac_From_Mars.

    EMFM gave no reason for voting Kommodus, he only put in a knight smiley in his post. I guess it was his trust in Rabbit for defending him that won the day. Amazed at the turnaround, I posted the final execution.

    Executed: Kommodus


    Game end

    Instantly after Kommodus’ execution people were doomsaying about the fact that Lemur was still alive – surely he was the mafia, the Frontroom was gone. Laughing at this, I typed up a fake execution where Lemur was the mafia and he infested the world with robotic little lemurs while he lived with the people from the Babe Thread in space. Just a humorous, shocking ending before the real execution was posted. I hope it got at least one person.

    That still left K’s plot to be resolved, though. I thought it was a waste of a good story just to have all those nanites lying in stasis forever so I had Beirut play secret agent and blow up the factory. My goal was to provide a satisfying ending while leaving you guys in suspense for as long as I could. I was pretty happy with the result.

    Guys, thanks for playing and being involved in Mafia. It really makes my day when I log on and see that somebody’s been accused with “evidence” and that person is vigorously defending himself, etc. I hope you’ll continue to play further along and I apologize to all those in the chat who don’t feel like talking about the game but are forced to listen to people going back and forth about innocence.

    That about does it for Mafia III. Soon I’ll be playing Silver Rusher’s game and hopefully survive longer than three rounds. Look for Mafia IV when Sasaki’s finishes up. Thanks for playing!
    "I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
    "Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
    "I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
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    At times I read back my own posts [...]. It's not always clear at first glance.


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    I investigated:
    Ignoramus
    Peasant Phill
    Drisos
    Alexander the Pretty Good
    Wonderland
    SSNeoperestroika
    AggonyDuck
    Pannonian
    The Spartan
    - I investigated him before the round where he got executed, so I was surprised he 'confessed' but I couldn't prove he was lying then. Luckily, others did it for me.

    And maybe another that I forgot. Also, using my PM time analysis, I thought another 10 or so people were innocent, but 5 of them got purged in the wrath o' GH.

    And Kommodus, I think yours was the only kill-in all the mafia games-that actually made me a bit queasy. Of course, it didn't help that it was happening to poor old me. But I would have preferred another steamroller.

    Crazed Rabbit
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    Thank you all for a wonderful game. I have a both died first and survived the whole game now.
    Friendship, Fun & Honour!

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    -Frederick the Great

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    For some reason, I usually tend to survive to almost the last round, then get killed by the mafia.

    To GH- after I had been killed, and I saw EMFM's post where he was leaning towards Wonderland, I PM'ed him, urging him to vote Kommodus.

    Crazed Rabbit
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    The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail; its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storm may enter; the rain may enter; but the King of England cannot enter – all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement! - William Pitt the Elder

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    Can someone explain the Chinese characters from earlier in the game? They eventually changed to Guandao, but previously (before GH changed them) they were Heji and Jeijian (au revoir), alluding to Hiji and arrivederci.

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    Jeez, I forgot how short most of my kills were tough at the end I finally did some writing lol. too bad GH removed some of my references and chinese, but well that didn't matter much. I was a bit surprised about the reasons people suspected me. For example being involved with EB, never did history stuff for EB, I bet I'm the one who knows the least of history of the whole EB team. And I tought that poeple really wouldn't think about me if it involved history. As at the frontroom I guess I'm more known for talking dutch, liking pie, spamming a bit, laughing with canadians, dutch and chinese and nonsense...
    I believe I did left some clues in some of my murders and stuff that might point at me. Or other stuff but they usually weren't even noticed or ignored. (Nobody did the effort to really examine them it seems.) Tough my first kills were quite vague and short my latter ones most were written out a quite a lot. They were edited alot by GH tough. (grammar spelling, odd sentences, better storry telling...). But oh well I guess I gave it all away at the end so...

    One last thing tough, I haven't been drunk. I've posted this before but I would never go online while being drunk. After already making some apparantly suspicious post (the misunderstanding of investigeting only made it worse) I decided to give it one more go and try to convince people. First I convinced them I was drunk. Making them less suspicious. And then I convinced them off my innocence in the chat. Sorry for this Agonny but it's just a game, a dirty game. To bad Silver Rusher was dead or I might have made it. I almost survived the round which would make a victory mathematically certain. But well that re-vote killed me. And well I had lost all hope as I figured I pointed a bit to much at kommodus. (Wanted him to look innocent in case I was about to die. But after miscommunication, revoting and vote swapping this had lost it's affect) Therefore those arguments only made Kommodos more suspicious.

    One last thing tough the reason I killed Silver was because he requested a goofy death. And I did came up with one bizarre ne as GH told you. Tough I wasn't sure if it was a good idea or not as I'm known to be a bit bizarre. I did still make a reference tough. (a lot later but I made it.)

    Btw: GH, no offence taken, me english is bad, known fact.

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