Netherworld Mafia [Concluded]

[GeneralHankerchief]

All right, I'm inclined to let Kommodus off the hook as well as TinCow (for this round) on the condition that he does exactly what the town says. So far this seems to be the case, so:

Unvote: TinCow
Vote: Caius

Also, I believe that Proletariat and Drisos should be resurrected. Clean up your own mess.

[Kommodus]

Also, I believe that Proletariat and Drisos should be resurrected. Clean up your own mess.

I would rather he resurrect people whose innocence we can be nearly certain of. Remember that kamikhaan is the sole writer of the kill descriptions in this game, and I believe he's providing limited clues in them. For example, those who are killed while guarding a cell are almost certainly innocent, which is why I picked Ichigo and gibsong.

[Drisos]

I'd love to have my voting ability back! But, we're not sure on how the resurrection stuff works..

I PM'ed Kami on it. no reply yet..

If ressurection somehow proves my innocence I'd like to nominate myself, if not, take mafia victims.. (though, what Sasaki said is logical too, 1 non-mafia-victim, because it could still be that TC is mafia and resurrecting=recruiting)

[GeneralHankerchief]

According to TinCow's claim, the people he resurrects lose all of their previous powers. Presumably, this would include their power to kill people at night. Thus, no harm done by resurrecting those he already killed.

[gibsonsg91921]

I have no powers either. I'm not a valuable asset though - if you resurrect me you'll be disappointed with my inability to contribute.

[woad&fangs]

If the resurrected lose their previous powers... What would happen if he resurrected a mafioso???

[gibsonsg91921]

Are there dead mafiosi, though?

[Andres]

Resurrecting is not necessarily pro-town. The resurrected players may well be mafia puppets.

TinCow should be lynched.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I think you're acting very strangely, Andres. You're throwing around your vote like it was a hot potato on various people, demanding information than switching to someone else minutes later.

unvote: Kommodus
vote: Andres

Why should we lynch Tincow without giving him a chance to prove that he' who he says he is by resurrecting two people tonight?

CR

[Proletariat]

TinCow should live at least one more night, as the town's slave. If we don't get the two resurrected he says, well yeah, he's gotta go. But let's not make the oft-repeated mistake of killing a powerful protown role right before it can be easily proven one way or the other (re, Crazed Rabbit, Capo2).

[Sigurd]

According to TinCow's claim, the people he resurrects lose all of their previous powers. Presumably, this would include their power to kill people at night. Thus, no harm done by resurrecting those he already killed.

If TinCow truly is the vigilante we should assume that all other kills were made by the mafia.
Hence it would be stupid to resurrect those he killed as they could be potentially dead mafia. Yes they might have lost their ability to kill, but they will still be mafia. They know who the other mafia is and will join in the effort to win by voting pro-mafia.

As to my resurrection; no I have no clue as to why or by whom. I have had no pms from either my rescuer or Kamikhaan.
I would however want an explanation in pm form from the necromancer. Why did you resurrect me?
And why haven’t TinCow & Co contacted me? TinCow claims to be pro-town so he knew that I was killed by the mafia. He knows that by resurrecting any role that I might have had is wiped clean. But since I was a townie from the onset, I had nothing to lose.
Yet I have not been invited to the pro-town party. This is not sitting well with me and I think there are scummy things going on in plain sight.
Where are the 2 detectives? Have they contacted Tincow?

This could all be a ploy by the mafia to gather all the pro-town roles into a trap at the expense of one mafia, this mafia could be TinCow.
TinCow said he is in contact with a role blocker a townie and another role which is weird… In addition we have our two doctors and pever who claim to have a powerful pro-town role.
This adds up to 6 pro-town roles not counting the 2 detectives and the necromancer. Is this not a tad too much against 3 Mafiosi?

I shall wait and see what happens this night before acting against this so-called pro-town group. Oh, and resurrect Sasaki for Beelzebub's sake.



for now:

Vote: pevergreen

[Andres]

I think you're acting very strangely, Andres. You're throwing around your vote like it was a hot potato on various people, demanding information than switching to someone else minutes later.

unvote: Kommodus
vote: Andres

Why should we lynch Tincow without giving him a chance to prove that he' who he says he is by resurrecting two people tonight?

CR

TinCow's behaviour has been suspicious from the very start of this game.

The pro-town role he claims is nonsensic.

Also, maybe he has the power to resurrect, but if he's mafia (and his behaviour suggests as much), then it is safe to assume that those who are being resurrected, will turn into mafia puppets.

It just doesn't feel right.

Also, nobody is vouching for him. Last night, he should have been investigated by a detective. Said detective certainly know innocents who can vouch for TC on his instigation.

Nobody backs up TC. Nobody.

Now we have Sigurd, a resurrected player, insisting just like TC on resurrecting only players supposedly killed by the mafia and not one of the others.

Sigurd claims that his necromancer did not contact him. Why would a pro-town Necromancer not contact the townie he has just resurrected? It makes absolutely no sense at all. Unless the Necromancer is mafia and Sigurd is his puppet.

Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but something just doesn't feel right.

Four (4) kills in order to be able to resurrect two (2), players? And those 4 kills made without influence from the town, just out of the blue, chosen at random?

I refuse to believe such a ridiculous role and if such a role truly exists, then I refuse to believe that it is pro-town.

My vote stays right were it is.

[Ferret]

I shall wait and see what happens this night before acting against this so-called pro-town group. Oh, and resurrect Sasaki for Beelzebub's sake.

just so you know I am not part of the 'so called pro-town group', I can only vouch for Bananabob due to info from Kamikhaan.

[Drisos]

...

Plain Logic. I fully support what he sais!

[woad&fangs]

Vote: Tincow
He didn't invite the doctors to his "protown" group .

Tally
BananaBob - 2 (Mak, pever)
Kommodus - 2 ( Bob, EF)
pevergreen - 3 (Omanes, Kommodus, Sigurd)
TinCow - 3 (Seamus, Andres, woad)
Caius - 4 (GH, FH, Ryth, TC,)
Andres- 1 (CR)

Abstains-(, Hannibal)

[Sigurd]

Now we have Sigurd, a resurrected player, insisting just like TC on resurrecting only players supposedly killed by the mafia and not one of the others.

Sigurd claims that his necromancer did not contact him. Why would a pro-town Necromancer not contact the townie he has just resurrected? It makes absolutely no sense at all. Unless the Necromancer is mafia and Sigurd is his puppet.

You fully know my logic is sound. Tincow being vigilante should not resurrect people he killed because they could potentially be mafia.
Reading the rules again, I can't find statements about how many the mafia can kill every night. I guess we have assumed that the number is 3.

As Kommodus noted, the kill descriptions should give indications to the townieness of the victims.
May I remind you of my guard duty, tormenting damned souls, attacked by a glowing figure with wings and that I fought back with a pitchfork.

Again I shall call upon the necromancer to pm me with an explanation of my resurrection.

[Drisos]

He didn't invite the doctors to his "protown" group

Indeed. Yet ANOTHER reason that his story just doesn't fit.

I say, don't wait another night. That's what we did yesterday. Do we have our proof? No!

I think it's obvious that he isn't pro-town. And obviously, the ones he resurrects are on his side. Makes perfect sense, in the story set by kami.

I say, finish this, before he gets himself new recruits!!

!

[TinCow]

I was waiting for the approval of all 3 people before I let the doctors have the forum link. Two have given their approval, but one of them still hasn't responded. Since you seem to want to lynch on this basis alone, I will take the risk of pissing off this third person and give the doctors the link to the board themselves. I hope they have the good sense to keep most of what they see in there secret. I am sending them the links now, so please be a little patient until they can respond.

[Kommodus]

Resurrecting is not necessarily pro-town. The resurrected players may well be mafia puppets.

TinCow should be lynched.

You know, the more I think about it, the more I think there might be something to this. TinCow may very well not be telling the whole truth...

Unvote: pevergreen
Vote: TinCow

Tally
BananaBob - 2 (Mak, pever)
Kommodus - 2 ( Bob, EF)
pevergreen - 2 (Omanes, Sigurd)
TinCow - 4 (Seamus, Andres, woad,Kommodus)
Caius - 4 (GH, FH, Ryth, TC,)
Andres- 1 (CR)

Abstains-(Hannibal)

[Sigurd]

Am I the only one sensing a desperate tone in Andres and Drisos?

Did my luck strike as Drisos' ? Did TinCow kill one of the mafia when he ended Drisos? Is that why they attack me when I advice not to resurrect those who TinCow killed?

[Ferret]

I have seen TC's thread and can confirm him as pro-town. I have not read all of it yet but it is definitely legit.

unvote:Kommodus
vote:Caius

to put TC second

edit: this also allows me to vouch for Pevergreen's claims and a few others who are to remain anonymous.

[Northnovas]

Well my post maybe according to Homes is I am cast unsure BUT there is no guilt because I am pro town with NO special role. I am not familiar with the program but all of it's suspicions are not on the right people.

It is too bad TC admitting his ability is going to get him lynched. He is not the threat to the town and this nonsense of the vote to ressurect has taken away the lynch vote. Anyone pro town would be trying to lynch mafia and not townies.

Let him prove his ability by not lynching and pick who you feel is worthy. I would hope the townies would vote for their own.

Vote Caius

The latest tally with my vote:

BananaBob - 2 (Mak, pever)
Kommodus - 1( Bob,)
pevergreen - 2 (Omanes, Sigurd)
TinCow - 4 (Seamus, Andres, woad,Kommodus)
Caius - 6 (GH, FH, Ryth, TC, EF, NN)
Andres- 1 (CR)

Abstains-(Hannibal)

[Drisos]

Am I the only one sensing a desperate tone in Andres and Drisos?

Oh, I can get much more desperate, if you want. (I was desperate, in capo2, trying to get town victory by setting mafia families up against each other in the endgame )

Btw, note that, without me, TinCow might had been lynched yesterday. I was one of those who came up with the logic some people (CR f.i.) come up with now again. ("leave him alive and we'll get evidence")

But there's just too much holes in his story. It's bound to fall apart, sooner or later..

I'm sorry for my hyper-activity,... I just tend to stay very active when dead. Like flies in a hot summer, you can crush them, but them keep bothering you)

I shall now crawl back into my coffin goodnight!

[BananaBob]

I can back up TC now. He is almost certainly who he says he is.

[Tratorix]

I have a bad feeling about this. The longer this goes on, the less convincing I find Tincow's story. So far, we seem to have:

2 doctors
Tincow's Hades role.
And at least 2 other protown roles.

vs.

3 mafioso.

This seems quite unbalanced to me. Which leads be to the conclusion that one(or more) of our "powertown roles" is lying. Tincow has already proved in Capo 2 that he is good at playing the double agent. I wouldn't put it past him to try it here.

[woad&fangs]

Unvote: Tincow

[Hannibalbarc]

Vote Tincow He tells everybody his role(and admits to killing a number of people) and everybody takes him at his word, for all you know it could be a clever mafia tactic, admitting to have have killed and offering to help the town, and no one has backed up what he said.

Why should we lynch Tincow without giving him a chance to prove that he' who he says he is by resurrecting two people tonight?

CR

What if he also kills that night? and what if the one he resurrected is mafia or becomes mafia puppets, this has already been mentioned.
If we hadn't pressured Tincow into tell us his role, he wouldn't have offered to help the town, and would have kept up the killing like any mafia, as soon as we try to lynch him, he claims to have a pro-town role, we force him to tell us what it is, and it took him a while to tell us(probably inventing his clever story), I think his story is just a clever defense, then again I could very well be wrong.
EDIT:Bananabob finally backs up Tincow, why didn't he do it sooner? maybe he is mafia and was bribed by Tincow to vouch for him, why did bob suddenly back him up just when he desperately needed it.
Ironically Bob also claims a pro-town role, and hasn't told us what it is yet.

[Northnovas]

Unvote: Tincow

The latest tally:

BananaBob - 2 (Mak, pever)
Kommodus - 1( Bob,)
pevergreen - 2 (Omanes, Sigurd)
TinCow - 4 (Seamus, Andres, Kommodus, Hannibal)
Caius - 6 (GH, FH, Ryth, TC, EF, NN)
Andres- 1 (CR)

Abstains-

[Paradox]

Vote: pevergreen

Simply because he hasn't been targetted lately.

[Hannibalbarc]

Here is one of Tincows earlier posts when we lynched Bob

I don't like the votes going on BananaBob, because I believe him.

EDIT:When we almost lynched Bob.