Unit Conscription : Corsica and Sardinia

[dedalonur9]

This discussion was up a while ago, and dragged on for quite a while with lots of wierd people who claimed lost of wierd things about sheepherds and stuff.
But I´ve got to say, new Sardinian units are one of the number one things that makes me wanna play 1.1. Hopefully it´ll be a local Nuraghi units and not just the added ability to recruit Hoplitai Haploi and Akontistai, but I´ve understand that it´s very hard to know how exactly the Nuraghi fought.
Didn´t one of the guys in that old thread claim that the Nuraghi invaded Egypt and Sicily, and fought with iron swords before iron was discovered and probably visited America and walked on the moon somewhere around 1000 BC?
Nationalism can do crazy stuff to people.

I'm content that you have resumed the argument
and i hope that it can be spoken serenely about the Sardinian warrior


as uselessly i had asked in the old one thread!

i had not read of the iron sword in hand to the shardana in the 1200!

an identical copy to the swords Shardana is found in the museum of Cagliari

it was arsenicated fairy of branch

we must suppose but that many were made of bronze

as far as the sword in iron, null is it tried...in all sense


but we know the sea people before to invade the Egypt they destroyed

the Hittita empire

I have read some scholars that they assume that the shardana was mercenary of the Hittita empire beyond that of that egyptian


the Hittiti ones were draw first to use the iron

[Watchman]

For spears, daggers and such. Prestige items essentially by what I know of it (good sophisticated bronzeworking beats primitive ironworking in end-product performance specs, AFAIK) - the Old Testament puts an iron-tipped spear in the hands of the Philistine champion Goliath. Took a while longer before the metallurgy got good enough to make decent-sized swords...

[dedalonur9]

For spears, daggers and such. Prestige items essentially by what I know of it (good sophisticated bronzeworking beats primitive ironworking in end-product performance specs, AFAIK) - the Old Testament puts an iron-tipped spear in the hands of the Philistine champion Goliath. Took a while longer before the metallurgy got good enough to make decent-sized swords...

it's true!
The Bible Philistine, are identify to you from many scholars with the Pheleset

one of the sea people who together invaded the Egypt, to the Shardana

thi is a statue in bronze, found again in Sardinia, would hatve to represent a Pheleset warrior:





there are the Warrior Pheleset of the Sea People:

[HamilcarBarca]

Even if the Shardana were from Sardinia - and that is an unproven hypothesis as far as both history and archaeology is concerned - you are still talking about the Late Bronze Age (c. 1200 BC).

And that's a long way from our Hellenistic Period.

Native Sardinian units would be recruited from the Nuragic chiefdoms (Nuragic V Period, 500-238 BC) and could be based on seventh and sixth century bronzetti that have been found across the island.

The Monte Prama sculptures date to the seventh century BC and show similar gear.

The Nuragic chiefdoms by 272 BC were certainly using iron technology.





It would be terrific is some realistic Sard (Nuragic) warriors began to inhabit EB Sardinia.

H.

[dedalonur9]

Even if the Shardana were from Sardinia - and that is an unproven hypothesis as far as both history and archaeology is concerned - you are still talking about the Late Bronze Age (c. 1200 BC).

And that's a long way from our Hellenistic Period.

H.

hi!
sure, but between Shardana and Nuragic warrior many things are similar: the sword, the shield, even the skirt

I have spoken for first about this hypothesis why it is a way in order to understand like could fight.

however still i have not found ine studious totally contrary to this hypothesis, they divide themselves in those who think such hypothesis possible, and those who is convinced some

Native Sardinian units would be recruited from the Nuragic chiefdoms (Nuragic V Period, 500-238 BC) and could be based on seventh and sixth century bronzetti that have been found across the island.

The Nuragic chiefdoms by 272 BC were certainly using iron technology.
H.

I agree on the fact that in III A.c. century used the iron

but the Sardinian revolts last at least until to the first period of the Empire

[SPOIL]The Monte Prama sculptures date to the seventh century BC and show similar gear.
H.

GIANTS PRAMA the mount must still be dated to carbon 14, hypotheses are that they have been ,ade between IX and VII century B.C.

Giant Prama they are made in the style Abini (not Uta), like this:



and your second pics

bye

[Barry Soteiro]

I'm happy to see some infantry for the nuraghi in EB 1.1. Will next version feature some cavalry ?

[dedalonur9]

I'm happy to see some infantry for the nuraghi in EB 1.1. Will next version feature some cavalry ?

I hope. From Askos is gone, from the Sardinian traditions like l' Ardia, and from a bronzetto, turns out that the Sardinians went to horse. in the bronzetti also a chariot-war is represented.

I have seen the for the first time; "Shardanam"


and I have some questions.....

1) it is mistaken to write that the Sardinians did not have armor. in bronzetti the Uta style an armor can be seen rectangular, used also from the Etruschi. probably it was of bronze.



2) the nuragici used moreover Greave and horned Helmet........... always

3) we do not have Nuragic warrior armed with Spear, but only with bow, sword, and sling.the spear only appears to Medinet abu in the hands of the Shardana. we can only suppose they used that it....

4) the long sword was capacity places side by side to the quiver, for being able to use the bow.

5) the shield was of leather layers with metal plates probably bronze or copper, with shield boss to the center.......

6) the bow was double curved in the majority of the statues.

it has been noticed that when the Sardinians have short bow, possesses also sword and shield. other times appear with very longest bow without sword of it shield but however with the armor

watching the statues the typical crews of the Sardinians are alwaysthe bow, the sword, the shield, and the armour. therefore equipment of the Sardinian soldier was more similar to this image taken from E.B.



the more late kardiophilax, it will come replaced from armors in leather studded, made of bronze or copper. The sutds were rectangular or round.




I would want to signal also an other small error: Lilibeo (in Sicily) had been fortified with high and imposing wall from the Punics.
in fact the Roman never did not succeed to conquer it with l' siege