The Brothel - Large Mafia Game [Concluded]

[Craterus]

Yes, the behaviour's commendable but I still think it's an easy role for mafia to exploit.

EDIT: I'm a bit surprised at your reaction though. Lurkers always have a better chance of survival while the active players scrutinise each other's posts and lynch each other.

[Ferret]

w00t, I'm still alive!

And have no idea what is going on, I have some reading to do...

[Beefy187]

From the candidates so far ill have to choose Cronos. The reason for killing FH was very poor revenge vote. Although that makes him more likely townie because mafia wouldnt dare get attention like that but then again reverse phycology and...

Also his reason for voting Caius wasnt that great either.

I guess its better to kill him off just to make sure

Vote: Cronos

As for Sigurds post I cant say that was a good points he raised but I dont think its enough to make him guilty.

Tally:

Sigurd 3 (GH, khaan, Andres)

TevashSzat 2 (Craterus, Caius)

Andres 1 (Sigurd)
Cronos 2 (shlin28, Beefy)
Craterus 1 (Tevash)

[Caius]

I'm going to tie the lynch to not lynch Sigurd and lets thing this a bit more:

Unvote:Tevash
Vote:Cronos

At least to me, Sigurd is trying to help us, and we are trying to get him lynched!

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm going to tie the lynch to not lynch Sigurd and lets thing this a bit more:

Unvote:Tevash
Vote:Cronos

At least to me, Sigurd is trying to help us, and we are trying to get him lynched!

Or maybe because Cronos is a newbie and he's an easy lynch.

[Caius]

Or maybe because Cronos is a newbie and he's an easy lynch.

Cronos has played in other games I think.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Name them.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Nevermind, I took the liberty of actually searching myself.

Cronos did play in the Camel Killers game in May but his only post was to declare himself playing. To find the next mafia game he played in, we have to go back a year and a half to early 2007:

- "Blood" - ended prematurely due to host inactivity
- "The Legend of Davenport" - mini game, fairly active

Really, it's not much.

[Crazed Rabbit]

So Sigurd or Cronos, basically?

I gotta say, I don't really see the reason for the votes on Sigurd. GH's vote was based on GH's past behavior, and I don't see it as a compelling argument. Both GH and Khaan voted for Sigurd and accused him, basically, of being too active. Activity is something we need to see more of right now. Andres's vote was a simple bandwagon.

As for Cronos. he doesn't scream out guilty to me, but for this post:

Unvote: Caius
Vote: FactionHeir

Because he is a bandwaggon.

which was a revenge, bandwagon vote.

So I will vote: Cronos.

CR

[GeneralHankerchief]

Both GH and Khaan voted for Sigurd and accused him, basically, of being too active.

Incorrect. I accused him of a radical change in behavior compared to his past games. He seems much more like the cautious mafioso Sigurd than the "crazy townie" Sigurd.

[Cronos Impera]

Vote: Caius

[Andres]

Nobody have accused you of anything ... yet.

Ok ... Andres.
I have explained to you via pm and I know you read it at 15:22 [GMT+2] It is now 19:18 [GMT+2]
Why have you not replied or changed your vote?

unvote:TevashSzat, vote: Andres

You pm explains why you did not vote a certain player, but it didn't explain why you voted TevashSzat

Something smells fishy about you Sigurd.

[Andres]

Vote: Caius

Maybe you should add some reasoning to your vote, you know. After all, you are pretty close to getting lynched.

[pevergreen]

I will not claim I didn't as I can't recall the game. Is that where pevergreen got a hold of a mafia pm?

I did what?

[Sigurd]

Ok... We have 10 hours left of this voting period.
Let's get some meat on the bone shall we? The Mafia is in the informed minority and it is imperative that we as townies step up and become informed.

The facts:

There should be at least two groups of prostitutes consisting of 3 to 4 people.
Due to the low number of players we should assume only 3 players in each group.
These two groups can protect or kill, but if they do nothing they each have a 50% chance of surviving an attack.
6 of us are in these two groups.

Then you have the pious Mafiosi.
I would think that the game started with at least 2 of them.
They can each kill one player every two nights. This fits with one kill every night.
Then we got two new players after the game had started.
My initial instinct says that they are innocent as 2 mafiosi could easily win even with the increased amount of players.
Then I am thinking; Omanes mentioned secret roles, and 6 prostitutes having the ability to kill 2 every night or protect 2 every night or do nothing and leaving it hard for the mafia to kill those 6, speaks of a tough game for mafiosi that only can kill every other night.
Ok... maybe there are 3 mafiosi.

The suspects:

I know there might be as many as 6 prostitutes, but I am not going to reveal who I think they are other than not listing them on my suspicion short list.
Craterus or Andres I initially put on the innocent list.
phyros suicided giving up his place to Ichigo. No sane mafioso would give up their place.

That's 3 down.
Beefy strikes me as being a good townie and I put him on the semi-innocent list.
Elite Ferret has been away - might be innocent.
Caius has my back so he is in my good book.
Crazed Rabbit could have nailed the lid of my coffin but didn't ... not in the clear.
Cronos Impera is too noobish and misunderstood the bandwagon thing, I can't see the the guilt yet.
GH only classical townie behavior so far. But not at all in the clear.
I mentioned that shlin got my attention, but I am leaning to him being pro-town. Anything in the lost paragraph you claim Omanes put up that you want to share with us? You only had a 2 minute window to read it before Omanes took it away. Maybe you scolded the host for not putting in something that should have been there? This is what I told Andres, but he never replied in the thread or via pm.
TevashSzat well he is still on my suspicion short list that now has 3 names.
makaikhaan - voted me with the poor excuse of me taking charge of the lynch when I usually do this after being dead. In this game nothing was happening on the townie side, so I took charge.
That leaves Quintus J. Cicero.

Right now I will be bold and say that Tevash, makaikhaan and Quintus are our 3 mafiosi.
If FH was right in his assertion about late players, I would now lean towards putting Andres in there instead of any of the 3 I mentioned.

We know El Diablo and Tratorix was killed by the mafia, while Rythmic was killed by a group of prostitutes. Why Rythmic I wonder?

Any others wanting to give their thoughts?
Let's compare notes.

[Andres]

The Mafia is in the informed minority and it is imperative that we as townies step up and become informed.

Is that why you used pm instead of the thread to try to convince me?

I mentioned that shlin got my attention, but I am leaning to him being pro-town. Anything in the lost paragraph you claim Omanes put up that you want to share with us? You only had a 2 minute window to read it before Omanes took it away. Maybe you scolded the host for not putting in something that should have been there? This is what I told Andres, but he never replied in the thread or via pm.

Check post #192 of this thread.

[Sigurd]

Is that why you used pm instead of the thread to try to convince me?

Initially it was because I wouldn't possibly give away a pro-town role. But when writing that pm to you I realized the possible connection. The small time frame that shlin could have been able to read Omanes' post makes it unlikely that he caught a paragraph that was removed. I have been thinking hard on this and I am strongly leaning on the possibility that shlin wanting something to be mentioned in the first night that was not narrated. Of course shlin could just confirm this and we would be in the clear. I hardly doubt a mafioso would dare putting his neck out like that and I therefore think shlin is pro-town. If the mafia didn't know, well...

Check post #192 of this thread.

Saw it and am little less suspicious of you. I'll give it to you, you stick to your norm. Nothing more to say.

[Quintus.JC]

Vote: Caius

Vote: Cronos Impera

Defend yourself man, you’re almost lynched.

[Sigurd]

unvote: Andres, vote makaikhaan.

I think we should try removing a possible mafioso this round. Tevash is by all means not off my list, but the khaan is looking more guilty right now.

Tally:

Cronos Impera: 5 (Beefy, Caius, CR, shlin, Quintus)
Sigurd Fafnesbane : 3 (Andres, GH, khaan)

TevashSzat: 1 (Craterus)
Caius: 1 (Cronos)
khaan: 1 (Sigurd)

not voting: 2 (EF, Ichigo)

[Andres]

Vote: Cronos Impera

Defend yourself man, you’re almost lynched.

He indeed is almost lynched, so why the need for an additional vote?

What is your reason for voting Cronos?

[Sigurd]

Vote: Cronos Impera

Defend yourself man, you’re almost lynched.

I saw via your profile that you just spent an fairly amount of time in this thread, yet you are happy to lynch Cronos.
Why didn't you answer Andres?
And what do you think of my recent analysis?

[Cronos Impera]

Ok...here I'm going to make my plea for life.

1. The bandwaggon accusation

I made that because FH jumped at my throat hours after Beefy "complained" about my strategies. I must confess that at that time my intuition and suspicions turned on Caius, but after that post and seeing FH was facing immeadiate lynching I changed my vote due cause.

2. The crusade against Caius

As I said earlier I honestly believed him to be a puritan, and his organised pattern kept him out of the public eye so to speak. I might have exagerated a bit but I lack some experience and this was taken as a sign of guilt. Let me remind you that I once played as Don Flameheart in "The Legend of Davenport" and back then when I tried to force them on different lead I wold spread rumors. Than my target was pevergreen.

3. The "execution comitee" inquiry

Let's see now who's voting against me and their reasons for doing so.

Beefy: can't really comment
Caius : retaliation
CR : target of opportunity
shlin : your vote dissapoints me
Quintus : target of opportunity

And since Sigurd has posted this excellent analysis I'm inclined to renounce my blind ego and go for a reasonable voting policy.

Unvote: Caius
Vote:Quintus

I apologise Caius, I defend myself against you Quintus.

PS: Happy Birthday Sigurd.

[Andres]

Unvote ; Vote : Quintus.J.Cicero

Please, answer me.

[Sigurd]

I am about to go out for some dinner with loved ones, and I'll probably not be back until long after the lynch.

In short: It is my opinion and strong encouragement that we lynch a mafioso to day.
Quintus is as good as makaikhaan.

unvote: makaikhaan, vote: Quintus J. Cicero

[TevashSzat]

Okay....really big mess here.

Basically, everyone just bandwagoned on Cronos because Beefy added a second vote, great job guys, and it might just be a mafia cover for Sigurd, their buddy.

Quintus's recent vote against Cronos, though, strikes me as much more suspicious. Thus, I will unvote, vote:Quintus

Again, I admire how people are still suspicious of me for trying to be proactive. I happen to be at a summer job right now with ALOT of downtime so I just go around the forums and post alot, and thus I am spending more attention to mafia games than I have earlier.

Tally:

Cronos Impera: 5 (Beefy, Caius, CR, shlin, Quintus)

Quintus 3 (Cronos, Andres, Tevash)

Sigurd Fafnesbane : 2 (GH, khaan)

TevashSzat: 1 (Craterus)
khaan: 1 (Sigurd)

not voting: 2 (EF, Ichigo)

[Caius]

Cronos has defended himself and I believe him. Also, the tie I tried to do its broken and I am voting him for nothing

Unvote:Cronos

[shlin28]

DOES EVERYONE HAS TO FOLLOW MY VOTE??? You guys just totally bandwagonned onto Cronos even though he hasn't made a comeback yet... You guys did the same with FactionHeir too... I'm very disapointed in you people

Unvote: Cronos Impera

Vote: Caius

Bandwagonning twice onto my bandwagon eh?

[Quintus.JC]

Unvote ; Vote : Quintus.J.Cicero

Please, answer me.

Because he did not explain his vote, and he voted for Caius just about every round.

[Quintus.JC]

Quintus's recent vote against Cronos, though, strikes me as much more suspicious. Thus, I will unvote, vote:Quintus

Why is that suspcious?

[Quintus.JC]

Now that Cronos Impera has spoken out I suppose I’ll have to change my vote. Now the table has really turned against me, I barely understand where all the accusations are coming from. Since Cronos’ voted for me everyone decide to join his side. Isn’t that called bandwaggoning too.

Unvote: Cronos Impera
Vote: Sigurd Fafnesbane.
Very voluminous analysis, has accused people with good reasoning, but seems too manipulative to me.