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Possibly, though at that time war wasn't uncommon in Europe at all - nobody thought that there was going to be a war as big as the First World War. Many actions at that time could have led to war - Germany just tried to get the best deal. Even the terms Germany put on France weren't as crippling as the ones we got at the Treaty of Versailles, even though we took Paris.

The deal was very harsh though, cripling their economy by taking Alsace-Lorraine or however it's called (that thing still isn't solved eh?), and imposing on them huge payments. I'd call it about as unfair as Versailles. And again both parties were the agressors in this conflict (just as in WWI)

Yes, I did. Partially because his wording is insulting, partially because they weren't all Germans, and partially because I feel Germany had what I see as a casus belli right up until the invasion of Poland.

Sure, Germany started the war, but the Allies didn't help with the whole situation.

I didn't see the wording as insulting, and I'm sorry you did. We all know they weren't al germans, but I don't see Germany's right to go to war. They accepted Versailles, like it or not, you're bound by such a treaty then. Annexing Austria and Czechoslovakia and about ignoring every part of said treaty is no casus belli in my opinion.

Now, back to the other point. You talk about the firebombing of Dresden. You can't blame the Germans for that, no matter how hard you try. The Allied leaders had a choice on whether to commit atrocities against Germany, and they chose to.

That's why I rate the deliberate bombing of cities (by Allies and Axis) as war crimes. But tell me, who began the bombing on cities? Where it the Germans when bombing the Netherlands into surrender, or accidently targetting London, or were it the Allies? I'm not sure here.

The "pinnacle" of German civilization? More like absolute bottom, but I love your sarcasm. Judging Germany by the Holocaust is like judging the French by Robespierre's Terror.

I think Louis is referring to the fact that the Nazi's saw themselves as the pinnacle of German civilization. Ofcourse we all realise now that's utter .......