Star Wars: Fall of the Order [Concluded]

[Andres]

Why are you all congratulating Sasaki Besides, maybe the vig is a serial killer who accidentally killed a Sith night 1.

And thnx ATPG for confirming my innocence in your hilarious write-up

Vote : Csargo

You lied about the muffin man

[Ignoramus]

Has anyone done a lurker check yet?

[pevergreen]

The rule of two may not be in effect.

We don't know how this game is set up.

[Cute Wolf]

vote: double A

[ByzantineKnight]

The rule of two may not be in effect.

We don't know how this game is set up.

Somehow, somewhere in the galaxy, there still must have been at least one Sith still standing. But we know from the security recordings that there are at least two now, a Master and an Apprentice.

I'm pretty sure it means start with 2, room for recruitment

[Diamondeye]

It was only a sith apprentice. Theres at least 2 other more powerful sith, yeah?

The question still is, who came after me.

I'd think there was only one other sith left; What reason do you have to believe otherwise?

Also, to me it didn't look like the action against you was dangerous. They guy threatened you with a lavalamp or somesuch and inquired about a completely irrelevant thing. He's some lunatic who wanted to test his ability on someone whose playername/alias combination was known. That's what I think, at least.

My guess is that since we just got an apprentice that the remaining Sith Lord might be able to corrupt another one (an initiate?)

If i'm remembering my Star Wars correctly, there are only ever two sith, a master and an apprentice. And didn't the opening writeup say that there was a master and apprentice? (as in not plural)

I bet the apprentice could make one kill a night (killing another Jedi tonight won't exactly be a stain on my conscience....) I'm thinking that ATPG would have said "yet another" or something similar to mean he had killed more than one and I have another reason I'll get to in a sec

The master would be able to make 2 kills a night (and/or possibly recruit a new apprentice if the old one was killed)

The other reason was that assuming that there are only two sith (which I find most likely) and the three kills performed by Sith it would make sense that the master would recieve 2 kills and the apprentice only one, especially if the apprentice was a recruitable role. There would be one quite powerful role (the master) possibly immune to everything but a lynch (although I'm sure if he was attacked we would at least discover his identity) and then a healthy supply of initiates to recruit if the previous one met an untimely end... Just my 2 cents...

... Correct me if I am mistaken; there were only 2 sith kills. Is there any compelling reason to believe that the setup isn't simply master-apprentice, with one kill each? If there is, what reason is that?
I'd think that means that the sith have recruitment - but I'd be baffled if it works exactly like in Sigurd's game. In fact, in the light of your "sith master has two actions"; people need to stop assuming that this game is exactly like Sigurd's. It isn't, I can say that already, just from the night 1 writeup.

Has anyone done a lurker check yet?

vote: double A

Snap, CW. Got anything constructive to say, apart from the cheap bandwagon vote?
unvote; vote: Cute Wolf

I'm pretty sure it means start with 2, room for recruitment

I think this is a correct assesment.

[classical_hero]

This thread moves fast. So far ther e is not much conclusive proof of anyone's guilt or innocence, but I think that vote:Double A has some explaining to do.

[Diamondeye]

Double-post in order to not edit a post with a vote:
@Secura: You can't blame me for being suspicious of everyone at this point of the game. I'm just prompting you for reactions.
@Renata: I'm sorry you think so. Personally, I can't imagine why a sith would act like I am doing. I think the sith are going to keep relatively quiet and certainly not be putting themselves at great lynch risk this early.

Also; I'll take a close look at the writeup later today and post my impressions and (what few there may be) deductions.

[Andres]

Ah, DiamondEye.

Unvote : Csargo; Vote : DiamondEye

Ever seen the eyes of a Sith? Don't they look like red diamonds? Ergo, DiamondEye is guilty. Unless somebody comes up with a better case, he should be our lynch of the day.

[ByzantineKnight]

... Correct me if I am mistaken; there were only 2 sith kills. Is there any compelling reason to believe that the setup isn't simply master-apprentice, with one kill each? If there is, what reason is that?

wow... I totally thought there were 3 kills (or attempts) I must have been counting Sasaki's pwnage

Nope, I can't think of any... man.. I coulda sworn there were three sith attacks... but anyways...

So we're after the remaining sith lord with a kill a night and possibly an ability to recruit
as well as (or instead of) the kill

I'd say we're off to a good start

[pevergreen]

@DE: I dont remember the write-up. I could go back and check, but - effort.

I'm with Andres. Unvote, Vote: DE

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

Why are you all congratulating Sasaki

This puzzled me, and I'm sure that last time I congratulated Sasaki (in ATPG's Wager Mafia) my head nearly rolled. Because congratulating town is scummy (I actually was scum, I'll have you know).

Renata? Seon? Diamondeye?

Vote: Diamondeye

[Beefy187]

Vote: Autolycus

OMGUS vote

[naut]

classical_hero. classical apprehensive townie post.

[Diamondeye]

Go team Force Breath

Edit: Summary of my analysis of night 1 events:

Kerrin Kae was killed by a sith - the battle was one-sided, but not clearly.
The sith used a red lightsaber in form 1 pose.
The sith used force speed, force pull, force push, and "force dark energy" power.
It should be noted that Kerrin Kae was returning from training with Nomi.

Si-At Unegh was killed by a sith - completely trampled, in fact. He didn't stand a chance.
Unegh only had a "force stun" ability to defend himself, and it proved utterly ineffective.
The attacking sith used a red lightsaber, in form 3 pose. He didn't need to use force powers.

Jax Revus - who showed up sith upon death - was attacked and killed by an unknown attacker. The battle was very close.
Revus himself used two lightsabers; yellow and red. He used those in a form 1 pose.
Furthermore, he used a force push ability. He was a sith apprentice, and admits that he had been killing a jedi earlier that night
The unknown attacker used purple lightsaber, in form 3 pose.
He also used a "force distraction" power, to great effect (it won him the battle, the way I read it).
It should be noted that the unknown figure was referred to as a "Master", and that he seems to be out of a common race - human, perhaps? In all cases, a different race than Jax Revus.

Jacin Sky was attacked by an unknown attacker, but escaped. The match was extremely even.
Sky himself used a lightsaber - its colour is not mentioned, but we know he carries a green one from his duel - his pose is not mentioned, but we know he knows the form 3 defensive pose.
Furthermore, he seems to have used a "force speed" or "force leap" to escape - we know he possesses the latter ability.
The assailant used a blue lightsaber, in a form 2 pose.

Carnus Daye was threatened and "pseudo-interrogated" by a crazy lunatic. The writeup seems to indicate that the ambusher bluffed his possession of a red lightsaber through the use of a lamp of some sort.

... From this, I conclude:

Beskar - Jax Revus, the sith apprentice - was the one who killed Kerrin Kae. He uses the same lightsaber form and one of the same force powers as Kae's assassin. Furthermore, it looks as if Kerrin's fight was much closer than Si-At Unegh's - fitting for a sith apprentice, in comparison to his master.

... It should also be considered:

- Are both of the attackers who are not sith aligned with the town, or are we dealing with third parties? In my opinion, it is not clear from the writeup if either of the attackers are clearly pro-town, although Beskar's killer did slay a sith, he struck me as a bit neutral-looking; he's not very Jedi-esque in his manners, and he attacks a silent player on night 1; vigilante or serial killer? Very little is told about the other attacker.

[TinCow]

Anyway because no one is counter claiming Sasaki's claim of Sith killing awesomeness everyone should go spill their guts to him so we can rap this up by day 3. Who knows, maybe he'll even discover which one of us is the muffin man.

Sasaki is not to be trusted, he is only to be enjoyed.

I'm not feeling the DE bandwagon.

[Death is yonder]

You'd better hope it works very well then

Vote: Diamondeye

Also if the write up is any indication at all, from my quick-read I doubt that Sasaki would be so willing to reveal himself as Beskar's killer considering how the write-up alludes to somebody possibly rolling down the slippery slope of the dark-side, but then again the details or at least some inkling of the conversion mechanic isn't public yet so the point is moot

Extra Note After Previewing and Seeing DE's post:

Yeah, but the point is largely unclear on the identity/leanings of the attacker especially that of Beskar's killer.

Depends if those details are fluff or genuine allusions.

[TinCow]

Ignore this, error on my part. Too little caffeine to read properly.

[God Emperor]

What exactly is the reason behind the Diamondeye bandwagon? Why are you voting for him DiY?

[Seon]

AtPG said himself that detective deduction using colour of the sabre ie INEFFECTIVE.

Also from what clue in the writeup do you know that the Assassin wielded a lavalamp instead of an oversized blowtorch?

[Joooray]

Awesome write up, pizza.

So, can someone explain the case on DE, and why is Force Breath such a scummy force power?

Until then, I'll Vote: Andres, he claimed to be the Muffin Man loony, right?" I'd might be a role block, but the way I see it we can't have a crazy person like this running around without putting some scrutiny on him. And why so openly claim it?

[dcmort93]

So I've kinda been following the thread and I would like to know what the case on DE is before I vote for him

[Andres]

Awesome write up, pizza.

So, can someone explain the case on DE, and why is Force Breath such a scummy force power?

Until then, I'll Vote: Andres, he claimed to be the Muffin Man loony, right?" I'd might be a role block, but the way I see it we can't have a crazy person like this running around without putting some scrutiny on him. And why so openly claim it?

Because I'm a crazy lunatic, of course. But a harmless one. If I would be able to kill, I would have used a lightsaber instead of Csar's lamp.

And there is no case on DE, that's why we're lynching him. Don't underestimate the powers of chaos and randomness. Don't ruin it by building a real case, or the crazy lunatic will visit you tonight

[Raskolnikov]

or perhaps a friend of Raskolnikov who wanted revenge?

Indeed, though it appears my killer partners suck at least as much as me in this business...

edit: great job ATPG with the write up. really impressive!

[Renata]

Why would an initiate have Force Breath? That's that part of the issue. And why claim to have it at all at the time he did? What effect, other than to dissuade the town from actually lynching him? As for anything else there may or may not be on Diamondeye -- do the work yourselves.

Anyway -- I'd love to have a chat with you today, Diamondeye. Will you be around?

[Joooray]

Because I'm a crazy lunatic, of course. But a harmless one. If I would be able to kill, I would have used a lightsaber instead of Csar's lamp.

So what except of entertaining do you do?

Why would an initiate have Force Breath? That's that part of the issue. And why claim to have it at all at the time he did? What effect, other than to dissuade the town from actually lynching him? As for anything else there may or may not be on Diamondeye -- do the work yourselves.

So it seems the case is not as random as Andres suggests. I know it has been said somewhere before, but could someone again explain what Force Breath does, thanks.
Also, Atpg said that most initiates would have some kind of ability above their level, what makes you think this excludes Force Breath?

[Andres]

So what except of entertaining do you do?

Nothing. Entertaining is serious business, btw.

So it seems the case is not as random as Andres suggests. I know it has been said somewhere before, but could someone again explain what Force Breath does, thanks.
Also, Atpg said that most initiates would have some kind of ability above their level, what makes you think this excludes Force Breath?

Well, in the previous game, those with Force Breath proved to be unlynchable.

It's a pretty boring ability compared to my awesome powers.

[Renata]

Where did ATPG say that, Joooray?

[TinCow]

Until then, I'll Vote: Andres, he claimed to be the Muffin Man loony, right?" I'd might be a role block, but the way I see it we can't have a crazy person like this running around without putting some scrutiny on him. And why so openly claim it?

You're voting for Andres because you think he didn't kill someone last night? That makes no sense at all.

Vote: Joooray

[naut]

Sasaki [...] is only to be enjoyed

I find he goes best with some sharp jarlsberg, crackers and some fortified port.