Star Wars: Fall of the Order [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Unvote:Ignoramus

I again, do not codone ties. I am positive I will lose, and even if I do win, I'll be killed during the night. This way the mafia will know nothing of Iggy's abilities.

Or you have force breath

I would rather ig was lynched though.

[Zack]

Unvote:Ignoramus

I again, do not codone ties. I am positive I will lose, and even if I do win, I'll be killed during the night. This way the mafia will know nothing of Iggy's abilities.

The bolded section struck me as a particularly odd thing to say. Weren't you happy to lynch him just a few minutes ago?

And I'm assuming a duel resulting from a tie would negate any Force Breath either of you have, correct me if I'm wrong.

[ULC]

The bolded section struck me as a particularly odd thing to say. Weren't you happy to lynch him just a few minutes ago?

And I'm assuming a duel resulting from a tie would negate any Force Breath either of you have, correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't have force breath, my death will prove that - I have no idea about Iggy. In any case, I voted Iggy because I do not like duels, and I have preference over myself rather then an unknown. However, when the vote was tied again, I was left with no choice but to unvote myself.

[Zack]

I don't have force breath, my death will prove that - I have no idea about Iggy. In any case, I voted Iggy because I do not like duels, and I have preference over myself rather then an unknown. However, when the vote was tied again, I was left with no choice but to unvote myself.

I know why you voted him. I'm wondering why you're suddenly now fine with getting yourself lynched in order to save Ignoramus. Change of heart? Give me a real reason, not the "I don't like duels" stuff. That can't be the only reason you are willing to lynch yourself "rather than an unknown". You just said you have preference over yourself than "an unknown"... yet your recent voting history seems to disagree.

[dcmort93]

Ok so Upon going over Tincow's post from after the update I think that the stronger case is on the one who wants a scanner dead no matter what so Vote YLC

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ok so Upon going over Tincow's post from after the update I think that the stronger case is on the one who wants a scanner dead no matter what so Vote YLC

fos:dcmort

seems keen to save ignoramus.

Let's just lynch ignoramus straight up.

[ULC]

I know why you voted him. I'm wondering why you're suddenly now fine with getting yourself lynched in order to save Ignoramus. Change of heart?

o_O

I have no other choice. I only have control of my vote, so if I do not want a tie, I have to choose either me or Iggy. I haven't changed my heart, so I'm not sure what your getting at, except to try and actually expose the Catch-22 that TC put me in.

[Zack]

o_O

I have no other choice. I only have control of my vote, so if I do not want a tie, I have to choose either me or Iggy. I haven't changed my heart, so I'm not sure what your getting at, except to try and actually expose the Catch-22 that TC put me in.

Read my edit:

Give me a real reason, not the "I don't like duels" stuff. That can't be the only reason you are willing to lynch yourself "rather than an unknown". You just said you have preference over yourself than "an unknown"... yet your recent voting history seems to disagree.

[Choxorn]

I'd like to publicly reveal that I am Nomi Sunrider, Grandmaster of the Order, and that I have the power to avoid lynches, but not my prewritten storyline death, or the headaches from promoting all the rest of you. In fact, I believe the manner of my death will be hosting this game.

But I would post 500 times
And I would post 500 more
To be the man who posts sixteen thousand times
And still has you beg for more

Finally! A Youtube song that actually works! :D

[ByzantineKnight]

Really? Have you read the thread at all?

FoS: dcmort93

It sounded to me like he didn't want to be the one who decides to lynch one or the other, not that he didn't want to vote for one of them

[Zack]

It sounded to me like he didn't want to be the one who decides to lynch one or the other, not that he didn't want to vote for one of them

Seeing how he just put YLC in the lead by 2 votes, that seems unlikely.

[ULC]

Read my edit:

I don't like duels. I honestly think they hurt the town. I am going to lose to Iggy, so unless Iggy is outright lynched, he goes free. I can prefer myself as much as I want, but if I am to choose between revealing Iggy's fighting style and possible abilities AND dying, or just simply dying, the choice is rather logical, don't you think.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I don't like duels. I honestly think they hurt the town. I am going to lose to Iggy, so unless Iggy is outright lynched, he goes free. I can prefer myself as much as I want, but if I am to choose between revealing Iggy's fighting style and possible abilities AND dying, or just simply dying, the choice is rather logical, don't you think.

What makes you think he isn't an initiate?

[Zack]

I don't like duels. I honestly think they hurt the town. I am going to lose to Iggy, so unless Iggy is outright lynched, he goes free. I can prefer myself as much as I want, but if I am to choose between revealing Iggy's fighting style and possible abilities AND dying, or just simply dying, the choice is rather logical, don't you think.

No. Apparently, you have decided that Ignoramus went from an unknown to someone you don't want to see lynched. I'm just trying to figure out why.

[seireikhaan]

Whatever y'all do, don't tie it up again. Leave it as is, abstain, whatever, but leave current ignoramus/ylc tally as is.

[ByzantineKnight]

Seeing how he just put YLC in the lead by 2 votes, that seems unlikely.

I started replying before his vote, his post where he voted was scummy tho...

[ULC]

What makes you think he isn't an initiate?

Behavior - he may claim otherwise, but He's virtually absent from mafia until this game and now clings to it. He is doing something or believes he is going to do something - so I suspect whatever rank obtains a lightsaber. I'm an initiate, with 2 avoidance abilities, and no lightsaber skill. The tally is against me anyway period, so there isn't much I can do about - for instance, I can't seem to satisfy Zack with any answer I give him, who doesn't seem to get that I am doing what I think is best for the town based upon what I believe.

Let me put in caps - IGGY IS NOT GETTING LYNCHED, AND I WILL LOSE IN A DUEL, WHICH WILL REVEAL INFORMATION TO THE MAFIA. THE BEST OPTION, DESPITE THE FACT I DO NOT LIKE IT, SO JUST OUTRIGHT DIE. LESSER OF TWO EVILS!

[Frozen In Ice]

Personally, I think duels can be very beneficial to the town as well. They only give more information about the town's top two suspects. Is it really worse that a few Sith learn a bit more, when many townies also learn more? This is more than a fair deal considering the the two chosen to duel are who are more likely to be Sith. So mafia may learn about some powerful players that they want dead, but that's better than the pro-town power roles being mistakenly lynched. The only downside as far as I see is that whether a Jedi is recruitable or not may be revealed by how angry a Jedi seems while fighting, but even then at least the town learns which players to watch out for.

Considering most other player's extreme aversion to dueling it seems I may be missing an argument though. Would someone mind filling me in what it is?

[Zack]

Behavior - he may claim otherwise, but He's virtually absent from mafia until this game and now clings to it. He is doing something or believes he is going to do something

So you're just giving up? Not even going to try to lynch him? Why does this automatically mean he is a pro-town power role, and not mafia? And as Frozen said, I don't understand what is so bad about dueling, especially when the duelists are the current two most suspicious players.

[dcmort93]

I didnt want to decide without knowing the whole story

[ULC]

Personally, I think duels can be very beneficial to the town as well. They only give more information about the town's top two suspects. Is it really worse that a few Sith learn a bit more, when many townies also learn more? This is more than a fair deal considering the the two chosen to duel are who are more likely to be Sith. So mafia may learn about some powerful players that they want dead, but that's better than the pro-town power roles being mistakenly lynched. The only downside as far as I see is that whether a Jedi is recruitable or not may be revealed by how angry a Jedi seems while fighting, but even then at least the town learns which players to watch out for.

Considering most other player's extreme aversion to dueling it seems I may be missing an argument though. Would someone mind filling me in what it is?

Duel styles and hints as to defensive abilities are revealed, so it's easier for whomever to get past their defenses. This is more helpful, IMHO, to the Sith then it is to the Jedi.

[ULC]

So you're just giving up? Not even going to try to lynch him? Why does this automatically mean he is a pro-town power role, and not mafia? And as Frozen said, I don't understand what is so bad about dueling, especially when the duelists are the current two most suspicious players.

Because I'll lose? I have no idea as to Iggy's role, I just know it is better then mine, because why other would he care? Honestly, really giving up would be simply walking away - I'm not, I'll be here when I'm dead and contribute after.

I've explained myself repeatedly, again, and again. No one is satisfied with what I have to say and is actively against my opinion. I've said I am doomed no matter what I do, at least that is what I believe in. I'd rather go with the least damage done to the town.

[God Emperor]

Well.. let's see

reasons for duels:

We see if people are recruitable or not (this is assuming that only some innitiates can be recruited)
it is not impossible that the mafia can scan for recruitables, therefore it will be placed in the 'reasons for duels'

We will learn what fighting stances they use. If the winner of a duel use the exact same stance as a night killing sith, then we could say BINGO

Reasons against:

We will tell the mafia how to kill the winning duelist

We will tell the mafia if there are power roles in play.

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Personally I think we should avoid duels most of the time. Use duels if there are two major suspects with large bandwagons on them (as in this situation)

[ULC]

If everyone is so pro duel, then why isn't there a tie? Oh, wait, it'd rely on my vote, and you all know I'll see Iggy dead before myself if given the chance, and no duel would take place. You've all conveniently voted yourselves into a situation in which there will be no duel.

[dcmort93]

what if I abstain again????

[Zack]

If everyone is so pro duel, then why isn't there a tie? Oh, wait, it'd rely on my vote, and you all know I'll see Iggy dead before myself if given the chance, and no duel would take place. You've all conveniently voted yourselves into a situation in which there will be no duel.

Unvote, Vote: Ignoramus

Does that solve it?

[Frozen In Ice]

Us changing our votes won't get us a tie as long as YLC is present until the deadline. So if there isn't going to be a tie, then the town needs to decisively choose between YLC and Ignoramus. It isn't too late for us to switch if we wish...

[Nightbringer]

YLC, I really want to believe you, I honestly don't see you as mafia, and you're convincing me of your innocence, but I can;t do anything about it and at the same time i know you are a good player and could be putting all this on to throw us off.


I think at this point it is believed by everyone that iggy is a power role of some sort, so can anyone see a downside to him revealing at this point? the sith can already guess he is a pro town power role if he is not sith. to negate him lying as sith, he would have to post his role pm, so we can check it to see if it is fishy.

I'm not sure this is a good idea, im just putting it out there to see how others react / what they think

[ULC]

Vote: Ignoramus

14/13, Iggy.

[Zack]

Vote: Ignoramus

14/13, Iggy.

*sigh*

I personally think Ignoramus is a slightly better case, so meh.