Star Wars: Fall of the Order [Concluded]

[Nightbringer]

Vote: Ignoramus

14/13, Iggy.

LOL,
whatever ends up happening, you have style YLC, I like that.

[naut]

Haven't we gone over this before. A TIE ONLY BENEFITS THE SITH. How does a tie benefit us in this situation? Both here are reasonable lynches, both are good choices, pick one ore the other.

FoS: God Emperor, Frozen In Ice and Seon .

[seireikhaan]

C'mon people, what'd I just say? Tie it up again, and make YLC make a choice.

[ULC]

C'mon people, what'd I just say? Tie it up again, and make YLC make a choice.

You're not very subtle are you Khaan? If you want me dead, then say so, stop trying to hide it under the guise of achieving a tie.

[Death is yonder]

Considering what you have just said prior to your sudden vote switch YLC, I will take this sudden move to kill off Ignoramus instead of letting yourself die as you mentioned previously as a strong indication of guilt.

I recommend more votes be piled on YLC rather than a tie with Ignoramus, the sudden change of heart considering his prior "oh noes I rather let myself die because I'm just a lowly initiate" is just eyebrow raising.

Unless you'd care to explain YLC?

[naut]

C'mon people, what'd I just say? Tie it up again, and make YLC make a choice.

Wait, didn't you say don't tie originally? Or was it don't change the tie?

unFOS: Frozen and God Emperor, reading their posts again, they're misguided, but not scummy.

MASSIVE FOS: dcmort93 Holy smokes, scummier than a pond full of dead fish, green algae and a family of toads.

[Death is yonder]

Because I'll lose? I have no idea as to Iggy's role, I just know it is better then mine, because why other would he care? Honestly, really giving up would be simply walking away - I'm not, I'll be here when I'm dead and contribute after.

I've explained myself repeatedly, again, and again. No one is satisfied with what I have to say and is actively against my opinion. I've said I am doomed no matter what I do, at least that is what I believe in. I'd rather go with the least damage done to the town.

Behavior - he may claim otherwise, but He's virtually absent from mafia until this game and now clings to it. He is doing something or believes he is going to do something - so I suspect whatever rank obtains a lightsaber. I'm an initiate, with 2 avoidance abilities, and no lightsaber skill. The tally is against me anyway period, so there isn't much I can do about - for instance, I can't seem to satisfy Zack with any answer I give him, who doesn't seem to get that I am doing what I think is best for the town based upon what I believe.

Let me put in caps - IGGY IS NOT GETTING LYNCHED, AND I WILL LOSE IN A DUEL, WHICH WILL REVEAL INFORMATION TO THE MAFIA. THE BEST OPTION, DESPITE THE FACT I DO NOT LIKE IT, SO JUST OUTRIGHT DIE. LESSER OF TWO EVILS!

I don't like duels. I honestly think they hurt the town. I am going to lose to Iggy, so unless Iggy is outright lynched, he goes free. I can prefer myself as much as I want, but if I am to choose between revealing Iggy's fighting style and possible abilities AND dying, or just simply dying, the choice is rather logical, don't you think.

mmm... YLC

Edit:

To sum it up, YLC basically says that he'd rather die than Ignoramus because he knows that he himself is but a lowly initiate, and that Ignoramus's commitment level which is unusual to him speaks of a possibly pro-town role (without mentioning that it could be a sith role which is one of the cases on him) and that between the two of them, YLC would rather die because he can still contribute to the town, and Ignoramus will be safe and sound.

His sudden change of heart away from this reasoning is highly disconcerting and troubling.

[seireikhaan]

Wait, didn't you say don't tie originally? Or was it don't change the tie?

unFOS: Frozen and God Emperor, reading their posts again, they're misguided, but not scummy.

MASSIVE FOS: dcmort93 Holy smokes, scummier than a pond full of dead fish, green algae and a family of toads.

Well, the original point was to keep it not a tie, since YLC had taken his vote off. Basically, if YLC has his vote on Iggy, keep it a tie, if he takes it anywhere else, keep YLC at one more than Iggy. Since YLC has his vote on Iggy now, tie it up. Both have acted very scummy, and its annoying, because it keeps attention off Dcmort.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So yeah, ummmm

The day ends in slightly over 24 hours from now, lest we forget this day started 12 hours ago.

[dcmort93]

look if you want me dead you'll need to vig me because I have force breath. Chances are I'll die the next night unless the sith just suck hardcore

[naut]

Well, the original point was to keep it not a tie, since YLC had taken his vote off. Basically, if YLC has his vote on Iggy, keep it a tie, if he takes it anywhere else, keep YLC at one more than Iggy. Since YLC has his vote on Iggy now, tie it up. Both have acted very scummy, and its annoying, because it keeps attention off Dcmort.

To sum it up, YLC basically says that he'd rather die than Ignoramus because he knows that he himself is but a lowly initiate, and that Ignoramus's commitment level which is unusual to him speaks of a possibly pro-town role (without mentioning that it could be a sith role which is one of the cases on him) and that between the two of them, YLC would rather die because he can still contribute to the town, and Ignoramus will be safe and sound.

His sudden change of heart away from this reasoning is highly disconcerting and troubling.

Actually makes, a boatload and a half of sense. I have glandular fever, so my brain is fried, trying to follow logic unless it is 150% clear is pretty much impossible. =(

Unvote; Vote: YLC.

I don't like ties, but, I'm willing to make a compromise here.

[God Emperor]

unFOS: Frozen and God Emperor, reading their posts again, they're misguided, but not scummy.

I might have missed something since you can point the wish for a tie down as misguided. Could you tell me why it is that town has NO gain of a tie in this situation?

In this situation we have two people; one who will be lynched today, and one who will be lynched tomorrow, if we look at the number of votes they have. If a duel suggest that Ignoramus is an important Jedi, well then he will end up dead, slain by the mafia. If the duel does not suggest this, then he will be lynched.
In other words, a duel could in theory save the life of an important power role, for some days perhaps. So why is it so absurd to wish for a tie?

Edit: or perhaps I am wrong? it's getting very late... Yes I am wrong.. please disregard this. If he is an important role he would claim his abilities before a grand bandwagon on him alone occured. . .

[Beskar]

Ignoring me is a bad idea. You will soon realise I am the towns greatest asset.

[naut]

look if you want me dead you'll need to vig me because I have force breath. Chances are I'll die the next night unless the sith just suck hardcore

Force Breath means they will keep you alive to waste two lynches. Not helpful at all. NOT HELPFUL.

PEOPLE. IF YOU HAVE FORCE BREATH KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.

[ULC]

mmm... YLC

Edit:

To sum it up, YLC basically says that he'd rather die than Ignoramus because he knows that he himself is but a lowly initiate, and that Ignoramus's commitment level which is unusual to him speaks of a possibly pro-town role (without mentioning that it could be a sith role which is one of the cases on him) and that between the two of them, YLC would rather die because he can still contribute to the town, and Ignoramus will be safe and sound.

His sudden change of heart away from this reasoning is highly disconcerting and troubling.

I thought I explained this...I do not know Iggys' role, but I know mine, and thus I put my life abve his and if given the opportunity will vote for Iggy if Iggy is to be lynched. My reasoning for insuring that I die instead of tying it up is because that'd reveal more information to the Sith, which I do not want to do, and in which a duel I know Iggy will win.

Also, HoS: DIY, for calling me an Initiate. I'd like to show me where I called myself an initiate.

[dcmort93]

so then you either believe I'm innocent or you wast to lynches and get what the mafia wants

[Csargo]

Ignoring me is a bad idea. You will soon realise I am the towns greatest asset.

No, I am the towns greatest asset.

I think YLC has shown he's a better lynch than Ignoramus. :)

[naut]

so then you either believe I'm innocent or you wast to lynches and get what the mafia wants

No. You are acting scummy. Therefore likely Sith. But, now you've revealed you have force breath, if I'm infact wrong and you are Jedi it isn't helpful at all to have revealed that information because you will be left around until the end game as lynchbait, muddying the water and making harder to find the real Sith. What is called an unhelpful townie.

[dcmort93]

No. You are acting scummy. Therefore likely Sith. But, now you've revealed you have force breath, if I'm infact wrong and you are Jedi it isn't helpful at all to have revealed that information because you will be left around until the end game as lynchbait, muddying the water and making harder to find the real Sith. What is called an unhelpful townie.

my firend you are looking at this with the glass half empty. I may stick around till the end giving the town and extra vote when the time comes

[Ignoramus]

Also, HoS: DIY, for calling me an Initiate. I'd like to show me where I called myself an initiate.

Behavior - he may claim otherwise, but He's virtually absent from mafia until this game and now clings to it. He is doing something or believes he is going to do something - so I suspect whatever rank obtains a lightsaber. I'm an initiate, with 2 avoidance abilities, and no lightsaber skill. The tally is against me anyway period, so there isn't much I can do about - for instance, I can't seem to satisfy Zack with any answer I give him, who doesn't seem to get that I am doing what I think is best for the town based upon what I believe.

Gone, YLC.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

look if you want me dead you'll need to vig me because I have force breath. Chances are I'll die the next night unless the sith just suck hardcore

What do you mean by "unless the sith just suck hardcore"?

[pevergreen]

I have no issue with you anymore Diamondeye. I took your comment about having the feeling to defend TinCow as defensive of a position you had taken the previous day when actually you'd made no comment on Rebel Jeb/TinCow at all. You skimmed/I took your comment as referring to a previous post that never existed, and never bothered to check up. We're even.

For your last question, I speculated that *maybe* he would get an unusual result on non-top-dog Siths and possibly third parties -- something like "not recruitable, but stinks of the Dark Side". If he ever does, I'd suggest making such results public.

For the other possible results, I expect "not recuitable/light side" to indicate an incorruptible townie, possibly high level Siths with some sort of godfather-ish power, possibly third parties with the same. I'd expect "recruitable/dark side" to indicate corruptible townies and possibly some third parties, and even potentially ALSO some Sith, depending on to what extent they are able to fool investigations.

Finally, given the fluidity of powers in this game, I'd suggest that repeat scans on suspects might occasionally be useful -- if the result ever changes on someone, that should be reason to suspect they might have been recruited, or upgraded their anti-investigator powers in the interim.

And of course, pevergreen could keep track of who's been scanned as corruptible or not (and who the investigator is, in each case).

Yeah i'm pretty much doing that. I believe there is a number of different levels of scans, each more effective. However, there is (was last game) a way to be invisible to them, and it was a pro town and sith ability.

vote:Ignoramus

(checks role pm)

You can congratulate me for killing pevergreen last night.

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Congratulations, Sasaki. Someone had to do it...

my firend you are looking at this with the glass half empty. I may stick around till the end giving the town and extra vote when the time comes

My experience with townies like you is you stick around, then vote wrong.
Kinda like the Caius effect or something.

[dcmort93]

What do you mean by "unless the sith just suck hardcore"?

as in suck @ dueling

[ULC]

Gone, YLC.

Oi, forgot I had actually said that I retract my suspicion of DIY, I jut wish now he had included it in his statement about me.

Either or Unvote:Ignoramus

I win no matter what you guys do, you're just making this too fun.

EDIT: Gah, it was in the post - I just skimmed it because since I write it, I didn't think I needed to read it again, lol.

[Chaotix]

Ok. I'm busy this weekend and will not have a whole lot of time to contribute to discussion, but rest assured I am at least reading it.

Personally, I think this tie is a bad idea, because in a tie it is possible that neither one of them dies (due to Force Alter Damage), and clearly we wouldn't be voting for them if we wanted them to survive. In the (admittedly rare) case that they are both Sith- and YLC certainly seems like a suicidal apprentice trying to save the master- then one or both of them can use Alter Damage and keep both of them alive.

So, these duels are a bad idea unless we KNOW that:
-Our target has Force Breath (presumably it will kill through that).
-We have a strong fighter to duel this suspect and win.

NEVER try to duel two suspected Sith.

Vote: Ignoramus

I'm breaking the tie. Personally I don't think it's a good idea. We will have vigilantes and other days to get rid of YLC.

EDIT: Not cool, YLC.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well we have 24 hours to pile votes on ignoramus.

[Chaotix]

Unvote, Vote: YLC

Doesn't matter which one we get rid of as long as there's no tie.

Ignoramus- You had BETTER reveal to pevergreen ASAP or else you're still under major suspicion.

[Ignoramus]

Unvote, Vote: YLC

Doesn't matter which one we get rid of as long as there's no tie.

Ignoramus- You had BETTER reveal to pevergreen ASAP or else you're still under major suspicion.

Can I reveal my role to him?

[Seon]

Yes.

P.S.: Don't send the Role PM though.

[Chaotix]

Can I reveal my role to him?

Yes, he's for all intents and purposes a living character, only he can't be lynched/killed/acted upon- he can send and receive PMs.