Star Wars: Fall of the Order [Concluded]

[Andres]

I'm not positive but I would be very surprised if atpg made a way a mafia could be turned townie and didn't have a rule that forbids him from revealing his former compatriots. He might be refusing because he has to.

It wouldn't be a good idea to have a former Sith playing for the Jedi later on in the game, regardless of restrictions in the new role pm.

In fact, it doesn't make any sense to have a mechanic that converts mafia to town in a mafia game where you have a minority of scum and a majority of town that needs to find out who the few scumbags are. It just doesn't make any sense at all to have a former mafiosi playing for town.

And yes, I could be wrong and there could be some weird, strange game mechanic and a twist invented by a creative host and all that, but most of the time, the most simple explanation is the correct one.

In short: Beskar is a resurrected Sith so there's 99 % probability that he's scum. And that's exactly why I'm interested to know why Sasaki of all people does not want to see Beskar lynched. Being a replacement is no guarantee for being innocent, so Sasaki should be watched as closely as any other player.

[pevergreen]

TC and anyone else who was worried about the legality of my info: Cleared with GH, khaan and Pizza.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Please consult with the Gameroom Mods about this ASAP. Specifically, talk to GH, since he's not playing in this game.

No rulebreak has occurred.

[Jarema]

Vote: Sigurd

As I said before:
I. Must. Obey. My. Master.

[Beskar]

Vote: Ignoramus

Sigurd is a bad choice.

[Sigurd]

Beskar will be dealt with in the same manner as last time. We need to lynch the Dark Lord of the Sith pronto.
vote: Ignoramus

The Sith should not be allowed to grow strong. Only by culling them will the light side prevail in the end game.

[naut]

@ Jarema: You need to unvote before you can re-vote.

[TinCow]

It wouldn't be a good idea to have a former Sith playing for the Jedi later on in the game, regardless of restrictions in the new role pm.

In fact, it doesn't make any sense to have a mechanic that converts mafia to town in a mafia game where you have a minority of scum and a majority of town that needs to find out who the few scumbags are. It just doesn't make any sense at all to have a former mafiosi playing for town.

And yes, I could be wrong and there could be some weird, strange game mechanic and a twist invented by a creative host and all that, but most of the time, the most simple explanation is the correct one.

In short: Beskar is a resurrected Sith so there's 99 % probability that he's scum. And that's exactly why I'm interested to know why Sasaki of all people does not want to see Beskar lynched. Being a replacement is no guarantee for being innocent, so Sasaki should be watched as closely as any other player.

QFT

[Jarema]

Thanks, Psychonaut

unvote;
vote: Sigurd


Sigurd, won't you at least try to defend youself?

[robbiecon]

Ah yes, pevergreen, I see that you are indeed a force ghost, very well. I will still remain with my vote upon Ignoramus, but I understand why people are coming to you with information.

[Sigurd]

Thanks, Psychonaut

unvote;
vote: Sigurd


Sigurd, won't you at least try to defend youself?

Defend myself? Why would I need to defend myself against an accusation of nothing? Beskar is Sith, Ignoramus is Sith and yet somone is selling bad intel to our resident ghost. Could it be any more complicated to see the light between the cracks of that logic?

[naut]

Argh. Something is completely off here. Where's someone very analytical like Renata or YLC when you need them?!

unvote; vote: Ignoramus

[Jarema]

Could it be any more complicated to see the light between the cracks of that logic?

Yes

[Sasaki Kojiro]

hmm I will stick with ignoramus.

@Andres: show me where I argued that we shouldn't lynch beskar, and wouldn't that be a futile and silly argument for sith to make? I am saying we should lynch someone else today, and that zack and people charging after beskar are scummy.

[Seon]

Unvote, Vote: Sigurd.

I got a bad vibe from that post.

[Andres]

Why was Ignoramus Sith again?

[Andres]

hmm I will stick with ignoramus.

@Andres: show me where I argued that we shouldn't lynch beskar, and wouldn't that be a futile and silly argument for sith to make? I am saying we should lynch someone else today, and that zack and people charging after beskar are scummy.

That's ridiculous. You're saying that people who want to lynch the guy who is very, very, very likely aka as good as certain scum, are scummy? That doesn't make sense.

[Andres]

Why? You've been wordier before. fos:zack

I need to give a reason to vote for a confirmed Sith?

Yes. Don't be evasive. There's half a dozen people voting ignoramus. This is very fishy of you.

There was nothing wrong with Zack's vote nor with his explanation afterwards. You're discouraging people to vote Beskar there. It doesn't make sense to discourage people to vote Beskar. Your first post in this round was also an attempt at avoiding a bandwagon against Beskar. To avoid a cascade of votes on Beskar, we should focus on others? Why should people avoid voting Beskar?

[Renata]

Argh. Something is completely off here. Where's someone very analytical like Renata or YLC when you need them?!

unvote; vote: Ignoramus

Doing home renovation. Argh. I probably won't be available until tomorrow. Won't be me figuring this one out.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That's ridiculous. You're saying that people who want to lynch the guy who is very, very, very likely aka as good as certain scum, are scummy? That doesn't make sense.

No. Isn't that obvious? How many of the people who are voting beskar have I called suspicious? People who want to lynch sith out of a townie instinct are not scummy, those who want to vote a sith to show off their townieness are, mafia 101.

[TinCow]

People who want to lynch sith out of a townie instinct are not scummy, those who want to vote a sith to show off their townieness are, mafia 101.

Point of fact; it's not "townie instinct" because Beskar has been confirmed as Sith by the host, and has also stated that, after being revived, he is still Sith. Beskar, by his own words, says there are currently two Sith alive, and he is one of them:

Well, it is pretty obvious I am the better choice to stay alive, I already said, it wasn't my Sith lord who revived me, and said about another faction pre-this incident. Whoever revived me, did it to distract the town away from themselves.

Even if you don't believe me that I want to take revenge on whoever first nighted me, there are other things to consider:

The Rule of Two - There is currently only me and my Master. So if you don't believe what I am saying about another faction, you deprive my Master of recruiting some one else and you get to block a known sith, severely limiting my faction. (or don't block me, and allow me to hunt down the Sith who killed me in the first place)

It wasn't my Master who revived me - If it wasn't him, who else would revive a Sith? I place my bets that it wasn't a Jedi who revived me, so I leave that up to you to find out, As for the timing of the incident, my money is on Ignoramus.

[Ironside]

Vote: Ignoramus

Seems to be too much waste to use resurrection on a sith for distraction, unless we were close to targeting one last round.

That's unless that info you got is really golden pever.

Beskar still needs to be taken down quickly, possibly with a vig kill? Or the lynch tomorrow.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I love bandwagons, have I told you guys that the Giants are my favorite baseball team? Also my favorite football team is the team that won the last Super Bowl. Vote; Siggy, Sigurd's alter ego who I suspect is really in control for the duration of this game.

BUT FoS: Renata. Home renovation? You know who also did a lot of home renovation? Darth Sideous. He had to pick out warm colors for every single bathroom on the Death Star, and there is only so many Earth tones to choose from before getting repetitive since there must have been thousands of bathrooms on that super structure. Now I am not saying that you have the same terrible taste as him (all metal with no drywall?), but what I am saying is that Jedi appreciate the world around them and Sith want to change the world around them including that ugly shade of green paint that has been in the dining room since the house was built in 1974.

I think we have more scum then we realize gentleman. I've got a bad feeling about this.

[Ironside]

Tincow, I think Beskar is refering to his own faction, someone killed him on night 1, and rereading the story, didn't know anything about Beskar being sith. And should only Beskar's master remain, that master got a massive killing power. There's 5 attacks (and 4 kills out of those) on night 3.

Edit:
Hm, it's more or less stated that the mysterious jedi killing Beskar is a sith. Changing codes and implied threats before knowing that Beskar was sith and then very quick with insults and aggressive.

I'm gonna call it: the Beskar killing, third faction is sith, thus it's at least two sith factions in this game.

[Csargo]

Why was Ignoramus Sith again?

Because he is.

Vote:Ignoramus

[TinCow]

Tincow, I think Beskar is refering to his own faction, someone killed him on night 1, and rereading the story, didn't know anything about Beskar being sith. And should only Beskar's master remain, that master got a massive killing power. There's 5 attacks (and 4 kills out of those) on night 3.

I'm not debating the question of whether Beskar should be lynched right now. There is merit to the idea of keeping Beskar alive as a known Sith for at least a short period, to prevent someone else from being recruited. While there are significant risks and complications for such a plan, the plan is legitimate and worth considering. What I am debating is Sasaki's statement that some people voting for Beskar without reason (notably, Zack) are scummy for doing so. Andres protested this, and I agree with Andres. While I agree with Sasaki that Sith are likely to support a Beskar lynch here, Beskar is so clearly scum that it is perfectly legit for townies to lodge votes on him as well without any commentary. Such votes are regular when someone is 'confirmed' scum, (it happened several times during my lynch) and I think it is utterly impossible to separate a Sith vote on Beskar from a townie vote. As such, I believe this discussion is useless WIFOM that distracts from far better cases.

[Beskar]

Tincow, I think Beskar is refering to his own faction, someone killed him on night 1, and rereading the story, didn't know anything about Beskar being sith. And should only Beskar's master remain, that master got a massive killing power. There's 5 attacks (and 4 kills out of those) on night 3.

No, there are other Sith factions. My master only has one kill power.

So if you account to one kill to my master, all those other kills (including my own killer) were not me or him, they were some one else. Some argued it is a 'jedi', but what kind of jedi runs around murdering everyone?

Any Jedi who murders another Jedi also becomes a 'Dark Jedi' (SK-role).

Also in my win conditions, even if me and my master die (and any recruits), we can still get a minor victory if the town loses. So if the town can lose even though we the supposedly only Sith in the game die... there is something else out there.

[TinCow]

No, there are other Sith factions.

How many other factions do you think there are? Do you think they are identical to your own (i.e. multiple teams of two Sith) or do they appear to be different in some manner?

[Beskar]

Edit:
Hm, it's more or less stated that the mysterious jedi killing Beskar is a sith. Changing codes and implied threats before knowing that Beskar was sith and then very quick with insults and aggressive.

I'm gonna call it: the Beskar killing, third faction is sith, thus it's at least two sith factions in this game.

Well, I already called it. But I am glad you see reason.

If anyone knows anything about me, I use the truth to my advantage. I rarely outright lie.

[a completely inoffensive name]

No, there are other Sith factions. My master only has one kill power.

So if you account to one kill to my master, all those other kills (including my own killer) were not me or him, they were some one else. Some argued it is a 'jedi', but what kind of jedi runs around murdering everyone?

Any Jedi who murders another Jedi also becomes a 'Dark Jedi' (SK-role).

Also in my win conditions, even if me and my master die (and any recruits), we can still get a minor victory if the town loses. So if the town can lose even though we the supposedly only Sith in the game die... there is something else out there.

Tell your master I'm bored and I have been sitting right here, waiting for a Sith to come up to me and go "Hey, dude want to join the Sith?". But so far, nobody has come up to me. You think given my reputation that the mafia would always try to recruit me because I would be down for it, but apparently I don't impress them enough. Even though I have a great mile run time and a good team spirit.

What more do you Sith want? Seriously, all of you PM me and tell me what you want.

For Jedi eyes only (seriously, dont't read this Sith):

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Don't worry guys, it's all part of my plan. When they all PM me, I'm gonna hit them with the Force Breath I have and win the game.