Star Wars: Fall of the Order [Concluded]

[Frozen In Ice]

Unvote, Vote: Diana Abnoba After what Ignoramus said I want to hear from her.

[Chaotix]

I strongly urge you to vote for Diana Abnoba. I scanned her tonight and was told she was using an active ability. Given the suspicion that she's already generated, that's good enough for me.

Let's get her to explain herself.

Vote: Diana Abnoba

Ignoramus- not to say that Diana hasn't been acting odd, but an active ability is hardly cause for suspicion. Most players at Knight level or higher have active abilities by now.

If Andres idea is correct, I'm only in danger of becoming part of the Dark Side if I continue killing people. And as I have promised I did not kill last night, merely investigated and protected. I will send the results to pever after this post. (No sense in exposing a likely innocent)
Also I wonder why I am being put under such scrutiny for attacking two people, when there is another vigilante that attacked far more people than I did. By this logic, he should be the prime suspect.

I will restate my vote from yesterday and Vote: Wideyedwanderer.

2 things:
-The other vigilante (I assume you mean the purple lightsaber one, because I think there were more) killed a Sith twice. You have killed more innocents, and you have used Force Lightning, a Dark side power. Clearly you are already Dark Side.
-Your identity is known to the town. The other vigilante's is not, and perhaps he would be under suspicion too if we knew his identity. But again, he's killing Sith and you're not.

And regardless of whether or not you meant to kill innocents in the first place, what you have done has brought you under the influence of the Dark Side. You are no longer working in the best interests of the town.

[seireikhaan]

Unvote, vote: Chaotix

So assertive. So confident. So.... scummy.

[Ironside]

Vote: Wideyedwanderer

His sudden activity burst did feel odd.

Jooray is at least contained for now, and it does feels doubtful that he have joined mr purple saber after tonight.

Chaotix, could you please point out the case on remake20, mr purple saber's latest dying victim? Ourside from being lurking?
Mr purple saber really feels like a serial killer with a thin excuse of sith hunting.

The double attack on Death is yonder is interesting, since the attackers doesn't seem to cooperate. If that's the case, I'm leaning towards this being evidence for two separate sith factions.

[Skooma Addict]

To be honest, I thought his post was pretty reasonable, but I don't think Joooray should eat up any votes as of right now. He's a wild Jedi on a short leash. He'll behave from now on.

Vote: Wideyedwanderer is more interesting to me, as is Beefy.

fos: Beefy Monster

[TinCow]

I tried to explain my reasoning last day. I know now it wasn't a very good idea, but I saw little other chance to differentiate from the Sith actions during the night.

I believe your reasoning completely. Killing townies doesn't tend to prove innocence though.

I strongly urge you to vote for Diana Abnoba. I scanned her tonight and was told she was using an active ability. Given the suspicion that she's already generated, that's good enough for me.

Please explain how using an activy ability is scummy.

[Chaotix]

Vote: Wideyedwanderer

His sudden activity burst did feel odd.

Jooray is at least contained for now, and it does feels doubtful that he have joined mr purple saber after tonight.

Chaotix, could you please point out the case on remake20, mr purple saber's latest dying victim? Ourside from being lurking?
Mr purple saber really feels like a serial killer with a thin excuse of sith hunting.

The double attack on Death is yonder is interesting, since the attackers doesn't seem to cooperate. If that's the case, I'm leaning towards this being evidence for two separate sith factions.

I'm not defending the other vigilante. I'm saying that Joooray is just as bad, or worse.
The purple lightsaber vigilante has killed Sith in addition to innocents, but Joooray has only gone after innocents so far.

Basically, I'm saying Joooray is saying "But he was doing it too!" and then using it as his defense. That kind of reasoning doesn't make Joooray any less guilty, he's just trying to shift blame on someone we don't know and therefore can't lynch even if we want to.

[pevergreen]

I'm not defending the other vigilante. I'm saying that Joooray is just as bad, or worse.
The purple lightsaber vigilante has killed Sith in addition to innocents, but Joooray has only gone after innocents so far.

Basically, I'm saying Joooray is saying "But he was doing it too!" and then using it as his defense. That kind of reasoning doesn't make Joooray any less guilty, he's just trying to shift blame on someone we don't know and therefore can't lynch even if we want to.

Ignore the purple vigilante, I've got his every move covered.

I think that Joooray is currently not a credible threat. I still believe his victory conditions align with ours.

I say we ignore Ig/Joooray and look at some new people. Frozen, or Diana. Either is good.

[Death is yonder]

The double attack on Death is yonder is interesting, since the attackers doesn't seem to cooperate. If that's the case, I'm leaning towards this being evidence for two separate sith factions.

As a matter of fact, if pever can confirm that one of my attackers was not a vigilante that he knows about, this is very compelling evidence indeed that there may be two anti-town factions or something similar (not say two sith factions, that may be nonsense cooked up by Beskar)

Datian Guus was returning to his quarters after his shift, heading down one of the many long, barely-illuminated corridors in the bowels of the ship. He turned a corner and noticed a cloaked figure standing at the far end of the hall, and immediately ducked back behind the corner, and began to mask his force presence. That's when he looked back and saw another cloaked figure rounding the corner and heading in his direction from the opposite side.

Here their independence is ambiguous but still plausible, were they coming from two different sides because they were working together and seeking to corner me, or were they from two different sides because they weren't working together?

First cloaked figure: That's a real shame....

Second cloaked figure: Well, this is unexpected.


The first cloaked figure noticed the second one approaching, but retained its focus on Datian Guus.

By the phrasing of these three statements, one can tell immediately that the previous quotation was due to their independence, for not only does the word "unexpected" imply that they definitely aren't working together, the addition of a phrase at the end "but retained its focus", as if they would normally be enemies and not friends.

Lastly, should the two have been cooperating, they would have attacked together, rather than the second cloaked figure waiting for the first to flee the scene before unleashing his power. Moreover, their manner of speech, of arrogance and being self assured in their own power highly suggests that they aren't jedi vigging people.

Conclusion: Unless pever can attest to one of my attackers being a vigilante which I highly doubt, my attackers are living proof that we have either two sith factions, or for that matter since we don't really know, two independent mafia factions. [or the off chance that there's a serial killer about or something]

Just some food for thought, don't know if pever's figured this already with the information available to him

[wideyedwanderer]

vote: wideeyedwonderer for no activity and lack of WOG even after the rest of the lurkers have been replaced

No activity? Though I have missed a few days, I have voted enough to keep me off of ATPG's WoG list. Less active players have yet to be WoG'd. If you had bothered to check, you would have noticed this. But you didn't, perhaps because you are looking to draw attention away from yourself and your fellow mafia? Either that, it's just a lazy accusation.

Did anyone bother to read my defense? Since it appears to have gone overlooked, I will reiterate. It would be a very bad move by any mafia to increase in activity after having been inactive in the beginning (I was inactive because I was unaware the game had started, and after that, I just missed a few day phases because I tend to be more active on twc atm), thus my activity would be better off considered as a sign of my Innocence.

Nightbringer has been very active against me, but has no reasons except for, "He was inactive, now he is active." It is rather disturbing that the town is this desperate for a target that they are following his lead.

I will repeat: If you want to eliminate me through lynch, you will have to do it twice, since I have the force breath and will survive 1 lynch.

I don't care if I am eliminated, since I'd rather focus on playing in one forum rather than 3, but I must do my part to help the town, and discourage you from wasting 2 days of lynches on me. But if the majority of you are so excited to lynch me, and feel you have no better target atm, I will gladly take one for the team, especially since I am only a padawan, and I have no useful information.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote, vote:chaotix

[Nightbringer]

No activity? Though I have missed a few days, I have voted enough to keep me off of ATPG's WoG list. Less active players have yet to be WoG'd. If you had bothered to check, you would have noticed this. But you didn't, perhaps because you are looking to draw attention away from yourself and your fellow mafia? Either that, it's just a lazy accusation.

Did anyone bother to read my defense? Since it appears to have gone overlooked, I will reiterate. It would be a very bad move by any mafia to increase in activity after having been inactive in the beginning (I was inactive because I was unaware the game had started, and after that, I just missed a few day phases because I tend to be more active on twc atm), thus my activity would be better off considered as a sign of my Innocence.

Nightbringer has been very active against me, but has no reasons except for, "He was inactive, now he is active." It is rather disturbing that the town is this desperate for a target that they are following his lead.

I will repeat: If you want to eliminate me through lynch, you will have to do it twice, since I have the force breath and will survive 1 lynch.

I don't care if I am eliminated, since I'd rather focus on playing in one forum rather than 3, but I must do my part to help the town, and discourage you from wasting 2 days of lynches on me. But if the majority of you are so excited to lynch me, and feel you have no better target atm, I will gladly take one for the team, especially since I am only a padawan, and I have no useful information.

I actually agree with you that it is a little odd just how many people are jumping on board with this, and there may be a few of this supposed third faction among them. However, I do not want people to misinterpret my case against you. It is not that you were inactive and then you were, it is that you were inactive until the very hour it was brought up, from which point on you have become quite active.

Your argument for your activity proving your innocence is exactly what you would try to say if you were sith and had messed up, so it cannot be trusted. Your claim of force breath is likewise a simple attempt that a sith would make to deter a vote.

Your claim that you were simply not on this board does not make sense given the fact that you had been on a number of times before my post, and IMMEDIATELY responded to my accusations. All I can say is i might be wrong, but your actions perfectly match those of a sith trying to cover his mistake.

pever, do you have any info on WeW?

[Beefy187]

Ignoramus- not to say that Diana hasn't been acting odd, but an active ability is hardly cause for suspicion. Most players at Knight level or higher have active abilities by now.

I don't have any active abilities.
Unvote, Vote: Chaotix

[Askthepizzaguy]

Diana Abnoba: (6) Seon, Autolycus, God Emperor, Jarema, Ignoramus, Frozen in Ice
WEW: (6) Nightbringer, Renata, Joooray, Yaropolk, Ironside, Skooma Addict

Joooray: (4) Kagemusha, Tincow, Chaotix, Slysnake

Chaotix: (3) Beefy187, Yaseikhaan, Sasaki

Sasaki Kojiro2: (2) Robbiecon, Diamondeye

Frozen in Ice: (1) pever,



Not enough voters to end the round yet.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The chaotix wagon is the only wagon without ignoramus, jooray, or chaotix on it which is not on someone awesome or started by pever who I'm going to appeal to the popular sentiment from his claim that sigurd was sith to discredit for the sake of completeness.

So.

[naut]

Diana? She's often quiet, doesn't mean anything, weak reasoning.

[Chaotix]

The chaotix wagon is the only wagon without ignoramus, jooray, or chaotix on it which is not on someone awesome or started by pever who I'm going to appeal to the popular sentiment from his claim that sigurd was sith to discredit for the sake of completeness.

So.

And yet, for all that, there is no case. Just saying you want me dead would have sufficed equally, Sasaki.

If I were to drop Joooray, I would go for either Frozen or Beefy, but neither of them have enough votes to warrant me changing my own.

[Cecil XIX]

Sticking with vote:wideyedwonderer for now.

[pevergreen]

pever, do you have any info on WeW?

Nope

Conclusion: Unless pever can attest to one of my attackers being a vigilante which I highly doubt, my attackers are living proof that we have either two sith factions, or for that matter since we don't really know, two independent mafia factions. [or the off chance that there's a serial killer about or something]

Just some food for thought, don't know if pever's figured this already with the information available to him

As I've been saying, I've believed there were two different factions for quite a while. All known jedi with attacking powers were accounted for last night. Even joooray decided to let me know what he was up to. Investigating Ig.

The chaotix wagon is the only wagon without ignoramus, jooray, or chaotix on it which is not on someone awesome or started by pever who I'm going to appeal to the popular sentiment from his claim that sigurd was sith to discredit for the sake of completeness.

So.

Ouch, that hurts.

[wideyedwanderer]

I actually agree with you that it is a little odd just how many people are jumping on board with this, and there may be a few of this supposed third faction among them. However, I do not want people to misinterpret my case against you. It is not that you were inactive and then you were, it is that you were inactive until the very hour it was brought up, from which point on you have become quite active.

Your argument for your activity proving your innocence is exactly what you would try to say if you were sith and had messed up, so it cannot be trusted. Your claim of force breath is likewise a simple attempt that a sith would make to deter a vote.

Your claim that you were simply not on this board does not make sense given the fact that you had been on a number of times before my post, and IMMEDIATELY responded to my accusations. All I can say is i might be wrong, but your actions perfectly match those of a sith trying to cover his mistake.

pever, do you have any info on WeW?

If I were Sith, I would not have renewed my activity. Absolutely no one besides you found my lack of activity suspicious at the time. I was not under any pressure. If I hadn't replied, it is likely your accusation would have gotten lost in the Joooray and Ignoramous cases. I chose to reply then and there because I have nothing to hide.

My claim that I wasn't on this board does indeed make sense if you had looked at my log-in times. I logged in right after ATPG's write up, but because I hadn't been paying enough attention to this game, I didn't know who to vote for, thus I decided to wait before casting my vote. Those who have played in games with me and had paid close attention to when I cast my votes would realize that I've done this quite often, regardless of my alignment.

As I said before, I had a nasty habit of missing the day phases and logging in at night when posting was closed. If I were mafia, and I had been following this game all along, I would not have failed to post/vote earlier. I am no longer new to mafia, and have played in and won as mafia before. I would not have made such a drastic mistake. Let's keep in mind that mafia generally don't miss votes, but instead lay low.

Because you are suspicious of my force breath claim, and not wrongfully so, go ahead and lynch me to prove it.

Vote: wideyedwanderer.

[Diana Abnoba]

Wow, you guys really don't know how to read me do you. So many times when I'm townie, you all want to lynch me. I'm not as active in this game because of RL as I have stated before. And as for the active power I was using last night, I have been using that power since the beginning of the game. It is a protection on one player each night. So it may not be a good idea to lynch me.

Vote: WEW because I get a scum vibe from him, and also to save myself.

[Link]

Sorry pizza, but I'd like to be replaced if possible.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sorry pizza, but I'd like to be replaced if possible.

Very well; here's hoping it is the last of its kind.

[wideyedwanderer]

Wow, you guys really don't know how to read me do you. So many times when I'm townie, you all want to lynch me. I'm not as active in this game because of RL as I have stated before. And as for the active power I was using last night, I have been using that power since the beginning of the game. It is a protection on one player each night. So it may not be a good idea to lynch me.

Vote: WEW because I get a scum vibe from him, and also to save myself.

Have you even read my posts? You usually make much more thought out accusations than this. I know you're busier now than before, so this is either a lazy accusation, or a scummy defense.

[naut]

Vote: Chaotix

Best lynch candidate there is viable today.

[wideyedwanderer]

Wow, you guys really don't know how to read me do you. So many times when I'm townie, you all want to lynch me. I'm not as active in this game because of RL as I have stated before. And as for the active power I was using last night, I have been using that power since the beginning of the game. It is a protection on one player each night. So it may not be a good idea to lynch me.

Vote: WEW because I get a scum vibe from him, and also to save myself.

I'd like to add to what I said in my last post. After all the accusations on you, all you can say is, "You guys don't know how to read me?"

[Ignoramus]

Wow, you guys really don't know how to read me do you. So many times when I'm townie, you all want to lynch me. I'm not as active in this game because of RL as I have stated before. And as for the active power I was using last night, I have been using that power since the beginning of the game. It is a protection on one player each night. So it may not be a good idea to lynch me.

Vote: WEW because I get a scum vibe from him, and also to save myself.

I'm happy to change my vote if you reveal to pever and he is satisfied.

[Captain Blackadder]

Vote Chaotix

I believe WEW. I don't believe that is is sith at least not right now. Whilst he may become one latter. I do not think he has been going out killing people.

[Nightbringer]

If I were Sith, I would not have renewed my activity. Absolutely no one besides you found my lack of activity suspicious at the time. I was not under any pressure. If I hadn't replied, it is likely your accusation would have gotten lost in the Joooray and Ignoramous cases. I chose to reply then and there because I have nothing to hide.

My claim that I wasn't on this board does indeed make sense if you had looked at my log-in times. I logged in right after ATPG's write up, but because I hadn't been paying enough attention to this game, I didn't know who to vote for, thus I decided to wait before casting my vote. Those who have played in games with me and had paid close attention to when I cast my votes would realize that I've done this quite often, regardless of my alignment.

As I said before, I had a nasty habit of missing the day phases and logging in at night when posting was closed. If I were mafia, and I had been following this game all along, I would not have failed to post/vote earlier. I am no longer new to mafia, and have played in and won as mafia before. I would not have made such a drastic mistake. Let's keep in mind that mafia generally don't miss votes, but instead lay low.

Because you are suspicious of my force breath claim, and not wrongfully so, go ahead and lynch me to prove it.

Vote: wideyedwanderer.

I do feel inclined to believe you WeW, but at the same time everything you are saying could be very artfully crafted scum.

The real kicker to me voting you is i really dont believe that either iggy or jooray are sith, the case against diana is the same as the one on you but weaker, and i dont even know what the supposed case on chaotix is. os basically i am voting for you because i have seen a case to be made for you being sith when there is no other candidate in my opinion.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

And yet, for all that, there is no case. Just saying you want me dead would have sufficed equally, Sasaki.

What a conveniently deficient memory you have. It seems like just yesterday you were acknowledging the worth of my accusation in an attempt to deflect it.

Ouch, that hurts.

for the sake of completeness!