Dual Alliances: Double Jeopardy 6.3

[Nightbringer]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=377824

however, i have no clue where to get the "disable real recruitment submod".
also, just TONIGHT my kingdoms disk stopped working, so im going to have to go buy a new one tomorrow so i can play the game. sigh...
this will be the third copy ive bought since the game came out, they should jsut give me an extra one at this point.

[Swarbs]

however, i have no clue where to get the "disable real recruitment submod".

It's included in the game. Run the file SS_setup.exe in the SS6.3/mods directory. Choose Early Era Campaign, and then select the "Disable Real Recruitment" check box. Also select one of the three AIs. Triforce, can you confirm which one we're using?

[Nightbringer]

It's included in the game. Run the file SS_setup.exe in the SS6.3/mods directory. Choose Early Era Campaign, and then select the "Disable Real Recruitment" check box. Also select one of the three AIs. Triforce, can you confirm which one we're using?

its savage ai.
for some reason i dont have that checkbox. but i also know that it is a broken option because it results in some units never appearing in the game.
okay, i got my game working, but i still dont see the disable RR option and im not sure we really want to use it.

finally, the save is kingdoms patch 1.4, not many of us still have that patch i think. im willing to just give up my spot if im causing trouble but im not going to be able to go down to 1.4, maybe we could play 1.5?

[TriforceV]

its savage ai.
for some reason i dont have that checkbox. but i also know that it is a broken option because it results in some units never appearing in the game.
okay, i got my game working, but i still dont see the disable RR option and im not sure we really want to use it.

finally, the save is kingdoms patch 1.4, not many of us still have that patch i think. im willing to just give up my spot if im causing trouble but im not going to be able to go down to 1.4, maybe we could play 1.5?

off to a rough start I see.
Don't worry Nightbringer, we will get this thing rolling, after the bumps are smoothed out.

First of all I think the problem with Kingdoms Patch 1.4 is my fault as I forgot to update it to 1.5.
Second of all, I think I'll just scrap the "Disable Real Recruitment", if it really does cause problems.

[Nightbringer]

off to a rough start I see.
Don't worry Nightbringer, we will get this thing rolling, after the bumps are smoothed out.

First of all I think the problem with Kingdoms Patch 1.4 is my fault as I forgot to update it to 1.5.
Second of all, I think I'll just scrap the "Disable Real Recruitment", if it really does cause problems.

As far as i know it does, i think all it does is disable the script, meaning that units which are only made available by the script (late units) never become available. with the script they arnt available until the late years of the game but i havent seen any submod that makes them available when you have just built a high level building.

basically, i think just leaving it on is our best bet.

[TriforceV]

Alright Nightbringer
Here is your new turn -

France

[Swarbs]

As far as i know it does, i think all it does is disable the script, meaning that units which are only made available by the script (late units) never become available. with the script they arnt available until the late years of the game but i havent seen any submod that makes them available when you have just built a high level building.

It's actually a bit different from that. Real Recruitment is designed so that the majority of units in the game are triggered by various events, usually those related to the development of new armour or gunpowder. When one of these events occurs, new units are unlocked (such as Billmen, Arquebusiers, Longbowmen, Halberd Militia and Musketmen) and old units are disabled (such as Norman Serjeants and Miles).

The Disable Real Recruitment option triggers all these events on turn 1. So you instantly have access to all the advanced units as soon as you have the right barracks, but you also lose access to all the old units. The upshot of this is that you will get better units quicker once you build better barracks, but at the start some factions will suffer cos they have lost all their early era units. I think Venice, for example, can only recruit Urban Spear Militia from its castles until it gets fortress level barracks.

If we don't want to go for Real Recruitment, one option is the No Waiting Mod. This mod makes later era units available as you build higher level barracks, so you get both the early and late era units. It can be a bit annoying, cos as soon as you upgrade your barracks you lose the ability to retrain older units, but then that same thing happens with quite a few units in KGCM. The No Waiting Mod can be installed by the fix compilation here:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=378648

This set of fixes is fully save game compatible, and also fixes a CTD on turn 51, so we'll all need it anyway if our game is to get past turn 51. Once you install these fixes you lose the Disable RR option, but can add it back in using the patch here:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...23#post8291123

This will be useful for TWC members who are still in some of the hotseats that were started a while ago with the Disable RR option checked.

I dunno whether we want to restart again with the No Waiting Mod. On the one hand, it won't affect balance, but on the other hand No Waiting will be good for roleplaying if, for example, the English King wants to recruit Longbowmen; the Byzantine Emperor wants Prononai; the Turks want Ottomans and Jannissaires; the Egyptians want Mamluks and so on. It will also reward people who build up their cities and castles faster - when playing with Real Recruitment you generally won't unlock any more units when expanding past the castle level until about turn 50 or 60.

[Nightbringer]

i think we should go for the no waiting mod...