Star Wars: Fall of the Order [Concluded]

[Kagemusha]

Have you ever appeared in the write-ups protecting someone?

No. But if you want for example me to protect anyone and try if i can.I can do it.

[Frozen In Ice]

God Emperor, if you read my one post again you'll see that I didn't say that I have no suspects, but that there are so many people I suspect that I'm not sure who most deserves my vote. At this point in the game you have to prioritize, you can't just go voting willy-nilly. If you want I'll go through the remaining players and tell you whether I suspect them or not, but I haven't done so far because I don't want the Sith to get any ideas. The more suspects the Sith eliminate the better.

Second, I voted for ByzKnight yesterday.

Third, I don't think you should look into the "Mr. Purple Saber" thing too much. I use it because everyone knows what it means and it is a lot easier to say that "that guy that usually uses a purple lightsaber to attack people".

You're right on one account however. I've not been too great at finding scum by behavior, but I am much better at working out the mechanics behind the game. When I do find scum it's usually because of knowledge of the mechanics or because of luck.

[a completely inoffensive name]

This is how the game is going to play out. Kage is going to be the one lynched, and the end of the game will all hinge on if he is Sith or not. If he is Sith, the town still has a chance, if he is Jedi, then we screwed.

I can see this coming a mile away. i'm not saying we should lynch Kage, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how this game is going to play out. People are now throwing names out every where which means the name shouted loudest (Kage) is going to be picked.

[TinCow]

This is how the game is going to play out. Kage is going to be the one lynched, and the end of the game will all hinge on if he is Sith or not. If he is Sith, the town still has a chance, if he is Jedi, then we screwed.

I can see this coming a mile away. i'm not saying we should lynch Kage, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how this game is going to play out. People are now throwing names out every where which means the name shouted loudest (Kage) is going to be picked.

Nice of you to make that kind of prediction, while continuing to stradle the line. Do you have any intention of ever taking a stand on anything in this game?

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Kagemusha

Yes, I'm bowing to paranoia. Arguments have come and gone, flared and fizzled, but simply put, that you didn't go down last night indicates power that is just too dangerous. As Palapatine was too powerful to let live, as are you.

[seireikhaan]

To avoid editing the vote post:

Moderator note- thanks for keeping things more or less civil, folks.

[Beefy187]

One thing makes me question the Kagemusha case. That Force Meld ability that he claimed doesn't seem like it would be something that either the Sith Lord or the Dark One would learn. Now he could have made up the ability so hopefully the force ghosts can confirm that they've seen other instances of that. He also might have heard about that ability and just laid a fake claim on it to cover his tracks. So that makes me wonder, has anyone told him about the ability? If not, then maybe he has it. Maybe it would it would be possible to get him to use it on someone and then confirmed that he used it. Of course, this is all based on the assumption that Force Meld would not be a Dark Side power, which is a potentially dangerous assumption.

Well the Sith Lord was an chancellor and representitive of his people at one point in the movie.
About Seon, I've had couple of conversation with him, and I think his clean.

@pever
Beefy is beefy. Always
pevers been doing more then we think he is. If the town win, pever is the one to thank.

[Nightbringer]

Frankly, I think it is very unlikely that Kage is sith.
The simple fact in my mind is that he displayed that he was a saber master last night, which neither the Sith Lord or the Dark One has done as far as I can tell. The dark one has used force obliterate (or whatever its called) and the Sith Master has been crushing and gripping people.
It is possible kage is an apprentice, but we haven't really seen a Sith killing with a saber at all, as i think it is clear one with his abilities would.

No, I think kage is simply a scummy town. I have stated my opinions about khazaar already, but i would like to support god emperors case on Frozen in Ice.

I don't see much in the use of the term Mr. Purple Lightsaber, but his vote history and behavior (as spelled out by god empereror) do strike me as very scummy.

I am going to keep my vote on khazaar for now, but if more people vote for Frozen in Ice I would much rather see him go than kagemusha, and will change my vote accordingly if I must to make this happen.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Nice of you to make that kind of prediction, while continuing to stradle the line. Do you have any intention of ever taking a stand on anything in this game?

Not really, I figure no one can accuse me of trying to mislead the town if I just keep my mouth shut when it comes to making a stand. I find it funny how people get so annoyed at how I refuse to play the game in a "traditional" way of opening my mouth, and two days later sticking my foot in.

[Seon]

Kagemusha is simply too strong in mastery of the blade to be a Sith Lord or the Dark One (unless of course, one of them is proficient in both skills ). Otherwise, there would have been much more people who fell by the blade.

Instead, I think I am going to gun for... Vote: Frozen in Ice.

[TinCow]

Not really, I figure no one can accuse me of trying to mislead the town if I just keep my mouth shut when it comes to making a stand. I find it funny how people get so annoyed at how I refuse to play the game in a "traditional" way of opening my mouth, and two days later sticking my foot in.

You are very much correct that by not giving an opinion you can never be wrong. However, you also can never be right.

[a completely inoffensive name]

You are very much correct that by not giving an opinion you can never be wrong. However, you also can never be right.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

[Csargo]

Why are we lynching Kage?

[TinCow]

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

A good quote, but inapplicable to this situation. You're an intelligent guy and could contribute significantly if you chose to. You simply choose not to.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

What's the tally count so far?

[Double A]

ACIN/warman/cpt blackadder/ichigo/khaan/double a.

But what can we do at this point.

Only this.

Unvote: Kage, Vote: Warman

Hi.

I really think we need to follow through on Kage. His behavior yesterday was super scummy. He had Force Breath and claims Force Ghost, both of which would be expected for the Dark Lord or the Sith Master. He also survived an attack by three vigilantes, which is consistent with what Ignoramus just said about the Holocron.

Wait, since when was Force Ghost a Sith power? I thought it was Jedi-exclusive.

Thank you pever, there's actual hard evidence against Kage right there.

The above says that Investigation III is Force Persuasion and Investigation IV is Force Far Sight. It also says that Force Far Sight (Investigation IV) is a Jedi GM-only ability. Kage is not the Jedi GM, but he claims to have Investigation IV:



Kage claims a power he cannot have.

I have come to the conclusion of vote: Kage

Please then read again. It says Only Force Far Sight, a Jedi Grandmaster-only ability.IV is force persuasion, so force far sight must be then III

So, the stronger power is a lower tier? That makes toooooootal sense!

This is how the game is going to play out. Kage is going to be the one lynched, and the end of the game will all hinge on if he is Sith or not. If he is Sith, the town still has a chance, if he is Jedi, then we screwed.

I can see this coming a mile away. i'm not saying we should lynch Kage, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how this game is going to play out. People are now throwing names out every where which means the name shouted loudest (Kage) is going to be picked.

It's pretty much we're damned if we do, we're damned if we don't.

I think I remember a game (the vampire one?) where the mafia won because town lynched the unlynchable guy instead of the other one.

[a completely inoffensive name]

A good quote, but inapplicable to this situation. You're an intelligent guy and could contribute significantly if you chose to. You simply choose not to.

True. But that is my playing style. I don't give away my thoughts and I operate to the best of my ability independently so the factions within the town don't try to put a halt to my plan.

[pevergreen]

Double A: Thank you for that post, really, thank you.

Force Ghost is not a jedi exclusive power. I think it is likely that all sith have it at this point.

@ All , I am surprised that it seems like most are against revealing information at this stage of the game... True the enemy may have some use to it, but so may the town. it's not like it is one way and we are not in a privileged situation. Information regarding Ignoramus and chaotix should be made public imho.

More is being revealed, yet knowing the abilities of a player is more useful than you might think.

ACIN: Its not a loss if Kage dies, its a loss if the town doesnt co-ordinate and the vigilantes don't stop killing as they please.

[Cecil XIX]

Clearer our minds must be if we are to find the true villains behind this plot. If a majority of you vote in the allotted time, I will accept your decision. If a majority of you do not vote in the allotted time, I will slow the ship's orbit and give you another 24 hours. Remember that you will be exhausted by the time the discussion is over, if I have to do this. Try to reach a decision before then.

Emphasis mine. I don't think it's a coincidence that this last night went worse than the previous two.

[dcmort93]

Force Ghost is not a jedi exclusive power. I think it is likely that all sith have it at this point.

So then how do we know that either you, cecil or beefy are not sith ghosts?

[TinCow]

True. But that is my playing style. I don't give away my thoughts and I operate to the best of my ability independently so the factions within the town don't try to put a halt to my plan.

Good. So long as you are actively working towards your personal victory (whatever that is), you're doing a good job. Ignore people like me that may give you flak for your methods, we're just frustrated because your style makes our style harder. That's our problem, not yours.

So then how do we know that either you, cecil or beefy are not sith ghosts?

Alignment is revealed upon death. In the first game, Sith Force Ghosts were identified as such. I see no reason to believe it would be different in this game.

[Choxorn]

Didn't Ignoramus himself have Force Breath and didn't he himself survive a few vig attempts?

Just one or two, I think.

Also, I think it's most likely that he's a Dark Jedi or a non-Dark Jedi. If a Sith can become GM, the game is broken.

why is that? alternative is that town is wiped out. It doesn't take a genius to tell that if the 6(at best) anti town devides their kills then they would end the town in two nights from now on . Town is really close to losing this game, so if town is even to still be a player then the vigilantes must attack those most likely to be anti town.

Not entirely true. People aren't always killed when they are attacked.

Why would i waste my time pretending i am someone able to investigate, when as Sith i could just say i cant scan people and concentrate on killing people. That would be absolutely crappy tactics for mafia. I am now the third eldest master on this ship and one no one can kill me quite easily. You can lynch me and i cant act as force ghost afterwards helping town ofcourse, but if the Sith are as hard to kill as they supposedly are. Who is going to get rid of them, if you lynch all the powerful pro town people? Also Tincow i dont get where you are getting that i am focused on killing when i havent made a single vigilante attack.

Unless the Sith can investigate, and giving those results to the townies doesn't harm you, as they're largely useless, and it gives you townie cred.

Actually, I wonder whether or not Kagemusha's guilty. Most of the kills done so far by Sith Lord and the Dark One relied on force powers, or at least I think. Kagemusha seems to be a master of blades, unlike anything witnessed so far. If the Sith Lord or the Dark One had this much skill with the blade, then surely he would have used it more often.

I guess Force Powers are just better at killing people, and thus the Sith/Dark One use them more often than sabers, even if they are proficient with sabers.

FOS: God Emperor

He is dead.

A point of interest: Why has there been no more revives of sith?

Maybe it's a one-use or limited-use power.

Also, did anyone, aside from Kagemusha, ever say they had Force Meld?

[pevergreen]

So then how do we know that either you, cecil or beefy are not sith ghosts?

As TC said, alignment revealed on death.

I started with force meld.

The jedi holocron gave us the description of the revive power, it mentioned nothing about it being one use or any limits. But it makes sense, since it can only be used by the dark one, and he has to kill anyone he revives eventually anyway.

[Frozen In Ice]

Well it seems like no one wants to test out Kagemusha's Force Meld power, and that it isn't a sign of his innocence.

What I am going to do however, is vote: Nightbringer His last post struck me as off. I find it strange he would much rather see me off'ed over Kagemusha, but at this point is keeping his vote on khazzar, which is only going to help Kagemusha get lynched. How come you won't vote for me unless there is a bandwagon Nightbringer? Is that part of your attempt to blend in perhaps?

Also another thing:

Yes, see at the colour of my defensive saber. And "she" was searching me out.

So we know that a Sith's defensive saber can be any color, but do we know if their offensive saber has to be red? If that were the case we could clear a lot of the vigilantes from being Sith.

[Double A]

Double A: Thank you for that post, really, thank you.

Force Ghost is not a jedi exclusive power. I think it is likely that all sith have it at this point.



More is being revealed, yet knowing the abilities of a player is more useful than you might think.

ACIN: Its not a loss if Kage dies, its a loss if the town doesnt co-ordinate and the vigilantes don't stop killing as they please.

Yay, I'm appreciated!

Judging from the rest of your comment, it would probably be a good idea to send you and Beef Monster a role reveal. You want it?

Well it seems like no one wants to test out Kagemusha's Force Meld power, and that it isn't a sign of his innocence.

What I am going to do however, is vote: Nightbringer His last post struck me as off. I find it strange he would much rather see me off'ed over Kagemusha, but at this point is keeping his vote on khazzar, which is only going to help Kagemusha get lynched. How come you won't vote for me unless there is a bandwagon Nightbringer? Is that part of your attempt to blend in perhaps?

Also another thing:

So we know that a Sith's defensive saber can be any color, but do we know if their offensive saber has to be red? If that were the case we could clear a lot of the vigilantes from being Sith.

It's a shame we can't test out Force Meld, but quite honestly, there isn't enough time to test it out.

[a completely inoffensive name]

ACIN: Its not a loss if Kage dies, its a loss if the town doesnt co-ordinate and the vigilantes don't stop killing as they please.

It is a loss because if Kage is who he says he is, then we have probably lost our best saber fighter. The only way for us to win is if we lynch the Sith master and the Dark One and have someone kill the apprentice. The apprentice at this point is probably also a Jedi master so we would need someone strong to kill him. If the master dies, what is to stop the apprentice from being the new master and recruiting someone again?

[Double A]

But Kage couldn't be the grandmaster, he'd need a full extra night to use investigation IV.

[Yaropolk]

Ignoramus is the Grandmaster

[Double A]

[God Emperor]

First a little help to townies and host

Kagemusha, (8): Tincow, Ignoramus, Beefy, Cecil, Chaotix, Diamondeye, Yaseikhaan, Double A
Khazar: Nightbringer,
Warman: Khazar
Chaotix: Kagemusha
Frozen in Ice: Seon
Abstain: Warman

God Emperor, if you read my one post again you'll see that I didn't say that I have no suspects, but that there are so many people I suspect that I'm not sure who most deserves my vote. At this point in the game you have to prioritize, you can't just go voting willy-nilly. If you want I'll go through the remaining players and tell you whether I suspect them or not, but I haven't done so far because I don't want the Sith to get any ideas. The more suspects the Sith eliminate the better.

Second, I voted for ByzKnight yesterday.

Third, I don't think you should look into the "Mr. Purple Saber" thing too much. I use it because everyone knows what it means and it is a lot easier to say that "that guy that usually uses a purple lightsaber to attack people".

You're right on one account however. I've not been too great at finding scum by behavior, but I am much better at working out the mechanics behind the game. When I do find scum it's usually because of knowledge of the mechanics or because of luck.

My point about having 'too many suspects' is about the same as having none, when the result is you don't reach a conclusion or give arguments for/against.
Perhaps there isn't anything to the 'mr. purple saber' , but I can't help but noticing it when it seems obvious the sith is spending a good deal of time finding out how the game works, and keeps track on every night action.
I don't know about the last part, there is no meta gaming involved in my previous post. I don't know you very well to say the least :p . Anyway there wasn't much to answer, but I just felt like giving a reply