[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[Greyblades]

What? He thought I meant Ridley would become unlynchable until the game ends if samus dies whereas I'm saying he'll win the game if it happens.
As for the ends I'm pretty sure game over is a different end to having pizza taunting us for the rest of the game... Actually that sounds scarier than game over.

[Ironside]

What? He thought I meant Ridley would become unlynchable until the game ends if samus dies whereas I'm saying he'll win the game if it happens.
As for the ends I'm pretty sure game over is a different end to having pizza taunting us for the rest of the game... Actually that sounds scarier than game over.

They are in principle the same. If he's unkillable, you might as well end the game. Giving an extreme penalty for lucky and/or good townie play.

[Greyblades]

Still, it's a worrying thought.

[ULC]

Still, it's a worrying thought.

No, it's not, because it's not in you're power to change that. As town, you must eliminate the mafia, which are Samus and Dark Samus. These are also ATPG's victory conditions. Ergo, to win you have to fullfill ATPG's VC. Which by your logic, means the town would have never been able to win in the first place.

[Greyblades]

...Are you being serious? Firstly its a theory that's all. Secondly no its not impossible to win; all they would have to do is kill pizza before killing samus. Thirdly yeah its in my power, The fact that your even disputing this means your actually listening to me so I'm making at least some impact on the game, also I'm on the replacement list and there have been afew people inactive so its likely I'll be back in the game in a turn or two. Next time you want to tell me what I can and cant do; think about it first.

[Winston Hughes]

@All
Anyone else received the pizzaguy blackmail treatment tonight?

@Beskar
Do you really want to do this publicly?

[ByzantineKnight]

FoS: Winston Hughes, Greyblades, Jarema

Not that I want Pizza alive by any means but these stuck out to me as the weirdest/scummiest reasons for wanting him dead

[Renata]

@All
Anyone else received the pizzaguy blackmail treatment tonight?

@Beskar
Do you really want to do this publicly?

Please do. Some of us need the entertainment, whatever it is.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@All
Anyone else received the pizzaguy blackmail treatment tonight?

You know, Seon received the blackmail treatment, and that lead to me trying to save his while the rest of you wanted him dead. And then what happened? Oh yeah, that's right, Dark Samus died.

I love how forceful, yet obviously helpful and productive, behavior is now scummy.

And yeah, if you ask around, you'll understand I've threatened a bunch of people in exchange for information; the alternative is randomly killing, and not caring what the result is.

I did the exact same thing in.... a lot of other games, really. This is standard operating procedure.

ATPG, some day you're going to have to explain to me how you always get so many people to believe your ridiculous role claims.

When the game ends, I'll accept your apology. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

I usually try to make my lies, you know, believable. This role is ridiculous, yet extremely satisfying. Goes down smooth, great flavor.

Plus he makes you feel like you're being mean to him when you act skeptical.

Ordinarily I'd say yeah, I try to play such head games, but at the time I was frustrated that none of my suspects were good enough for anyone, and all my moves were being criticized. Give me something positive to work with.

I must confess that ATPG is the player that I am affraid of the most. No-one is so frightful to me as he is. So, when it turns out that he is a SK of a sort, I just shiver

Listen Jarema, I hear what you're saying, and I want to calm your fears. Please click the spoiler for more.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

RRRROOOOOAAAAAARRR!!

I noticed some complaints about my methods in the preceding posts; specifically threatening in private.

It's what I did with Seon, to positive effect, even for Seon himself. Kind of ESPECIALLY for Seon himself.

Honestly, Winston should be happy I'm asking him who he is before I just blithely kill him. Do you guys want me to kill your investigator, protector, or hero roles?

I'm just asking.

Now, if you want me to drop that, I will. I don't see why I should, but if it's how you want me to operate, with one wing tied behind my back, okay.... this is your show, tell me what to do.

Now, I want a response to the question: Do you want me to try to avoid hitting useful people, or people with stories I can easily confirm, or would you prefer me to kill randomly?

I could just abstain from killing at all, I gave that option, and several people have suggested they'd actually prefer I act as a vigilante here. Please decide, one thing that is frustrating is I'll work hard for you, but a couple dozen bosses with different strategic demands makes for an unhappy and unproductive Pizza. Please have one clear objective for me, and then ask me to do that.

[ULC]

...Are you being serious? Firstly its a theory that's all. Secondly no its not impossible to win; all they would have to do is kill pizza before killing samus. Thirdly yeah its in my power, The fact that your even disputing this means your actually listening to me so I'm making at least some impact on the game, also I'm on the replacement list and there have been afew people inactive so its likely I'll be back in the game in a turn or two. Next time you want to tell me what I can and cant do; think about it first.

I'm sorry but what? I wasn't specifically talking about you, but okay, here we go...

Pizza needs to kill Samus and Dark Samus, so do you. Thus, goals seem intially compatible, but Pizza claims neutrality, and thus you claim he will win when both Samus's are dead. He does this when he either votes for the lynch of a Samus or kills them personally, which is has a high chance of happening simply if Pizza votes for whomever gets lynched every round. Pizza has to do nothing that a normal townie wouldn't.

You're basically saying that the only way the town could ever win is if they managed to find ATPG before Dark Samus and Samus, whom the town knows are the antagonists and thus are to be lynched and where the town almost always kills scum when they find them. So the town NEVER had any realistic chance of winning, ever, by your logic. Do you not see how this is entirely USELESS to consider? Think first yourself, before you prove that you aren't trustworthy.

[ByzantineKnight]

Care to elaborate on that?

The post I quoted but also the posts leading up to it, they were random and erratic, it just struck the wrong chord...

Pizza needs to kill Samus and Dark Samus, so do you. Thus, goals seem intially compatible, but Pizza claims neutrality, and thus you claim he will win when both Samus's are dead. He does this when he either votes for the lynch of a Samus or kills them personally, which is has a high chance of happening simply if Pizza votes for whomever gets lynched every round. Pizza has to do nothing that a normal townie wouldn't.

You're basically saying that the only way the town could ever win is if they managed to find ATPG before Dark Samus and Samus, whom the town knows are the antagonists and thus are to be lynched and where the town almost always kills scum when they find them. So the town NEVER had any realistic chance of winning, ever, by your logic. Do you not see how this is entirely USELESS to consider? Think first yourself, before you prove that you aren't trustworthy.

EDIT:

Great to hear, small update; pizza is claiming to be ridley and is supposedly a serial killer role that needs to kill 2 people .

Oh, I definitely caught that part but who wants him dead more than Samus's team right now?

Interesting, I was just reading the mafia quicktopic from Star Wars (posts 62-65)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

And please stop using they when talking about the town, it sounds like you're not a part of it...
This one will kill you if they get a case on you later on. I think editing that one away the next day, when this part is old is best. The late editing time is a sure scummy sign, but the "they" is more obvious and almost as strong.
Didn't notice it without the extra pointing out by ATPG, so there's hope that it will go unnoticed for now.

Mmm.

I'll refrain from making such comments (neutrality after all) but that was one example where I couldn't help but giggle.

I'm notorious for picking on a certain aspect of that post, in any game where I see that aspect from any post. But if you don't know what it is, and they don't know what it is, and no one has mentioned it, you're fine.

Just a thought

[Greyblades]

I'm sorry but what? I wasn't specifically talking about you, but okay, here we go...

Pizza needs to kill Samus and Dark Samus, so do you. Thus, goals seem intially compatible, but Pizza claims neutrality, and thus you claim he will win when both Samus's are dead. He does this when he either votes for the lynch of a Samus or kills them personally, which is has a high chance of happening simply if Pizza votes for whomever gets lynched every round. Pizza has to do nothing that a normal townie wouldn't.

You're basically saying that the only way the town could ever win is if they managed to find ATPG before Dark Samus and Samus, whom the town knows are the antagonists and thus are to be lynched and where the town almost always kills scum when they find them. So the town NEVER had any realistic chance of winning, ever, by your logic. Do you not see how this is entirely USELESS to consider? Think first yourself, before you prove that you aren't trustworthy.

All I have been saying has been under the assumption that my theory is correct, I do not think that it is the only possible outcome nor even the most likely. Yet you seem to be under the impression that I believe my theory is infallible and the truth. In this case I reitorate what I said earlier: "it's a worrying thought." Thats all it was; a thought, a "what if he doesnt turn out to be telling the complete truth, what if he's lying?", A lie which, if so, you by the way seem to be swallowing hook line and sinker.

Oh and as for myself I am a dead townie. I cant be thought of as untrustworthy because it is fully proven that I am a town. I will admit I might not be helpful, I damn well am not infallible but trustworthy enough to not intentionally hinder the town? Call me arrogant but I think I have reason to claim that at least.

My response to the logic part will come in a minute, I have to calm down.

Edit: Ok, happy thoughts, happy thoughts.
You're basically saying that the only way the town could ever win is if they managed to find ATPG before Dark Samus and Samus,
I never said that it was a good theory but is it realy unreasonable for the town to get the psychopath before the mafia? Besides I might be wrong, maybe ridley would just fly off not thinking the town is worth the effort of killing, maybe he toys with the crew, I just thought killing you all seemed like the most likely.

whom the town knows are the antagonists
True.

and thus are to be lynched and where the town almost always kills scum when they find them.
In a rubicon style game its less likely, we're considering not killing a self confessed SK aren't we?

So the town NEVER had any realistic chance of winning, ever, by your logic.
All they had to do was kill one guy before finishing the game to win. Shouldnt be that hard with all the night kills flying around. Heck we havent even got proof that atpg wasn't bluffing about being NK immune.

Do you not see how this is entirely USELESS to consider?
No, I have encountered joker roles being issued by veteran hosts, such a role isnt inpossible.