The Campground [Concluded]

[johnhughthom]

Vote: God Emperor

Didn't make a joke about you in this thread! ;)

You'll need to unvote first Visorslash, this is just an extension, not a revote like last time.

[Visor]

Thanks.

Unvote; Vote: God Emperor

[GeneralHankerchief]

Voting closed.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Clinton, Iowa
Day 4

After four miserable, muddy days, it seemed that a consensus was at last starting to emerge amongst the campers, although "survivors" would probably at this point be a better descriptor of their status. Instead of having votes haphazardly flung every which way, it seemed that the survivors were finally realizing the desperation of their situation and exercising greater concentration. Camps, of the metaphorical variety, were starting to form. Voting blocs emerged. When once there were nine or even ten viable candidates, now there were only three.

Of course now, the biggest problem was breaking the deadlock between the three: Chaotix, God Emperor, and Scienter. All three candidates seemed viable. All three seemed to have cases, and at the same time the arguments for each of their guilt had some holes in it. It was a combination of these factors that had voting continue for a much longer period than usual, deeper into the night. Over time, each faction seemed to gain and lose steam. Coherent arguments were being made.

It was almost as if... people were actually working together.

In the end, while this new strategy may have been good for the campers as a whole as they faced this doom, it was most certainly not good for God Emperor, who ended up as the clear "winner" after the marathon voting session. Immediately starting to twitch, God Emperor looked around every which way, closely marking the positions of all of the logs and all of the scattered fires going around the campground. At the very least, he was not going to be taken by surprise, definitely so since the sun wasn't going to go down.

Growing more and more frazzled, God Emperor started staring around even more wildly, which took all of the other campers aback as they slowly started to edge away from him. "Well?" he cried out after some minutes, a crazed look in his eye, "What's it gonna be? Have at it, then! Finish me off! I SAID FINISH ME!!!!!!"

Nobody moved.

"So what now??!" God Emperor said. "What's the matter, can't kill anybody if you can't take them by surprise? You know what, all of you are - *gack!*"

God Emperor went down to the ground, groaning and clutching his chest. It had turned out that all of this excitement was simply too much for his heart, and he literally died of fright.

Day 4 tally:
God Emperor: 6 (TheLastDays, Csargo, B_Ray, JHT, ATPG, Visorslash)
Chaotix: 2 (God Emperor, Scienter)
Scienter: 2 (Andres, khaan)
ATPG: 1 (Chaotix)

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Still alive: 10
Yaseikhaan
Visorslash
B_Ray
Csargo
Andres
johnhughthom
Scienter
Askthepizzaguy
TheLastDays
Chaotix

Killed:
Renata
robbiecon
Reenk Roink

Executed:
Who am i?
Zack
Diamondeye
God Emperor

It is now Night 4. This phase will last for approximately 24 hours.

[Andres]

Those last few posts from God Emperor sounded pretty scummy.

EDIT: also, this constant bickering between ATPG and Chaotix is starting to bother me. Both mafiosi hating each other in the public thread is not an unusual scum tactic.

[Renata]

They did, actually.

I finally have an opinion. Well, getting there anyway.

[Diamondeye]

They did, actually.

I finally have an opinion. Well, getting there anyway.

Coherent with "Scienter is GE's scum partner"?

[Chaotix]

Those last few posts from God Emperor sounded pretty scummy.

EDIT: also, this constant bickering between ATPG and Chaotix is starting to bother me. Both mafiosi hating each other in the public thread is not an unusual scum tactic.

Oh, man, I only wish I could get to be mafia with ATPG, because I know we would make it look so genuine.

Unfortunately, I've never had the pleasure.

[God Emperor]

Oh well.. I can still haunt the thread ^_^Although you guys seem awfully sure of yourself !

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh, man, I only wish I could get to be mafia with ATPG, because I know we would make it look so genuine.

Unfortunately, I've never had the pleasure.

It really would be a pleasure, sir. Maybe someday.

Man, this totally doesn't sound like WIFOM or anything like that. There's no chance either me or you will get any votes at all tomorrow. Nope.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Those last few posts from God Emperor sounded pretty scummy.

Irrelevant, now that he's dead. Kicking a corpse when he's down? What for, oh fellow blueberry?

EDIT: also, this constant bickering between ATPG and Chaotix is starting to bother me. Both mafiosi hating each other in the public thread is not an unusual scum tactic.

I predict that you and Chaotix are scum, actually.

The point of the line you just dropped like a big fake dooky, is not only that you'll be voting for me shortly, but also distancing yourself from Chaotix, so when I inevitably think you're scum, I also don't think Chaotix is scum.

And so, you and Chaotix are now my top suspects. Thanks for assisting me.

Vote : Chaotix

He talks too much

DE: Yaseikhaan, DE, Csargo, Reenk, TLD

Chaotix: ATPG, JHT, Visor, Andres.


Distancing tactic. DE is still in the lead.

DE (re)votes for Chaotix, Andres switches to DE, which is nonsensical from any perspective.

Your user title is a lie. Liars must die.

Unvote; Vote: Diamondeye

He never intended to vote for Chaotix. He wants to distance himself from Chaotix.

He's done it at least twice this game, to act like he wants Chaotix to die, but no.

[Andres]

Since when are we supposed to post only relevant posts in a mafia game?

And how is having an opinion about another player, dead or alive, irrelevant? Say X was lynched round 1. In round 6, in retrospect and after re-reading, X sounded really, really scummy and there's a relation with Y, who is still alive in the final round. The analysis of X is important then.

So, saying that expressing an opinion about a dead player is irrelevant is nonsense.

The Chaotix and DE thing; as you must have seen, I made a big post in capital letters to complain about silence being broken. Voting Chaotix, because "he talks too much", clearly builds further on that joke post. You will also have noted that my activity in that period of the game was very, very low. It should be obvious that I really didn't have a clue, so I switched to DE for no other reason than the fact that he happened to be online and said he lied.

You're trying to make a case out of nothing.

[Reenk Roink]

Irrelevant, now that he's dead. Kicking a corpse when he's down? What for, oh fellow blueberry?

I didn't like this either initially, but reading it once more, there is the possibility given the game mechanics of no reveals that he is trying to determine the guilt of one already killed, which is understandable and not actually irrelevant.

I predict that you and Chaotix are scum, actually.

The point of the line you just dropped like a big fake dooky, is not only that you'll be voting for me shortly, but also distancing yourself from Chaotix, so when I inevitably think you're scum, I also don't think Chaotix is scum.

And so, you and Chaotix are now my top suspects. Thanks for assisting me.

This is a bit contrived, but I can see where the connection would be, so this might be worth going for a bit. I don't think it's any stronger than Andres pointing out the obvious bickering between you and Chaotix as a screen either though.

I think Chaotix being at the center of these two accusations is pretty interesting though. At this point (could change after the kill is posted) I would lynch Chaotix even though I think both cases aren't great, because they are some of the only somewhat explicit cases right now, also because of his centrality to both of them, and I'm not sure on this but I think he voted for me this game and we can't leave any of those type of people alive.

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You're trying to make a case out of nothing.

I think your refutation of his case is decent, so I'm wondering why you make a case on him out of nothing as well? Granted, Atpg hasn't tried to refute the case like you have. He has basically resorted to sarcastic dismissals of it, maybe implicitly stating that such an obvious joking link shouldn't be taken seriously?

In the second quote, you're guilty. You're also very serious. And, you're serious for basically the first time in that game.

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But he could counter that he did not X in a very similar Y situation with a Z alignment. And I'm betting there is an example of that out there. Furthermore, as Andres has pointed out (later), your behavior in this game has taken the turn of your previous X behavior in similar situation Y with Z alignment. What does this show? Almost nothing by itself. Even tied in with a preexisting case it reeks of being forced. Not really a good sign, either for a townie or mafia.

Let's focus on the cases dealing mainly and mostly with in game actions, like we have so far. It seems to be the best analytical method (I can't believe I used the positively connotated superlative best to modify analytical methods - anyway do note operative word analytical, I don't wish to imply at all that it is the best method in general).

There's also much hypocrisy in your post.

Hypocrisy requires that the wideranging milieu of the posts in question are similar. Maybe Atpg won't see it that way?

While I made just one joke vote on Chaotix, you have been at his throat for several rounds now, yet last round, you unvoted him and switched to G_E. Odd, seeing how you wanted Chaotix lynched so bad for a long while now.

If there's a connection between scum buddies, than it's between you and Chaotix.

This is a good reply. You should have made your implied accusations of connection a bit more explicit though. I also think you should have pushed the Chaotix unvote thing further.

But I must ask, Atpg seemed to imply that you unovted Chaotix for DE when it was kind of close (though DE was still in the lead). What was the situation like when he unvoted Chaotix for DE? More tight?

Accusing me of hypocrisy? Andres, Andres, Andres.... I am a townie. I can do anything I like, and it doesn't make me guilty. Hypocrisy is the very weakest accusation one can level against someone. It's a mafia game, where we lie, bluff, gambit, and kill. And townies lynch the mafia for being murderers. And we accuse people for accusing people. And we have already been over this so many times in so many games.

I agree that a charge of hypocrisy is fairly weak when trying to adduce guilt, but I think Andres was crying hypocrisy in your case against him, which (as he sees it though not entirely unreasonably) is similar to a case that can be applied to you (and which he has tried to apply).

The hypocrisy charge seems to be used as a defensive stratagem against your accusation rather than an accusatory method. Fairly good response by Andres I'd say.

I carefully mentioned that there may be a connection between two scumbuddies, and you immediately jump at me with walls of text, attacking me from all angles. What you are not doing is addressing my point. In fact, you completely ignore it.

Attack is the best defense, eh?

I did note that defensiveness as well. It should be kept in mind, but nervous flinching is hardly damning and shouldn't be used as such at this point. We have a lot more to go on.

Somewhat off topic: attack is the best defense. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORxD2KFQ4oo

You can throw walls of text at me as much as you want, the fact remains that you have been focusing on Chaotix for a long time, yet when the time comes to vote, you withdraw.

Two possiblities:

a) you're connected;
b) you wanted to keep your scapegoat alive.

FINALLY ANDRES. Could you not have made this clear earlier so it would look a lot worse when evasion was employed?

I think it's b) and you're scum. Together with Scienter. The connection between you and Chaotix is too obvious to be a connection between scumbuddies. The connection between you and Scienter is much more subtle. In the previous round, you flattered me (scumtell) by saying my gut is golden, yet somehow you ended up voting God Emperor.

What the ****? K, maybe thatreaction was too strong, but you seem to be throwing away the entire Chaotix connection but still using it as a guilt indicator. This might work IF YOU HAD ACTUALLY SHOWN US WHAT THE CONNECTION TO SCIENTER WAS. So do that for us now Andres, please.

You're certainly demonstrating such, both in this game and the other one I quoted you from.

Your tactic is the same. Attack the case. Go in with questions. Go on the offensive.

Attack the case, because even if the case is right, you can try to undermine it, by discrediting it.

It doesn't matter if the case is correct IF people no longer have any faith in it ...

Are you accusing him of hypocrisy as a defensive tactic also? BOTH OF YOU DO SOMETHING NEW!

Yes, but when I voted for Chaotix, I put him INTO a tie, allowing an unknown tiebreaker event to possibly sudden death lynch "my partner".

You, on the other hand, have never actually placed Chaotix in any danger whatsoever.

This is what I wanted to see from you earlier. Andres, this is a good reply, how will you respond?

I just said I don't think Chaotix is your partner in the post right above yours'

It's ATPG and Scienter.

Why are YOU getting evasive now Andres? I want to see your response to Atpg's differentiation between his connection to Chaotix and yours.

Up until now, you were attacking hard and saying (some) things worth listening to, whereas Atpg was generally in sarcastic and evasive mode. Atpg finally pulls out a good punch and you have nothing to say about it? This is bad.

By the way, still haven't elaborated on this subtle connection between Atpg and Scienter.

And above that, still, you say something else, which is precisely what I'm referring to.

That second statement was obviously an earlier statement than the first, which he later took back in an attempt to elaborate his most current case. I don't understand why you would quote them together? To make Andres look bad and contradictory?

You could have pointed out that he really never made much of a case against Scienter instead...

Wait, what? I thought Chaotix and I were scumbuddies? How are Pizza and I connected?

I want to know this too. Maybe it is legit, who knows? But the only connection I can remember is that you and Atpg voted closely a round or two earlier. That is QUITE subtle indeed Andres , can you elaborate?

You're still guilty.

I can fully understand being tired of responding to Atpg after a while, and while the post you quoted and then summarized as blah blah blah might not be deserving of anything, his earlier post about the Chaotix connection certainly was.

All you've seem to do is respond to Atpg's off-hand statements and weaker arguments. YOU are the one (at this stage) who has completely avoided the main point.

I mean, it's not like his post was unanswerable. When reading it, I immediately came up with a response suggesting plausible deniability. I'm just wondering why you didn't.

Why are you so eager not to defend yourself and only going for the attack?

He did defend himself though. Why aren't you responding instead of continually attacking him now?

It's not unusual for a scummy Pizza to start sounding frustrated when being pressured.

Oh god. It's not unusual for Reenk to start sounding frustrated when Andres doesn't respond to the most important part of the last 30 posts and all of this bluster and banter gets thrown around.

By the way, since you seem to be implying that Atpg in a way consistent of him being mafia, I've personally seen him do the same kind of sarcasm and jokey schtick as town when he is pressured.

I do wish that instead of doing that, he gutted you for your evasion.